Poll: Should George Bush be tried for crimes against humanity/war crimes?
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Since he didn't actually approve in writing or in word any of the actions that were actually violations of international law, he can't actually be prosecuted.
But it looks like Condoleesa Rice has been thrown to the lions and there's enough evidence that SHE could be (that is, if citizens of the United States were actually prosecutable by the world court for ANYTHING.)
Aside from all that, Americans cannot be tried by the world court for war crimes because we as a nation never agreed to be prosecutable by it.
And all it would take to stop Bush from being prosecuted in the US is Obama pardoning him (it's been done before.)
As far as the Geneva Conventions go, they DO NOT APPLY.
To be protected by it you MUST, let me repeat that, MUST be a member of an organized and uniformed military of a signatory nation. NONE of the terrorists are either of those. That means the Geneva Conventions were not violated in any of those instances.
Sleep deprivation, and stress positioning are not torture (we train our own soldiers with BOTH of them,) though waterboarding could be the first few times. After that, unless you are pants on head retarded, you've figured out that you aren't going to drown.
But it looks like Condoleesa Rice has been thrown to the lions and there's enough evidence that SHE could be (that is, if citizens of the United States were actually prosecutable by the world court for ANYTHING.)
Aside from all that, Americans cannot be tried by the world court for war crimes because we as a nation never agreed to be prosecutable by it.
And all it would take to stop Bush from being prosecuted in the US is Obama pardoning him (it's been done before.)
As far as the Geneva Conventions go, they DO NOT APPLY.
To be protected by it you MUST, let me repeat that, MUST be a member of an organized and uniformed military of a signatory nation. NONE of the terrorists are either of those. That means the Geneva Conventions were not violated in any of those instances.
Sleep deprivation, and stress positioning are not torture (we train our own soldiers with BOTH of them,) though waterboarding could be the first few times. After that, unless you are pants on head retarded, you've figured out that you aren't going to drown.
Torture as defined by me would be anything that has long term health effects(or immediate like dislocating/breaking something). Putting cloth or wrap over somebodies face and pouring water for 20-40 sec to simulate drowning, in the presence of a doc is scarcely torture.edinflames said:
the problem here is its been released that it wasnt just him in on it...Gashad said:
meaning that the whole office has to undergo investigation and meaning a long and time restraining process...
it is also highly unlikely that anythign will happen to an Ex-President of the USA, lookat Nixon for example... he got away with treason and killing of the innocent in Lao
No, just kick him in the balls a few times for being an idiot, and send him on his merry way. Oh, and egg/burn his house.
Oh give the guy a freaking break: he's old, tried his best, and now can live out his life in stigma peacefully. In the end he (probably) did the best he could, so back off, take a breath of reality, and leave a poor, old man alone.
And come on, I can name like three presidents who've done worse ><
And come on, I can name like three presidents who've done worse ><
I registered just for this thread - a lot of you amazed me with your ignorance. Haven't had that happen in quite a while = /
And now, for my biased replies which don't matter.
Obama stoppig the torture is a step in the wrong direction that lets the terrorists win. If one person has to suffer so hundreds will live then so be it.
But where do you draw the line? If 99 people are tortured to death so 100 people don't die, is that a good price?
He chose to run for his position knowing full well that he would be held responsible for things like this.
Why yes. Let's scare politicians so they're even more scared of pissing the wrong people off!
1. Torture, it does not work. This is a proven fact.
Hardly - I don't know where you get your facts from, but they're pretty dead wrong. There's a reason why torture is still used - people will do anything to get it to stop. While sometimes it's incorrect, the mind can only lie to a certain point.
2. It was war. In war, people die,
Once again, where do you draw the line of what's good and bad in war?
and I believe the charges levied against George W. Bush would be cause for a death sentence from the international court of justice.
Gee, it's not like a dozen other (and worse) conflicts have happened in the past 20 years from different countries which are worse than iraq. Oh wait.
Bush started two illegal foreign wars.
And congress too! But they made them legal.
Bush sanctioned the illegal use of torture.
And congress too! But they made them legal.
And now, for my biased replies which don't matter.
Obama stoppig the torture is a step in the wrong direction that lets the terrorists win. If one person has to suffer so hundreds will live then so be it.
But where do you draw the line? If 99 people are tortured to death so 100 people don't die, is that a good price?
He chose to run for his position knowing full well that he would be held responsible for things like this.
Why yes. Let's scare politicians so they're even more scared of pissing the wrong people off!
1. Torture, it does not work. This is a proven fact.
Hardly - I don't know where you get your facts from, but they're pretty dead wrong. There's a reason why torture is still used - people will do anything to get it to stop. While sometimes it's incorrect, the mind can only lie to a certain point.
2. It was war. In war, people die,
Once again, where do you draw the line of what's good and bad in war?
and I believe the charges levied against George W. Bush would be cause for a death sentence from the international court of justice.
