Poll: Should Kids Be Allowed To Carry Guns?

[the_hessian]

I did vote YES, but that's just being silly.
I don't think anyone should carry guns, minus the police, who I think should be armed to the teeth, think Equilibrium, SMGs and Assault Rifles, not just pistols.
I mean I live in a crappy little English sea side town and there are idiots on the street, not just with high powered air guns, but 9mm pistols, one of these people I know, but he only bought it cos it looked pretty and it has no bullets. I've seen it, it's all nikle plated, it is pretty, but he has no intent to use it. On the contrary, he has bought it so ruffians and other nafarious types can't get their hands on it, so I'd say he's being helpful. Though he's still silly for having one for whatever reason.
But back to the topic at hand. If there are so many violent people wandering about in a sleepy place in a country that does not allow guns to the public, and all the police have are trunchions and occassionally MACE, they can't controle the problem and may end up dead. But then arming the police may escalate the problem, with bent one's selling the guns on to criminals, or the criminals feeling more pressured to use their weapons when confronted with an armed police officer.
If these supposed adults are armed and can be forced to pull a gun on you, not just beat you to death or knife you, then a child with far less understanding and maturety, if they got cornered by a mugger or something, they could pull the gun out to protect themselves then either f*** up their own lives by killing someone, or get killed themselves while also arming a degenerate.
The world is a silly and messed up place.

 

[mike1921]

Giving guns to kids? Those little people who get in fights over "he took my dolly?" Or the ones who get in hormonal cock fights in school? I think that either way, someone will die over nothing.

Afterthought: Remember that story a little while back about that kid who shot his parents when his mom took away his Halo game? That's why kids can't have guns.

Kids can't have guns because an obviously unstable kid got a hold of one? I thought we were better at psychological testing than that.

Your friend is saying "if they pass a government firearms test"? Certainly. I know a 16 year old who has a concealed weapons permit. I'd trust him with a pair of cargo pants filled with handgrenades.

But most kids don't have the discipline to carry a firearm. So in the case your friend is talking about, they wouldn't have one, regardless.

Ooh, that's possible?

People of college age should be allowed to carry guns on college campuses, but if your still going to high school there is no way in hell you should be allowed anywhere near a gun.

Yes, if you're 17 there's no way in hell you could even look in the general direction of a gun, but as soon as you hit 18 you get a gun.

 

[mike1921]

I did vote YES, but that's just being silly.
I don't think anyone should carry guns, minus the police, who I think should be armed to the teeth, think Equilibrium, SMGs and Assault Rifles, not just pistols.
I mean I live in a crappy little English sea side town and there are idiots on the street, not just with high powered air guns, but 9mm pistols, one of these people I know, but he only bought it cos it looked pretty and it has no bullets. I've seen it, it's all nikle plated, it is pretty, but he has no intent to use it. On the contrary, he has bought it so ruffians and other nafarious types can't get their hands on it, so I'd say he's being helpful. Though he's still silly for having one for whatever reason.
But back to the topic at hand. If there are so many violent people wandering about in a sleepy place in a country that does not allow guns to the public, and all the police have are trunchions and occassionally MACE, they can't controle the problem and may end up dead. But then arming the police may escalate the problem, with bent one's selling the guns on to criminals, or the criminals feeling more pressured to use their weapons when confronted with an armed police officer.
If these supposed adults are armed and can be forced to pull a gun on you, not just beat you to death or knife you, then a child with far less understanding and maturety, if they got cornered by a mugger or something, they could pull the gun out to protect themselves then either f*** up their own lives by killing someone, or get killed themselves while also arming a degenerate.

How are they f***ing up their lives by killing a mugger?

But back to the topic at hand. If there are so many violent people wandering about in a sleepy place in a country that does not allow guns to the public, and all the police have are trunchions and occassionally MACE, they can't controle the problem and may end up dead. But then arming the police may escalate the problem, with bent one's selling the guns on to criminals, or the criminals feeling more pressured to use their weapons when confronted with an armed police officer

Escalating the problem is worth it if it stops the problem more than it escalates it. Also, anything who thinks the police shouldn't have guns should be shot.

 

[Skeleon]

Yes, if you're 17 there's no way in hell you could even look in the general direction of a gun, but as soon as you hit 18 you get a gun.

You have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere...
Of course, some 16-17 yo might already be mature enough and on the other hand, some 19 yo might not be. But 18 is a good position for such a restriction, considering puberty is over and most people will already have established a more or less stable personality by that point.

