Poll: Should Nintendo Stop Making Consoles?

[Epona]

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Anyway rant over and on topic, I hope Nintendo continue to make consoles that are a bit different - if they started making consoles like Sony and MS what would be the point? There's relatively few exclusives on either consoles and on most of the cross platform titles you have to look at the controller to remember which one your playing, why would anyone want to see gaming homogenized more?

You mean, if Nintendo started making consoles that were powerful, instead of gimmicky, they would not be able to compete. Both the N64 and Gamecube were crippled due to storage space. The 3DS is using another gimmick to compete with the more powerful Vita.

Where did you get the idea I was saying Nintendo wouldn't be able to compete? I was saying what would be the point? We already have two very similar consoles why is a 3rd needed?

I don't understand why you think anything that deviates from the current norm as a "gimmick", is you gaming ideal for everyone to be playing the same games on the same sort of consoles with the same controls and the only difference being if you where a bigger fan of Halo, Uncharted or Zelda.

If you haven't noticed, Nintendo's motion controls haven't gone over so well with alot of people.

And the majority of people don't care, because video games are fun.

Prove it. Prove that MOST people don't care whether a game has motion controls or not.

I could prove it the same way you would offer proof of the claim a lot of people dislike motion controls. It's simply what i hear from the majority of people i know. Unless of course you've conducted a fair test.

Motion Controls and the Wii are not the enemy, it's companies not using it correctly, because they know they don't have to try hard, look at the DS's early life, they made DS games with god awful touch screen controls. Nearly everyone I've spoken to has said they'd find it hard playing Zelda (and other games) with buttons alone any more, since the motion controls for Skyward Sword were so well done.

I don't think I need to prove that people here and on other gamer sites dislike motion controls. If you have been here for awhile, you already know the majority opinion around here. You, on the other hand, suggest the majority opinion is the opposite (or atleast one of apathy) of what we see here and on other gaming forums. Ok, prove it then.

Nintendo uses the motion controls fine, I would still prefer to use a controller for Skyward Sword.

 

[Epona]

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Anyway rant over and on topic, I hope Nintendo continue to make consoles that are a bit different - if they started making consoles like Sony and MS what would be the point? There's relatively few exclusives on either consoles and on most of the cross platform titles you have to look at the controller to remember which one your playing, why would anyone want to see gaming homogenized more?

You mean, if Nintendo started making consoles that were powerful, instead of gimmicky, they would not be able to compete. Both the N64 and Gamecube were crippled due to storage space. The 3DS is using another gimmick to compete with the more powerful Vita.

Where did you get the idea I was saying Nintendo wouldn't be able to compete? I was saying what would be the point? We already have two very similar consoles why is a 3rd needed?

I don't understand why you think anything that deviates from the current norm as a "gimmick", is you gaming ideal for everyone to be playing the same games on the same sort of consoles with the same controls and the only difference being if you where a bigger fan of Halo, Uncharted or Zelda.

If you haven't noticed, Nintendo's motion controls haven't gone over so well with alot of people.

And the majority of people don't care, because video games are fun.

Prove it. Prove that MOST people don't care whether a game has motion controls or not.

I could prove it the same way you would offer proof of the claim a lot of people dislike motion controls. It's simply what i hear from the majority of people i know. Unless of course you've conducted a fair test.

Motion Controls and the Wii are not the enemy, it's companies not using it correctly, because they know they don't have to try hard, look at the DS's early life, they made DS games with god awful touch screen controls. Nearly everyone I've spoken to has said they'd find it hard playing Zelda (and other games) with buttons alone any more, since the motion controls for Skyward Sword were so well done.

I don't think I need to prove that people here and on other gamer sites dislike motion controls. If you have been here for awhile, you already know the majority opinion around here. You, on the other hand, suggest the majority opinion is the opposite (or atleast one of apathy) of what we see here and on other gaming forums. Ok, prove it then.

Nintendo uses the motion controls fine, I would still prefer to use a controller for Skyward Sword.

You base the "majority" off a small, vocal part of the internet.

Wow, that's funny.

I base it off of the information that we HAVE. Prove it wrong with more information to the contrary.

 

[st0pnsw0p]

I base it off of the information that we HAVE. Prove it wrong with more information to the contrary.

Did you maybe not read this?

I could prove it the same way you would offer proof of the claim a lot of people dislike motion controls. It's simply what i hear from the majority of people i know. Unless of course you've conducted a fair test.

How is that any different from how you got your information?

OT: I really don't see any reason for them to stop, just because some people don't like their consoles. I don't really care about the 360 and what do I do about it? Simple: I don't buy it. Is that really so hard to do?

Spoiler: This seems relevant

 

[Epona]

Oh forget it. I give up, everyone LOVES motion controls and can't wait for Nintendo's next motion controlled console.

