Poll: Sentate Committee passed "Internet Kill switch" Bill

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RhombusHatesYou

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Watch how many people watch Porn or Research For A Cure For Cancer?
I've always thought they should combine distributed processing projects with porn, resulting in a DPP program that shows you porn and uses all your spare processing cycles. Win-Win.
 
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Mackheath said:
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Yeah, its quite a blow for the freedom of speech part of the Bill of Rights.
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See, I don't think it is actually an infringement of the freedom of speech, as long as they don't try to censor anything. Cause as long as they still let us say whatever we want, we still have freedom of speech. They're are just watching us say whatever we want. But as long as they don't act on it (Without good reason), or censor it, I don't think any rights are actually being violated.

Anyway, my opinion on this is that it seems kind of circular and ultimately self defeating. Look at these points from the article that Grant Crawford posted:
Grant Crawford said:
"However, utilities and factories are now using the Internet to carry SCADA messages from an increasing number of Web-enabled, remote-control systems"

"Not only that, but also many of their "private" networks now are built with the help of competitively priced fiber-optic connections and transmission services provided by telecom companies, which have become the frequent target of cyberattacks."

"Project "Aurora" diabled a 27-ton power generator using the internet"

"No, not sufficiently," Langevin said. "The private sector has different priorities than we do in providing security. Their, in a sense bottom line, is about profits. We need to change that. We need to change their motivation so that when we see a vulnerability like this we can require them to fix it."

"The big generators that we depend on for electrical power are one, expensive, two, no longer made in the U.S., and three, require a lead time of three or four months to order them. So, it's not like if we break one, we can go down to the hardware store and get a replacement. If somebody really thought about this, they could knock a generator out, they could knock a power plant out for months. And that's the real consequence."

"They could physically blow up and permanently disable a 27-ton power generator using the Internet."
Essentially, if the point of this kill switch is to prevent people from blowing up our power plants that use the internet, then wont shutting off the internet render our power plants just as useless? Viruses are far more easily produced than bombs, so it seems to me that shutting down the internet to protect power plants that need the internet to work from the internet seems pointless. We might as well just make them closed wired networks.

See, if we want this kill switch to be useful, then we cant go willy nilly hooking things up to the internet. If the internet is dangerous to us, then it makes no sense to depend on it. But, if we cut off all the stuff we want to protect from the internet, then the reason we invented this kill switch in the first place becomes null.

Either way, the kill switch seems to me like it defeats its own purpose. We can't absolute freedom and absolute security. And maybe we should just get better protection for the things that need protection. The government should be trying to distant us from harm, not tell drag us into it.
 

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Still not quite as creepy as creating a department of "Homeland Security" that can lock you up forever without trial or evidence after merely accusing you of being a terrorist.
 

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I have mixed emotions about this thread. The internet should stay in the hands of us, the people of the internet. If someone is in control of large bits of it, that's a problem, no matter who happens to be controlling it. Federal control of the internet in any way is bad, and this is just lending to that. But in the same way, have we overlooked that ISP control represents the same thing? I personally don't see a difference between what's happening here (the government having the ability to oversee your connection to the web, and also the ability to shut it down if need be) and what's been happening since the dawn of PCs (the ISP having the ability to oversee your connection to the web, and also the ability to shut it down if need be). Except perhaps the ISP charges more. I think the web should be open in every way, and completely controlled by the user. So as soon as I figure out how the hell that could be possible, I'll get back to you.
 

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Last time I checked the internet was not exclusively based in the US (someone correct me if I'm wrong), so this means that their 'kill switch' would affect America only (which would be somewhat poinrless, a 'cyber-attack' would probably be intended to attempt to shut down or disrupt the systems in a country, having a 'kill-switch' would just deny a 'cyber-terrorist' the satisfaction of being the one to fuck over America).
Lols. good point.
 

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ZephrC said:
Still not quite as creepy as creating a department of "Homeland Security" that can lock you up forever without trial or evidence after merely accusing you of being a terrorist.
True story! U dont even get ur phone call.