 

[Kajin]

People of college age should be allowed to carry guns on college campuses, but if your still going to high school there is no way in hell you should be allowed anywhere near a gun.

Yes, if you're 17 there's no way in hell you could even look in the general direction of a gun, but as soon as you hit 18 you get a gun.

I say college because you have to draw a line of distinction somewhere and the colleges I've been to have around an average of maybe 30-40 years of age. If I said that you shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun until 21, then someone is probably going to say something along the line of "21 is too young, try 22" or "21 is far to old you discriminatory piece of !@#$, move it to 19!" and then they'll provide some manner of "evidence" concerning the claims they are making.

If anything, if we allow guns in any kind of school at all, it should be colleges because for the most part people who attend college are atleast making an effort to better themselves and should be recognized for that maturity.

 

[mike1921]

Yes, if you're 17 there's no way in hell you could even look in the general direction of a gun, but as soon as you hit 18 you get a gun.

You have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere...

Look at kajin's wording. I know there needs to be an arbitrary line somewhere.

 

[mike1921]

People of college age should be allowed to carry guns on college campuses, but if your still going to high school there is no way in hell you should be allowed anywhere near a gun.

Yes, if you're 17 there's no way in hell you could even look in the general direction of a gun, but as soon as you hit 18 you get a gun.

I say college because you have to draw a line of distinction somewhere and the colleges I've been to have around an average of maybe 30-40 years of age. If I said that you shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun until 21, then someone is probably going to say something along the line of "21 is too young, try 22" or "21 is far to old you discriminatory piece of !@#$, move it to 19!" and then they'll provide some manner of "evidence" concerning the claims they are making.

If anything, if we allow guns in any kind of school at all, it should be colleges because for the most part people who attend college are atleast making an effort to better themselves and should be recognized for that maturity.

.......there are people who'd suggest 19? That's almost as ridiculous as those people on the internet who said you should at the youngest have sex at 17.

Ps. sorry for the double posting, I keep forgetting to use the edit button.

 

[Doug]

Giving guns to kids? Those little people who get in fights over "he took my dolly?" Or the ones who get in hormonal cock fights in school? I think that either way, someone will die over nothing.

Afterthought: Remember that story a little while back about that kid who shot his parents when his mom took away his Halo game? That's why kids can't have guns.

Kids can't have guns because an obviously unstable kid got a hold of one? I thought we were better at psychological testing than that.

A) No, no there not good at the detecting the nutjobs. Hence all the high school shootings by pyschopaths.
B) Even a normal teen is a mess of hormones and new drives they don't understand. As muffincakes mention, dickwaving contests abound. Giving them firearms without adult supervision (i.e. in hunting trips, the father is normally there to make sure he does it right) is just asking for a fights over nothing to turn into murder. The same happens with adults, but not to the same scale as would happen with hormonal teens, and not alot you can do to stop idiot adults from killing each other.

 

[mike1921]

Giving guns to kids? Those little people who get in fights over "he took my dolly?" Or the ones who get in hormonal cock fights in school? I think that either way, someone will die over nothing.

Afterthought: Remember that story a little while back about that kid who shot his parents when his mom took away his Halo game? That's why kids can't have guns.

Kids can't have guns because an obviously unstable kid got a hold of one? I thought we were better at psychological testing than that.

A) No, no there not good at the detecting the nutjobs. Hence all the high school shootings by pyschopaths.
B) Even a normal teen is a mess of hormones and new drives they don't understand. As muffincakes mention, dickwaving contests abound. Giving them firearms without adult supervision (i.e. in hunting trips, the father is normally there to make sure he does it right) is just asking for a fights over nothing to turn into murder. The same happens with adults, but not to the same scale as would happen with hormonal teens, and not alot you can do to stop idiot adults from killing each other.

A) high schools don't have psych testing
B) hmm, I'm 13 and judging from my 13-15 year old friends who are more violant than normal, bullshit. With the exception of certain things that adults kill each other for all the time , like a cheating GF, I'd imagine 1/3 of my friends would shoot someone for that if they walked in on something and had a gun.

 

[demonsaber]

Your own argument defeats itself. Also high schools DO have psych testing. I had to undergo it myself at one point because I asked my chemistry teacher about a chemical reaction in thermite, which while it has many commercial and legal uses, can be used to make bombs and other forms of weaponry. It was found out that I was indeed, not a threat to the school, but I digress.

And on a side note, gun crimes are actually a smaller crime than one may think since 2001 100,000 people have died by gun crimes. Now you may think that is a lot, but in a given year there are about 70 million children to replace that populace. Now I know one cannot place value on the life of a human, but let's face it, we pump gun crimes up way more than they need to be.