 

[EHKOS]

I recently read Super Mario, how Nintendo took over America. I think they should keep on going. The virtual Boy was a fuckin' dud, but then we got the Gamecube. The Wii was just a miss. Nintendo built their company on last chances and innovation.

 

[Okysho]

YES! I want them to make there games for Consoles and PC

It'l never happen though, If you could get Nintendo games on other consoles then no one would buy there consoles.

Still Pokemon MMO!, Or a full blown AAA Metriod game!

I don't think the PS3 and X-box apply to casual gamers (yet)

I'd have to disagree, COD and FIFA are as casual as it gets.

OMG NO WAI!!! COD IS TOTALLT HARDCOREEE!!!111!!!

joking aside, a full "AAA" Metroid game (Not that Nintendo isn't a AAA company...) Prime was developed by Retro Studios, which as far as I know is American. While they turned out to be good games. I do NOT want to see the metroid series devolve into a brown FPS, which as for as I'm concerned... There was a lot of brown and gray in the Prime series... At least Tallon overworld and Phendrana were different colours...

OT: Too many things in the gaming world would come crashing to the ground if Nintendo left the console market, plus there'd be huge fights over the EXCLUSIVE rights to their IP (Damnit, a Zelda game sub dev'd by EA?! HELL NO!!!)

I think the bigger problem lies in the western audience. The more diverse gaming becomes, the more crap is getting put out and now it's considered the norm. If you don't have the EA sports back catalogue, all CoDs from 4 and up and anything else shooty and gray, then YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE HARDCORE AUDIENCE!!! This is because the audience has grown and are demanding more of the same shit over and over.

No one EXCEPT Nintendo even bothers to try anything new it seems (exaggerated, and console specific obviously). Maybe I notice them more because the market is completely saturated by "AAA" shooters, and while going into a gamestop makes me sad every time, merely because I didn't have the ability to look 5 years into the future, I can still say I'm at the very least glad that a big studio like Nintendo even does new things at all.

Before anyone calls me out in saying Mario, Zelda and Pokemon aren't original. I'd like to say that their formulas are what made them great and that they're actually still improved upon (most obvious being skyward sword) Think of those titles as Nintendo's CoDs and FIFAs that keep their company afloat while they try new things.

I can't speak for 3rd party dev... Nintendo does stupid things too, what can I say...

 

[Eventidal]

I'm getting tired of Nintendo and their gimmicky consoles and games. First it was the Wii with its clunky and frustrating controls that no hardcore gamer in their right mind would actually like. And now the WiiU is coming out next year. It has a giant tablet like controller with a touch screen and I'm pretty sure it has motion control too.

Don't get me wrong, the Wii was fun for the first couple of months but then I got bored of crappy sports and party games and went back to my PS3 and Xbox. I went back to it when the Wii motion plus came out and then got bored with it again. Now it sits in my sister's room and is only used when she wants to watch netflix (which I'm pretty sure that is what 2/3 of the Wiis that were sold are used for now).

Personally I want Nintendo to stop making consoles and focus on making their awesome games for a real console.

EDIT: Some people are saying stuff like "They make games for kids" and things like that. I'm not saying that I want Nintendo to stop making games, I actually love Mario and Zelda. I just want them to stop making consoles. I will admit that I shouldn't have said that " the Wii with its clunky and frustrating controls that no hardcore gamer in their right mind would actually like". That was an over generalization and shouldn't assume that no hardcore gamers actually like motion controls.

First it was the Warlord211 with his ridiculous assumptions about what "hardcore" is and what they like, and then he started spouting crap about the Wii's terrible controls.

I stopped in the first paragraph. Your entire credibility went RIGHT DOWN THE TOILET there because it's pretty obvious to me you can't be arsed to actually play the console you're bashing. Yeah, you touched it a couple times. What did you play, Carnival Games and Wii Sports? Play some real games and get back to me. Delve into third party on the Wii. Because despite the lies told to you by others just like yourself, the Wii has plenty of damn worthy first- AND third-party titles, the latter of which pretty much NOBODY bought. The controls are FINE. The implementation (the "waggle" problem) was pretty much figured out by the important developers by the second year of its life. There are games on the Wii that are SO HARDCORE they would make Dark Souls piss itself in fear.

I'm a hardcore gamer. TRUE hardcore. Not that pansy-ass "oh look all I play is "mature" games with blood and violence and bullets everywhere look how HD this is" thing people have started to mistake for hardcore. No, that's anything but. Wii games focus on gameplay and aesthetics, and while there aren't as many great Wii games as great games on other consoles, they're far more varied and fun, in my experience. They focus less on selling an experience and more on making the thing fun. There aren't a LOT of truly hardcore games on the Wii, but the fact that they focus on making difficulty in gameplay rather than making an illusion of danger or difficulty that's not really there really helps. There are games like Sin and Punishment, Monster Hunter Tri and Cave Story that really deliver on ass-kickingly tough challenges.