Gee, it's not like a dozen other (and worse) conflicts have happened in the past 20 years from different countries which are worse than iraq. Oh wait.
Bush started two illegal foreign wars.
And congress too! But they made them legal.
Bush sanctioned the illegal use of torture.
And congress too! But they made them legal.
You don't know what you're talking about.asinann said:
The reaction to waterboarding is autonomic. You can no more "learn better" than you can learn not to puke when something hits the back of your throat; it bypasses conscious thought entirely and goes right to the core functions of the brain, the unthinking parts that regulate breathing and heartbeat and reflexes and the release of adrenaline and stress hormones. There's a reason the Spanish Inquisition picked it as their favourite and why torturers in China liked it so much; the victim never becomes numb to it, no matter how many times it's repeated. The body reacts like it's drowning every time and there's nothing the poor bastard can do to prevent it from reacting.
Sleep deprivation and stress positioning and waterboarding are trained to soldiers to prepare them for what they will encounter and to teach them that you can't tough out torture; you will eventually break and tell the torturer whatever you think he wants to hear. (All those false confessions by pilots in the Vietnam War? That's what stress positions and sleep deprivation can do; just ask John the Fucking Hypocrite McCain.) SERE (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape) training gives troops some coping mechanisms so they won't break entirely, but more importantly it teaches them how to get the hell away from sadistic sons-o-bitches or better yet how to stay away from them in the first place.
It's torture. Those who did this to people, especially ones picked up because they were ratted out for a bounty (and were most likely just bystanders or civilians with too many enemies), gave up their rights to claim to be on the side of the angels.
-- Steve
Bush should DEFINATELY be tried for every crime that he has ever committed (including drub abuse). But, I don't think we should stop with Bush. Really, we also need to try Cheney because we all know bloody well that Cheney had his hand so far up Bush's ass that Bush was in danger of internal strangulation.
International law is a joke, its what the big powers use to control the little powers.
i didnt like Bush, dont think he did very smart things, dont agree that torture was at all legal and i wouldnt bat an eyelash at seeing him brought up and charged under US law for crimes.
on the other hand with all the troubles we have in the states at the moment we certianly have bigger fish to fry than Dubya.
i say count your blessings that hes gone and see to it as best we can that him and his ilk never get into power again.
i didnt like Bush, dont think he did very smart things, dont agree that torture was at all legal and i wouldnt bat an eyelash at seeing him brought up and charged under US law for crimes.
on the other hand with all the troubles we have in the states at the moment we certianly have bigger fish to fry than Dubya.
i say count your blessings that hes gone and see to it as best we can that him and his ilk never get into power again.
War crimes, right
Whos gonna be super lolintellecultalsurperior on america, fucking france!?
*Fistshakes*
All I'm saying is you have to remeber this, he did what he thought was best for the country
just like Obama is doing now
Completely different, same purpose
And before anyone goes on a haliburton rant, Haliburton was a huge government contracter before the war too, and(gasp) if the government needs something built, Haliburton tends to get the job, seeing as the company is a GOVERNMENT CONTRACTER
I know, its hard to believe
Take everything you hear in the media (All of it! Yes, Fox news as well, I know its hard to believe someone could say that/sarcasm) with a grain of salt, its often overblown
I personally wonder how much longer people will go OMG BUSHES FAULT
Whos gonna be super lolintellecultalsurperior on america, fucking france!?
*Fistshakes*
All I'm saying is you have to remeber this, he did what he thought was best for the country
just like Obama is doing now
Completely different, same purpose
And before anyone goes on a haliburton rant, Haliburton was a huge government contracter before the war too, and(gasp) if the government needs something built, Haliburton tends to get the job, seeing as the company is a GOVERNMENT CONTRACTER
I know, its hard to believe
Take everything you hear in the media (All of it! Yes, Fox news as well, I know its hard to believe someone could say that/sarcasm) with a grain of salt, its often overblown
I personally wonder how much longer people will go OMG BUSHES FAULT
I dont think he is innocent or guilty of such things, nor should he be prosecuted. But dont worry once Obama messes up some more (and what a mighty fine job he is doing!), they will just throw bush back into the light to detract from him. So he will get some air time of some sort, but eh nothing in the end will prolly happen.
If they really do, then just lol
Obama will screw up, its inevitable, every president makes a blunder
That much responsibility man..
Obama will screw up, its inevitable, every president makes a blunder
That much responsibility man..
No. He's no Hitler and he never personally went out and tortured people. In my ,outside of that it's pretty hard to convince me that a former president should be taken to court for actions made while in the presidency. No amount of unpopularity can convince me otherwise.
I do not think he should be tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity UNLESS the United States is invaded and conquered by a foreign power. That's the only scenario I could see it happening. In all other cases, he's free to live out the rest of his life in obscurity and insignificance.
No one will let Bush near anything important ever again, and that's good enough for me.
No one will let Bush near anything important ever again, and that's good enough for me.