Poll: Satanism

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I myself am a Lucifarian. (Well sort of. I'm really a Gnostic of the golden path. But Lucifarianism resonates more with me than Satanism) Lucifarianism is not the same as Satanist. Satanist are really Bayophites (sp?) ie. worshipers of carnal instinct. Lucifarians are worshipers of truth. The whole point of Lucifarianism is to enhance oneself through understanding, dismissing denial and ignorance. Therefore it's one mandate is never lie to yourself or others, which is very similer to the Satanist method of always act true to ones own desires. The differnce is in its approach. Bayophites act upon the physical while Lucifarians act upon the metaphysical.

Here are the two Tarot cards that represent both sides of the issue for reference.

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I'm not going to go into the details of these two cards. If you want to know more, look it up.

The important thing to remember here is that there is no divine worship in either concept, they are just that: concepts. I think that anyone who actually worships Satan the being, or any other deity for that matter, deserve a lightning bolt to the face to wake them up.

 

[SaKenyi]

Oooh I though this was a thread about santa.

no, that would be santanism.


i think all religions are stupid. all that religion has brought upon mankind is conflicts and hate. but if we have to accept that some people believe in magical elves, then i think it doesnt matter what kind of elves. therefore i dont think that any kind of religion is worse than other.

Opposed to what?
Race?
Profession?
Gender?
Aesthetics?
Class?

Humans fight over everything, and trying to straw man an entire train of thought sure as hell isn't going to bring peace.

I'll have to agree here.

It's true that religion has caused many, many conflicts over the years, but to be quite honest, it wasn't the religion itself that made it all happen, it was (and still is) the interpretation of humankind.

You can say that religion is more trouble than it's worth. But try to look at it from a different perspective. Thousands and thousands of people find comfort in religion, they feel soothed by it, they feel safe and they have something where they can lay down their pain and sorrows. Religion does alot of good, but we people tend to look at it from the negative side 99% of the time. Always the murdering 'in the name of god' or those terrorists doing it 'for Allah'. Nowadays,the majority of the people's opinion on religion is purely based on a small fraction of the practitioners of said religion, usually the extremists.

So, wrapping this post up, I'd have to say that if the human race would ditch religion, I'm pretty sure that it won't solve ANY of our problems.

And oh, yeah, about Satanism. My personal opinion on it is that nowadays its just a commercial, against-the-system religion. There ought to be nothing wrong with the old Satanism, but nowadays it's just seen as 'that religion for the people who wear too many black'.

 

[Gigano]

It having neither the societal importance nor the ability to do harm much larger religions have, I'm pretty indifferent towards it.

Whatever rocks your boat, as long as it doesn't entail force or harm to others. Doesn't seem to be the case here, possible because its dogmas are somewhat more modern and progressive than all that Ancient Middle East style Abrahamic stuff, but if nothing else because it doesn't have any real power behind it.

So neutral.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Satanism is a cult, not a religion.

OT: I think about Satanism the same thing I think about every religion: Needless worship of a nonexistent being. Religion exists only to comfort one's self, because people love to believe there's always someone there to help them out.

Personally I rely on beings that occupy the same plane of existence as me.

 

[TheEvilCheese]

Theistic satanism just seems like any other organised religion (In other words, not good).
LaVeyan satanism, while childish, is about living for the now; not worrying about the afterlife. While I don't agree with many of it's principles, I do like that one.

 

[babinro]

I just don't like that the religion openly supports acts of hate or revenge against ones enemies. It comes across as childish and would probably lead to religious wars if it were among the primary religions in the world.

 

[michiehoward]

I tend to dislike organised religion in general.

Funny fact that upside down cross that Satanists use to show that they are against god is actually one of Christianity's most holy symbols. It refers to St. Peter being crucified upside down. Don't believe me then what's it doing here.

yep that's the popes chair and the reason that cross is upside down is because the upside down cross is more respectful to god apparently.

Dumbass Satanists.

http://www.shasta.com/sphaws/invertedcross.html

Yeah Peter was to be crucified but he asked to crucified upside down because he thought he was not worthy to die as Christ did.

And secondly Atheistic Satanism...oxymoron

Couldn't agree more about Satanist taking the "cool" parts of Judeo-Christian religion. Couldn't even be original like the whack Scientology.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Why is there no option for "I don't give a toss one way or the other", because that's my stake on it. Essentially, to each their own, and if they don't bother me, I won't bother them.

 

[Venereus]

Is the Santa thread ready yet? Can you link me too it, please?

Seriously, why are we giving satanism attention?

 

[TilMorrow]

I think the poll doesn't have enough options.

Pfft, Satanism? Blood Magic is all the rage these days or Chaos... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Oooh I though this was a thread about santa.

I love you for that comment. Wanna go and make a thread about santa?

If you do you will have my post.

 

[dogenzakaminion]

Screw the Wikipedia links, I read the Bible itself. It's on my bookshelf downstairs. Pretty wierd stuff but nothing "wrong". It's about worshiping yourself, being the best human you can be primarily for yourself, but also toward others. Those that you deem worthy at least. There's no belief of any higher power, so whether it qualifies as a religion is debatable, but it basically says love yourself, love others, and don't be a dick. Unless someone is a dick you first. I respect that attitude. Though there is a lot of stuff about meditation to enlightenment of self and spells and "summoning the core of your power to vanquish your enemies" stuff which is weird.

This only applies to LaVeysist Satanism though. At least to my knowledge. There are so many cults and sekts and different ways of being a satanist, just like other religions.

 

[Togs]

Well for one I know that Satanism and devil worship are 2 different things- devil worship is kinda the antilog to christianity whereas satanism is more about celebrating/fetishizing the more base elements of human nature.

personally I see minimal differences between it and other faiths, but this one seems to say its ok to be worthless and selfish which I find morally abhorrent.

 

[NLS]

Well, you don't get anything from being a satanist, it's not like you get your special place in hell when you die or something. Like most religions, not a necessary part of life for normal people.

 

[Dimensional Vortex]

Oooh I though this was a thread about santa.

no, that would be santanism.


i think all religions are stupid. all that religion has brought upon mankind is conflicts and hate. but if we have to accept that some people believe in magical elves, then i think it doesnt matter what kind of elves. therefore i dont think that any kind of religion is worse than other.

Religion itself is fine, the terrible things religion causes is bad. If you could have reasonable people who have religious views but don't kill or waste their lives on it, would you agree that its fine and it gives people hope? Unless of course you're an egomaniac that thinks your opinion should be law, which I doubt you are.

Really Satanism is just another religion if they don't hurt, kill or enforce their beliefs on other people it would be fine. The only downside would be how extremely uncomfortable people would be around a self proclaimed Satanist. Although I have to agree with a previous comment, it is like Scientology in the way that it was made for commercial reasons.

 

[Nickolai77]

Satanism is a religion tailored to be the bi-polar opposite of Christianity, whilst also taking on some of the "cool" aspects of Christianity as well as taking on some of the myths that Christianity created about Witches in the early modern era. In some way's, it's an off-shoot of Christianity, whilst not being Christian at the same time, ironically enough.

 

[wooty]

I always thought that people who called themselves satanists were just looking for attention or trying to be cool. At least most of the people I know always said it to try and be edgy and stand out from the crowd, never impressed me to be honest.

 

[DuctTapeJedi]

I was just watching some of the older LRRs on their site, and I felt this one was relavent to the thread.