 

[lil son]

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[Doug]

Giving guns to kids? Those little people who get in fights over "he took my dolly?" Or the ones who get in hormonal cock fights in school? I think that either way, someone will die over nothing.

Afterthought: Remember that story a little while back about that kid who shot his parents when his mom took away his Halo game? That's why kids can't have guns.

Kids can't have guns because an obviously unstable kid got a hold of one? I thought we were better at psychological testing than that.

A) No, no there not good at the detecting the nutjobs. Hence all the high school shootings by pyschopaths.
B) Even a normal teen is a mess of hormones and new drives they don't understand. As muffincakes mention, dickwaving contests abound. Giving them firearms without adult supervision (i.e. in hunting trips, the father is normally there to make sure he does it right) is just asking for a fights over nothing to turn into murder. The same happens with adults, but not to the same scale as would happen with hormonal teens, and not alot you can do to stop idiot adults from killing each other.

A) high schools don't have psych testing
B) hmm, I'm 13 and judging from my 13-15 year old friends who are more violant than normal, bullshit. With the exception of certain things that adults kill each other for all the time , like a cheating GF, I'd imagine 1/3 of my friends would shoot someone for that if they walked in on something and had a gun.

Would you trust your friends with guns? Would you trust that if they had a fight, they wouldn't use them? Is it possible, even if unlikely?

 

[mike1921]

Would you trust your friends with guns? Would you trust that if they had a fight, they wouldn't use them? Is it possible, even if unlikely?

Assuming you don't mean a fight in which almost anyone would use a gun (if you wouldn't take out a gun during a brutal fight or when someone pulls a knife on you I don't see why you'd have a gun), I think it's possible the same way I think it's possible the earth will get struck out of orbit before you read this.

 

[Doug]

Would you trust your friends with guns? Would you trust that if they had a fight, they wouldn't use them? Is it possible, even if unlikely?

Assuming you don't mean a fight in which almost anyone would use a gun (if you wouldn't take out a gun during a brutal fight or when someone pulls a knife on you I don't see why you'd have a gun), I think it's possible the same way I think it's possible the earth will get struck out of orbit before you read this.

Ok, if someone runs at you with a knife, then yeah, using a gun then is perfectly justified.

As for your friends, I doubt thats a realistic assessment given the numbers of shootings both within the USA and worldwide that occur. Even apparently sane individuals can snap without warning. Hell, accidental shootings occur often enough.

 

[mike1921]

Would you trust your friends with guns? Would you trust that if they had a fight, they wouldn't use them? Is it possible, even if unlikely?

Assuming you don't mean a fight in which almost anyone would use a gun (if you wouldn't take out a gun during a brutal fight or when someone pulls a knife on you I don't see why you'd have a gun), I think it's possible the same way I think it's possible the earth will get struck out of orbit before you read this.

Ok, if someone runs at you with a knife, then yeah, using a gun then is perfectly justified.

As for your friends, I doubt thats a realistic assessment given the numbers of shootings both within the USA and worldwide that occur. Even apparently sane individuals can snap without warning. Hell, accidental shootings occur often enough.

Ofcourse

I really don't pay attention to how many school shootings happen, but I'm pretty sure I heard about a school shooting that happened in another country and killed 14 kids, if that's rare enough to make news, given the number of schools in the world and the number of kids in those schools I say my assessment is realistic.

Your own argument defeats itself. Also high schools DO have psych testing. I had to undergo it myself at one point because I asked my chemistry teacher about a chemical reaction in thermite, which while it has many commercial and legal uses, can be used to make bombs and other forms of weaponry. It was found out that I was indeed, not a threat to the school, but I digress.

Given you're giving this as an example instead of "everyone in my school has to go to a psychologist in may", this is pretty irrelevent. How does my argument defeat itself?

And on a side note, gun crimes are actually a smaller crime than one may think since 2001 100,000 people have died by gun crimes. Now you may think that is a lot, but in a given year there are about 70 million children to replace that populace. Now I know one cannot place value on the life of a human, but let's face it, we pump gun crimes up way more than they need to be.

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[mike1921]

ahh, fuck double post again.

 

[demonsaber]

Would you trust your friends with guns? Would you trust that if they had a fight, they wouldn't use them? Is it possible, even if unlikely?

Assuming you don't mean a fight in which almost anyone would use a gun (if you wouldn't take out a gun during a brutal fight or when someone pulls a knife on you I don't see why you'd have a gun), I think it's possible the same way I think it's possible the earth will get struck out of orbit before you read this.

