Poll: Should noob tubes be banned on cod

[Shepard's Shadow]

it was aimed at the person saying that people using them are the anti christ though i am unfarmilliar with how forums work and the quote system as my programming knowledge is mainly focused in C++ so the quote grabbed yours too. woop

Oh, I see. No harm done. Just quote the person you want to respond to and it should work fine.

 

[faggotron]

wait.. why are we doing this?

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[faggotron]

[HEADING=1]NO[/HEADING]

While I think the attachment should be harder to unlock, outright banning it is just petty and stupid.

You must remember that there are many problems with the weapon, the inaccuracy and ammo supply as the most obvious. Sure it's annoying when they kill you, but so do most weapons in the game.

Shall we ban the Barret.50cal and the Intervention because you can kill in one shot?

Maybe if you put some fucking detail in your OP we could debate the subject, but the thread has come across as some player who got annoyed at a killstreak being ruined by the weapon. Grow up and adapt to counter the weapon, not just ask people on a forum for their views.

poetry.. right there..

 

[CobraX]

It doesn't change the fact that it's part of the game.

It doesn't change the fact that It's a piece of shit that can rot in hell and same goes for the people that use it. *Takes Happy Pills and Goes to Sleep*

I personally don't have a problem with it. But I can see why others do. If you don't like it that's fine. But the fact that it's in the game means it's a legitimate "tactic" for people to use.

the word tatic implys that there's skill involved...anyways I don't care I stopped playing the game 2 months ago.

 

[Shepard's Shadow]

It doesn't change the fact that it's part of the game.

It doesn't change the fact that It's a piece of shit that can rot in hell and same goes for the people that use it. *Takes Happy Pills and Goes to Sleep*

I personally don't have a problem with it. But I can see why others do. If you don't like it that's fine. But the fact that it's in the game means it's a legitimate "tactic" for people to use.

the word tatic implys that there's skill involved...anyways I don't care I stopped playing the game 2 months ago.

That's why it was in quotes. It was sarcasm.

 

[faggotron]

you know something?
this never fails, this topic on noobtube..
this game is about a year old now.. and yet people are still talking about it..
people have been tubing for a year; with or without danger close, with or without one man army.. and you'd think that people are over the fact of noobtubers..
but no! we still have to talk about this mountain of crap.. and why do we have to talk about this pile of poop? just because someone got tubed and he is feeling depressed and sad about it..
and just to back his ego up, he started this thread..

well anyway, if infinity ward was to be commended, it would be the lasting impression mw2 has on people..

now.. like i said...
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[Malyc]

Intervention and Barret need to be amped up... A .50 or a .338 is gonna kill you -and likely the 3 people who happen to be directly behind you- with the first round that hits you. I dont care if you have body armor, are hiding behind a 2 inch steel plate, or are in a tank, those rounds are designed to punch through pretty much anything they hit.

That's what I was saying. They can kill in 1 shot in the torso if you have FMJ and/or Stopping Power on.

You talk like unskilled elements in games have never been banned before. Hello martyrdom!

But Martyrdom was a perk, a passive trait so to speak. The "Noob-Tube" is a weapon. Different aspects of the game.

The cons of the weapon outnumber the pros from my perspective.

Grenade launchers are better darn accurate actually. Having a noobtube is pretty much +2 kills automatically.

Not over distance, unless you have somehow learnt how and where to fire across map. While I know some people have figured this stuff out, I never see it.

That's a pretty wide argument that could potentially negate the credibility of your argument, but I'll let it slide.

Its far more annoying to be killed by a weapon that requires zero skill and is overpowered beyond belief than it is to be outskilled.

It's this skill argument that really digs me. Why must one be skilled all the time? I digress.

As I said, it is annoying - Especially at close range where bullets or a melee would seem more appropriate. But you have to remember they have left themselves at a disadvantage if they kill you for several reasons.

When i get killed by using an obscure gun i feel like cheering for the guy.

This bit confuses me. Why would you cheer? All the weapons in the game work well in their own ways, it's just some are more popular than others.

When i get killed by a noobutbe i just roll my eyes.