The fact is, most 360/PS3 games are pushing a cinematic exprience at you, and will do what they can to avoid deaths so that the movie-quality experience isn't lost. They take to extremes at times to make sure you can't die because of this or that. Uncharted and CoD practically push you along at every turn. Assassin's Creed is so busy being what it is that the developers have pushed themselves into a corner where they have a ton of story to delve into but no gameplay mechanics left to add to keep it interesting. Similar problems in many games. They're not all bad and not all mature, and not all focused on cinematics but still.

 

[SD-Fiend]

If Nintendo stops making consoles, then how will they release their re-release of every game they made back in the 1980's?

Gimmicky consoles are the only way they can bring some variety to the party, so let them sit in the corner with their 900-pound irregularly shaped object controllers and their dollop of sour cream motion controls. It'll give the children, moms trying to get their kids to try aerobics, and "special" gamers a place to play while the rest of us enjoy our Christmas parties.

are you seriously trying to go with the "only kids play the wii " Schick? and 900 pound irregularly shaped controls? the wii remote doesn't seem to weigh more than 4 pounds and how is a rectangle (from most view points irregular)?

 

[SD-Fiend]

I would normally say yes but the truth is I hate all consoles and I think only the PC should have games made for it because consoles are for babies that can't use a keybored lol,

but you can use a controller for pc gaming too...

 

[Inglorious891]

Hell no.

I'm not a Nintendo fan, but Nintendo is basically one of the only sources of non-gray, gritty serious games, something we reeeeally need more of.

Saying that, If the Wii U does bomb/becomes taken over by shovelware, then my dissapointment in Nintendo will be extremely high.

 

[I forgot]

why should Nintendo be the one to stop making consoles? Why not Sony or Microsoft. Those are far more interesting questions.
Nintendo's been aiming at expanding the market; naturally some are pissed because some games aren't in their tastes (including myself). However, Sony's been pissing me off and it's been trying to appeal to my market the whole time. Sony's hardware isn't all that great, their shit is overpriced and they practically share half a library with the 360. Should we really be asking if Nintendo should stop?

 

[SnakeoilSage]

If Nintendo stops making consoles, then how will they release their re-release of every game they made back in the 1980's?

Gimmicky consoles are the only way they can bring some variety to the party, so let them sit in the corner with their 900-pound irregularly shaped object controllers and their dollop of sour cream motion controls. It'll give the children, moms trying to get their kids to try aerobics, and "special" gamers a place to play while the rest of us enjoy our Christmas parties.

are you seriously trying to go with the "only kids play the wii " Schick? and 900 pound irregularly shaped controls? the wii remote doesn't seem to weigh more than 4 pounds and how is a rectangle (from most view points irregular)?

It's spelled "schtick." Schick is how people tested for diphtheria in 1910.

I used 900 pound irregularly-shaped object as a jab at Nintendo's dismal controller designs, starting with the N64's.

And I didn't say "only kids play wii." I mentioned "moms trying to get their kids interested in aerobics" and "special" gamers, too.

I'm sure you don't fall into one of those three demographics.

 

[Arkley]

Assuming that Nintendo will continue producing video games after they pull the plug on console production SEGA-style, then I am 100% in favour of Nintendo ceasing to make consoles. It means I'll get to play all the great Nintendo franchises but I'll have one less console to fork over money for.

And honestly, I think that would be for the best. For the entire last three generations of Nintendo consoles, they've had so little third party support that it's all but inarguable that their first-party efforts have kept them afloat almost single-handedly. Buying a Nintendo console in the last 15 years has gotten you plenty of great Nintendo games and precious few non-Nintendo efforts. Moving Nintendo games to platforms that already have outstanding third-party support like Sony & Microsoft's consoles just means more great games in one place.

Furthermore, Nintendo seems all but committed to "outdated" tech supplemented with gimmicks. The Wii was little more than a GameCube with a new controller and the Wii U is launching with similar tech to the ageing 360/PS3 with, again, nothing more than a unique controller to support its claim to being "current". If Nintendo cease console production they can pour those funds into creating genuinely current gen versions of their signature franchises for genuinely current gen consoles.

All of this definitely better for the gamers, in my opinion. It's probably not what's best for Nintendo, though.

 

[Sean951]

No! Sony and Microsoft just want to get at Nintendo's first party games. Mario and Zelda might be 25 years, but just a quick glance at them should tell you they are still going strong, and if we ignore Other M (and who doesn't) then we can add Metroid to that list.

