Poll: Should George Bush be tried for crimes against humanity/war crimes?

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Gashad

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Recently with the release of the torture memos, some debate has arisen if the people who were responsible for the torture should be tried for there crimes. Now I would argue that while modern law of war would mean that people are responsible for there own actions, it would be profoundly unfair to try those who committed the actions but not those who ordered them(Indeed by the law of war officers are responsible for the actions of their soldiers, especially if they order them). This would probably bring the guilt all the way up to the top (even if George Bush wasn't aware/didn't authorize the torture [which I at least believe he did/was], as commander in chief he has responsibility to have control over the actions of the soldiers). Hence as torture is specifically forbidden in both the law of war and the universal declaration of human rights there is no doubt that George Bush has committed a criminal offence.

Even if you dispute the torture claims one cannot deny that George Bush has committed war crimes. By declaring the entire Taliban army "illegal combatants"(a term which for the record does not exist in the laws of war, it was just something George Bush made up), he has denied the Taliban fighters their rights as either combatants or civilians (The Geneva Conventions stipulates that all people in a conflict area must be one or the other) and hence clearly committed a war crime.

To try him there can be three possible authorities. Either the US which has signed both the Geneva Convention and the universal declaration of human rights can initiate proceedings against him. Moreover torture counts as a crime against humanity in which countries have universal jurisdiction, meaning that any country which George Bush visits can try him for it. Finally the international court of justice can step in and try a person for war crimes provided that the government the person belongs to (The U.S government in this case) is unable or unwilling to initiate proceedings against the person. While the US hasn't joined the ICC, most of the rest of the world have, and hence these could all send him to the ICC should he visit that country (some of the ICC members signed papers promising the US they will not send US citizens to the ICC however).

So do you think any of these authorities should try George Bush? Personally (in case you didn't catch the tone of this text) I am hoping for him being tried.
 

Inverse Skies

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I don't believe he should and also very much doubt this sort of action shall come to pass. I would be incredibly surprised if a former President of the United States was ever put on trial for war crimes.
 

Chibz

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He deserves it, but will never face consequence for his actions.
 

Onyx Oblivion

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Gashad said:
(even if George Bush wasn't aware/didn't authorize the torture [which I at least believe he did/was]
I like the part where you use your opinion/belief as evidence.
That's a nice touch.

I voted no.
 

Arcticflame

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None of those poll options.
He isn't innocent, but he isn't guilty to the degree where it is viable to prosecute.
 

Rivana

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Gashad said:
(even if George Bush wasn't aware/didn't authorize the torture [which I at least believe he did/was]
I like the part where you use your opinion/belief as evidence.
That's a nice touch.

I voted no.
Yes I caught that as well Onyx.
 

Rascarin

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I think that considering Bush was such a blatant idiot who could barely string a sentence together, he can hardly be held accountable for anything.

Just give him a smack on the wrist and send him back to his room with a colouring book or something. He may have been President, but do you really think he made any decisions about anything? He was a puppet, and the people pulling the strings need to be punished.
 

rainman2203

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"If the President does it, it's not illegal!"
Yeah the guy was an ignorant douche with the lowest approval ratings EVAR, but he was still the President. Ex-presidents can't be expected to be held accountable for their actions in office. If he had been charged while in office, then it would be a completely different story. Besides, we all know he wasn't really calling the shots...
 

Xaryn Mar

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Of course he should. He started a war on a sovereign country (Iraq) on false grounds and without a formal declaration of war (which as far as I know is required according to the rules of war). I just hope that he will be tried where ever he goes in the world in the future.

rainman2203 said:
"If the President does it, it's not illegal!"
Yeah the guy was an ignorant douche with the lowest approval ratings EVAR, but he was still the President. Ex-presidents can't be expected to be held accountable for their actions in office. If he had been charged while in office, then it would be a completely different story. Besides, we all know he wasn't really calling the shots...
Of course they can. Perhaps not in the great US of A but in the rest of the world it will not be a hindrance.
 

Lord Kofun

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I don't agree with any of those choices. The Geneva convention holds no ground against people who don't even wear a uniform for a specific country.

Aside of that point, are we holding him accountable for the torture bit? If so, I really don't think that playing loud music or keeping them awake for long periods of time really counts as torture. I know other things went on, but they are hardly as severe as what they did to our troops and allies. Does the word "beheadings" ring a bell?

Xaryn Mar said:
Of course he should. He started a war on a sovereign country (Iraq) on false grounds and without a formal declaration of war (which as far as I know is required according to the rules of war). I just hope that he will be tried where ever he goes in the world in the future.
For one, the President does not declare war. The Senate does. They are just as much to blame as Bush may be for going to war 'on false grounds.'

For two, and I know this argument is just asking for it, but just because we didn't FIND any doesn't mean they were not there. I am not saying that just because we didn't find them, that they WERE there, I am only saying that military intelligence can be just as flawed as any random guy on the street. The only difference is that intel has millions of dollars backing it.

Rascarin said:
I think that considering Bush was such a blatant idiot who could barely string a sentence together...
Have you seen Obama in a situation where his lines are not prepared ahead of time? He is an amazing speaker, but is just terrible when it's improvised. Look up some face-to-face interviews, some time.
 

Xaryn Mar

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Well if the senate declares war then they should be tried as well.
The intelligence was to the best of my knowledge spread to the CIA and other agencies by a disgruntled ex-Iraq-general that wanted Saddam Hussein to pay. I can be wrong there since I haven't checked myself
 

Iampringles

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No, he was just a small fish in a big pond. Despite being President.

He really didn't know what he was doing most of the time, and as Rascarin said, he was just a puppet.
 

Valthek

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he should be tried, at least, that's what i think...

but then again.. can someone with only a single brain-cell be held responsible for his actions?