Poll: Should Link be female in the next Lengend Of Zelda

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Sonic Doctor

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scorn the biomage said:
All I'm saying link isn't masculine link duke nuke em or master chief plus there isn't a lot of men who would refuse to play as female character on principle in the legend of Zelda franchise
If they flipped it to where Zelda has to save Link, I would be fine with that.

Making Link female just because or for any reason for that matter, no. I didn't buy the last LoZ game, but I definitely wouldn't buy the next LoZ if they did that to Link. When the character was created, he was created as male. That is canon, which means in all games it must be so.

If people want to write stupid crap fan fiction where Link is female, that's fine, but rightfully leave the franchise's canon alone.

If you want to play female protagonists in games, make new female protagonists in your own game or find a developer that will make a new one in a new franchise.

It is a suggestion like making Link female that makes it so that we can't have nice things. Be original people, don't go mucking up established things to try and make some kind of statement.

StriderShinryu said:
I don't follow the Zelda timeline closely at all but I remember hearing that there are different Links in different LoZ games anyway so I don't see what the issue would be. Making Zelda the main character would likely take some alteration to how the game actually plays. Making Link female, however, wouldn't have to change anything at all.
Yes some of the Links in the games are not the same person, but by the LoZ franchise canon, it is explained(in LoZ: The Wind Waker) that in each generation one boy in green is chosen to be the hero of the land.
 

bastardofmelbourne

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No, because the character is male and gender-bending him for no reason would basically change the character for no reason, as well as being a gimmicky and shallow way of addressing gender issues in gaming.

The Zelda series, with a few exceptions, have always been basically a bunch of re-tellings of the same basic plot with the same character archetypes; a lower-class male (Link) has to rescue an upper-class female (Princess Zelda) from an ambiguously foreign evil sorceror (Ganon). It's a classic distressed damsel plot, and while you could validly criticise it for being sexist, Nintendo always plays it dead-straight and with a sort of endearingly earnest innocence that makes the whole charade acceptable.

The point, however, is that the main characters of a Zelda game are essentially archetypes rather than distinct characters, and Link's archetype is distinctively male, in the same way that Zelda's is distinctively female, and Ganon's is distinctively foreign. Changing Link's gender alters the archetype. You either end up with a new character who is distinct from the Link-archetype - in which case, make a different game with the character and don't bother calling her Link - or you just staple tits on, in which case the result is just Link-with-tits, and you've basically accomplished nothing because Link will think, act, and behave in the same way but now has tits for some reason.

Not to mention the whole thing reeks of gimmicky political correctness; you're not turning Link female because you want to make an interesting new female protagonist, you're turning him female...just because, as if the gender-flip is an ends unto itself. Or worse; an attempt to appeal to female gamers, as if they can be convinced to buy a Zelda game based solely on the fact that the Link now has tits instead of nads.

(This reference is only going to make sense to comic fans, but it's like when they killed Ultimate!Spiderman last year and replaced him with a black Hispanic preteen with identical powers, interests and motivations. The resulting character is literally just Peter Parker in blackface, callously calculated to appeal to as many ethnic minorities as possible while preserving as much of the status quo of the character as possible. This was somehow considered less racist.)

What I'd really like to see is one or both of these ideas turned into a game:

- a co-op Zelda game where one of the playable characters is actually Zelda, and she actually does stuff, or;
- a independent game (new IP) that basically deconstructs the basic Zelda save-the-princess plot by flipping the genders, but in a meaningful fashion that intelligently deconstructs the tropes associated with the basic fairy-tale character archetypes instead of just stapling tits and balls onto Link and Zelda respectively. I'm thinking of a game that does to Zelda what Braid did to Mario.

I can't imagine Nintendo making the latter game, but I can easily imagine them making the former, and it's actually something I'd want to play (I haven't played a Zelda game since the '64.)
 

babinro

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Nope.

Zelda games are essentially the same tale told over and over again. I don't see the point in swapping genders.
It would be like asking if Mario should be an African American in the next game.

Zelda has proven a strong character in the series. She can always take the lead if they wanted a female protagonist.
 

DragonStorm247

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They could very well do it Paper Mario style, where certain sections had you playing Peach (and Bowser in TTYD). Switch control between Link and Zelda from time to time.
 

BehattedWanderer

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Definitely want a female Link. The series is perfect for a role reversal. Hero saves royalty! Link, farm/fairy girl from [province] saves Prince Zelda, beats ancient evil!