Ok, if someone runs at you with a knife, then yeah, using a gun then is perfectly justified.

As for your friends, I doubt thats a realistic assessment given the numbers of shootings both within the USA and worldwide that occur. Even apparently sane individuals can snap without warning. Hell, accidental shootings occur often enough.

Ofcourse

I really don't pay attention to how many school shootings happen, but I'm pretty sure I heard about a school shooting that happened in another country and killed 14 kids, if that's rare enough to make news, given the number of schools in the world and the number of kids in those schools I say my assessment is realistic.

Your own argument defeats itself. Also high schools DO have psych testing. I had to undergo it myself at one point because I asked my chemistry teacher about a chemical reaction in thermite, which while it has many commercial and legal uses, can be used to make bombs and other forms of weaponry. It was found out that I was indeed, not a threat to the school, but I digress.

Given you're giving this as an example instead of "everyone in my school has to go to a psychologist in may", this is pretty irrelevent. How does my argument defeat itself?

And on a side note, gun crimes are actually a smaller crime than one may think since 2001 100,000 people have died by gun crimes. Now you may think that is a lot, but in a given year there are about 70 million children to replace that populace. Now I know one cannot place value on the life of a human, but let's face it, we pump gun crimes up way more than they need to be.

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you said the idea of teenagers being hormonal and what not was bullshit and then proceed to state that 1/3 of your acquaintances would go nuts with weaponry.

 

[mike1921]

you said the idea of teenagers being hormonal and what not was bullshit and then proceed to state that 1/3 of your acquaintances would go nuts with weaponry.

Going nuts= walking in on your GF cheating on you while you have a gun and said gun is loaded and killing somebody?

When I imagine someone going nuts with weaponry I picture Sueng Cho, or Alucard. Not someone who'd do something bad with a gun in a certain scenario.

 

[Stormcloud23]

Hello everybody,
The title warrants a very immediate explanation so here goes:
Today during my martial arts class a friend of mine stated that kids (defined <18) Should be allowed to carry guns everywhere from school to the mall provided they pass a government firearms test. I of course took the side of logic and reason and immediately called him a dumb ass. We then asked a few other people at the class, and all of whom answered with an immediate "no". In an attempt to further prove my point I now ask you.

9 Words: I am one of the 27 who voted yes!
They should be allowed but only IF :
- It is for hunting
- There is an electronic lock that automatically shuts the gun off after one shot is fired
- The gun needs to be unlocked by a Sheriff/Chief/High Ranking Law Enforcement Officer
- If you murder someone you are not allowed to touch a gun for the rest of your life
- If you are found touching a gun, you get "25 ta life ma dawg"
- Your not a total retard
- You don't lick windows
- Your not on "Team Retard"
- Your not "pants on head retarded" [Yay, Yahtzee Refs x2!]
- You have to have at least 3 generations of law-abiding family members who have never been arrested, never shot someone, injured, etc.
If you pass all of that, sure, I don't see why not.

Read the thing, i said it's not for hunting.

 

[mike1921]

Hello everybody,
The title warrants a very immediate explanation so here goes:
Today during my martial arts class a friend of mine stated that kids (defined <18) Should be allowed to carry guns everywhere from school to the mall provided they pass a government firearms test. I of course took the side of logic and reason and immediately called him a dumb ass. We then asked a few other people at the class, and all of whom answered with an immediate "no". In an attempt to further prove my point I now ask you.

9 Words: I am one of the 27 who voted yes!
They should be allowed but only IF :
- It is for hunting
- There is an electronic lock that automatically shuts the gun off after one shot is fired
- The gun needs to be unlocked by a Sheriff/Chief/High Ranking Law Enforcement Officer
- If you murder someone you are not allowed to touch a gun for the rest of your life
- If you are found touching a gun, you get "25 ta life ma dawg"
- Your not a total retard
- You don't lick windows
- Your not on "Team Retard"
- Your not "pants on head retarded" [Yay, Yahtzee Refs x2!]
- You have to have at least 3 generations of law-abiding family members who have never been arrested, never shot someone, injured, etc.
If you pass all of that, sure, I don't see why not.

Ok, most of what you said pissed me off but I cease to even care what you said before when you demand 3 generations of law-abiding family members. Ancestry belongs nowhere in the legal system! Also, being arrested means nothing. Really, it's pretty retarded to deny someone a gun because their great grandpa was once arrested for stealing a bottle of soda that he didn't actually steal.