Skyward Sword is also my game of the year (admittedly, I only play PC and Nintendo games) and I can't imagine going back to a Zelda based entirely on buttons and joysticks. I LOVED using the sword, and if they every make one accurate enough that we can use the sword to deflect or parry... Well, I would be incredibly happy.

 

[deadish]

Right now the one thing that consoles have over the pc is a simple used game market, once you get rid of that, there isn't much point in having a standard console anymore.

Sorry man, but from the perspective of developers (and the publishers who fund them), that is NOT "one thing that consoles have over the pc".

When you buy a used game, the developers get nothing. Zip, zero, nothing.
From their point of view, you might as well just pirate the game, it's has the same "effect".

That is their hang up and it will come back to bite them in the ass with new consoles that really push getting rid of that sort of thing, console sales will go way down, some stores will even refuse to carry the consoles, and it will become more difficult to market games since navigating a digital market space tends to be clumsy at best with only a controller.

It isn't a "hang up", it's a matter of life and dead of their jobs.

In the end it all comes down to money.
If publishers can't recoup their invest, budgets for games will shrink, developers will get laid off.

With less manpower, quality of games will go down, but the price will stay the same.

It is fact that game development cost money, and you will pay for it in one way or another, in the cost of the game or the reduction in quality.

No amount of arguing will change the laws of economics.

 

[Crazedc00k]

Snip.

That seems pretty narrow minded. Just because the console's nature doesn't appeal to you personally, just because you aren't a part of its most corely focused audience, doesn't mean that nintendo should shut down a profitable part of its business that keeps an exclusively game-making company in the console market.it sells well, its shown games to a wide variety of people, and it trounces PS3 and Xbox in the "fresh and new" department. Do I own a Wii? No. But its a perfectly respectable platform that nintendo should be proud of producing, and they shouldn't stop just because they no longer appeal to the hardcore part of their fansbase. why should they? as you pointed out, you bought one.

 

[Worgen]

Right now the one thing that consoles have over the pc is a simple used game market, once you get rid of that, there isn't much point in having a standard console anymore.

Sorry man, but from the perspective of developers (and the publishers who fund them), that is NOT "one thing that consoles have over the pc".

When you buy a used game, the developers get nothing. Zip, zero, nothing.
From their point of view, you might as well just pirate the game, it's has the same "effect".

That is their hang up and it will come back to bite them in the ass with new consoles that really push getting rid of that sort of thing, console sales will go way down, some stores will even refuse to carry the consoles, and it will become more difficult to market games since navigating a digital market space tends to be clumsy at best with only a controller.

It isn't a "hang up", it's a matter of life and dead of their jobs.

In the end it all comes down to money.
If publishers can't recoup their invest, budgets for games will shrink, developers will get laid off.

With less manpower, quality of games will go down, but the price will stay the same.

It is fact that game development cost money, and you will pay for it in one way or another, in the cost of the game or the reduction in quality.

No amount of arguing will change the laws of economics.

It is their hang up and in the end it will force games to either go down in price or put less money into them since they wont sell as well, or it might even encourage more piracy. One thing that publishers always forget about when they start whining and crying about used games is that the money people get from a used game is going to be spent on another game it might be new, it might be used but that money goes back into the game economy, you get rid of that and suddenly there is less money for games.

 

[Warlord211]

Snip.

That seems pretty narrow minded. Just because the console's nature doesn't appeal to you personally, just because you aren't a part of its most corely focused audience, doesn't mean that nintendo should shut down a profitable part of its business that keeps an exclusively game-making company in the console market.it sells well, its shown games to a wide variety of people, and it trounces PS3 and Xbox in the "fresh and new" department. Do I own a Wii? No. But its a perfectly respectable platform that nintendo should be proud of producing, and they shouldn't stop just because they no longer appeal to the hardcore part of their fansbase. why should they? as you pointed out, you bought one.

I didn't buy one, my parents bought me one after I told them to not get me one. I wasn't really ever really interested in the motion controls.

 

[Crazedc00k]

Snip.

That seems pretty narrow minded. Just because the console's nature doesn't appeal to you personally, just because you aren't a part of its most corely focused audience, doesn't mean that nintendo should shut down a profitable part of its business that keeps an exclusively game-making company in the console market.it sells well, its shown games to a wide variety of people, and it trounces PS3 and Xbox in the "fresh and new" department. Do I own a Wii? No. But its a perfectly respectable platform that nintendo should be proud of producing, and they shouldn't stop just because they no longer appeal to the hardcore part of their fansbase. why should they? as you pointed out, you bought one.

I didn't buy one, my parents bought me one after I told them to not get me one. I wasn't really ever really interested in the motion controls.

The point is moot--millions more people bought one than bought a 360 or PS3. They're making money hand over fist, why would they stop now because a few "hardcore" gamers are angry with an otherwise successful product?