Oh yeah. Do want.
 

rbstewart7263

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Yes but for good honest reasons. like showing that the series is gonna innovate instead of retreading the same ole path. Not for any pc stunting or to show "Hey girls the waters warm hurr durr" or " here you go feminists were not all bad see! :D" lol

The first would be great the second would end in failure.
 

Orange12345

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I have no problem with this, though if they are going to do it I think the best way would be completely straight faced, no surprise reveal, no playing a guy at first then switching to a girl, no er-meh-gerd he's a she moment. Just have link be a girl, don't even acknowledge it.
 

Twilight_guy

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No. For the same reason you don't have a seri4ees of movies or books and all the sudden gender swap the main character. It's arbitrary changing a character's characteristics for no good reason. I'd be fine if it was supposed Link's ancestor or descendant or some such nonsense but saying "now he's a chick!" doesn't seem right.
 

TheDrunkNinja

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Nah. Link is a very established character, and as such, he should never be subject to change for change's sake. If it was done well, then absolutely, but there's no reason to make him female other than for him to be female.

Only badly written characters are defined by their gender. Don't put Link through that unless you can actually deliver.
 

Ryotknife

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no, you are swapping genders for the sake of swapping genders. Make a game with Link's/Zelda's daughter if you want. Or have a game starring Zelda.
 

Yopaz

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JimB said:
Yopaz said:
It's not that I have a problem with it. It's more that I have problems with plot details that lead nowhere.
You seem to be confusing "plot" with "character." "Plot" is defined as "things that happen in a story." Being female is not a part of a plot; no one will ever write, "This is the scene where the protagonist is a girl."
OK, are you saying that plot and character aren't connected? Because that would explain a lot about why you don't understand what I am saying here. The character is the one acting out the plot. The plot is actually based around characters. Who the character is and how they behave is what shapes the plot.

It is interesting to me that you seem to think the only reason to include such a character is to brag, rather than for the sake of inclusion.
This isn't even close to what I said, this statement was about the DEVELOPERS. This is a part of what I was saying earlier rather than a separate reason. Make a character female if it makes sense to the setting, make the character gay if it makes sense with the setting. Make the character gay as a fun fact that doesn't really have anything to do with how the game plays out or the story unfolds and I see it as the developer trying to brag about how they are so tolerant to gay people or women.

The fact that you don't believe that there's a connection between character and plot tells me that this discussion is futile. Please, call me prejudice since I want a plot that's well written and where the details mean something.
 

girzwald

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Then quite frankly, it wouldn't be The legend of zelda anymore. The protagonist has always been link. (even when you could pick his name, link was the default) because thats how the destiny always unfolded and repeated. Two kids were born, one was named link, was named zelda and they never knew what awaited them.

And what is with the "omg it would be totally progressive if link were a girl for once" mentality? How is link suddenly being female "progress"? Progress towards what? Gender equality? Yes because if only, IF ONLY a girl could be the hero once in a zelda game. THEN we'd have gender equality, world piece, end world hunger, and everyone would get a puppy. Having link be a girl to be "progressive" just reeks of pandering.

Andropov4 said:
No. If you want to promote feminism, the way to do it is to make new, interesting, strong female characters, not just add boobs to existing ones. That demeans us all, I think.
Pretty much this.
 

Zhukov

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Yes, because I would love to watch the resulting shitstorm.

Such things are always a hoot when you have no stake.
 

bafrali

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Heck no. Do we have to castrate an icon to appeal the PC crowd? Just give Zelda a sword and lets see how things turn out. Well we have seen it once...or twice. But third time is the charm right?
 

Auron225

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This is a really interesting idea - not saying it's an amazing idea but interesting is exactly what LoZ needs badly. I really think its next game should break the mould a fair bit so whether that be a female hero or just playing as Zelda for a change - yeah I can see it working well. At the very least it would be controversial and get attention.

If it was a female Link; a running theme could be people not believing she is the foretold hero and refusing to help her... which would be more of a parody actually - it's not like characters go out of their way to help you until you've scratched their back first anyway... Still, I think it could work well.

EDIT: I don't understand people saying that Link is an established character. In a way, no he isn't. Almost every Zelda title has a different protagonist - they're just all called Link, wear green tunics and may or may not get the Master Sword at some point. The link from the windwaker isnt the same as the one from the ocarina of time, and the skyward sword link is different from them. This isn't castrating an existing Link - it's just having the hero be a female for once.