As do I, but the bigger picture is that this player is at a time of disadvantage and as such, team-mates can finish where I left off..

No they require skill to get a good K/D with. Noobtubes do not and annoy the hell out of a considerable size of the fanbase.

Please don't use the "Skill" argument. Ever.

It's about as credible as a internet IQ test.

End of the day we should not be blaming the weapon, we should blame the players. It is very easy to outwit someone - grenade launcher or not, it's just as easy to outwit a camper or sniper. It's all about tactics and adapting to situations - Like most soldiers would in modern warfare.

27CDruid likes the skill argument a lot... And if a player is using 'tubes to unlock the under barrel shotgun, which is the only reason i have ever used it, then i can understand why they used it. If they using it just to piss people off, then they need to be killed in the most anoying way possible... preferably with a throwing knife after being shot, just to make it more personal.

 

[Rylingo]

You talk like unskilled elements in games have never been banned before. Hello martyrdom!

But Martyrdom was a perk, a passive trait so to speak. The "Noob-Tube" is a weapon. Different aspects of the game.

Using the grenade launcher removes perk 1. It is an explosive weapon perk. The only reason it isn't in the list is because you need an assault rifle to use one. It is a perk. Weapons have been removed before.

The cons of the weapon outnumber the pros from my perspective.

Hahahahahahahaha no. A quick reloading OHKO weapon with a large blast radius thats easy to aim definitely has a lot of cons.

Grenade launchers are better darn accurate actually. Having a noobtube is pretty much +2 kills automatically.

Not over distance, unless you have somehow learnt how and where to fire across map. While I know some people have figured this stuff out, I never see it.

That's a pretty wide argument that could potentially negate the credibility of your argument, but I'll let it slide.

If i can hit the position with a sniper rifle, i can hit it with a grenade launcher. They're really easy to use.
On average a grenade launcher should net you two kills very easily. You may miss occasionally but you will also get two people occasionally. If your not getting two kills with a grenade launcher your doing something wrong.

Its far more annoying to be killed by a weapon that requires zero skill and is overpowered beyond belief than it is to be outskilled.

It's this skill argument that really digs me. Why must one be skilled all the time? I digress.

As I said, it is annoying - Especially at close range where bullets or a melee would seem more appropriate. But you have to remember they have left themselves at a disadvantage if they kill you for several reasons.

I never really questioned the idea of skill in a game. I know i wouldn't play a game of randomness as it would just annoy me. Id rather play something were i have a say in the outcome.
What reasons? Ammo loss?

When i get killed by using an obscure gun i feel like cheering for the guy.

This bit confuses me. Why would you cheer? All the weapons in the game work well in their own ways, it's just some are more popular than others.

Don't get me wrong all the weapons are usable but some are clearly superior than others. Its no secret that players tend to choose the most powerful of the weapons. You tend to get a lack of variety as a result of this. I love variety in any type of game; racing, FPS, fighting. All of them are better when theres more variety.
When someone uses an obscure and less powerful weapon to best you, you've just got to cheer them on. They're clearly a superior player. Now perhaps you can learn something from them. You can't really learn much from a noobtuber. Its fairly simple.

A good example would be when i was beaten in a cage match on overgrown. I was using an AK47 and my opponent was using an MP44. He beat me pretty badly. At the end i just had to laugh and admit that he was clearly a better player. It was really nice to see someone using an mostly ignored weapon with such class.

When i get killed by a noobutbe i just roll my eyes.

As do I, but the bigger picture is that this player is at a time of disadvantage and as such, team-mates can finish where I left off..

The opponent still has 3 noobtubes. Even if he/she doesn't he is one an equal footing with your teammates. What disadvantage does he have?

No they require skill to get a good K/D with. Noobtubes do not and annoy the hell out of a considerable size of the fanbase.

Please don't use the "Skill" argument. Ever.

It's about as credible as a internet IQ test.

Internet IQ tests are bull. Skill is an important part of any game.

End of the day we should not be blaming the weapon, we should blame the players. It is very easy to outwit someone - grenade launcher or not, it's just as easy to outwit a camper or sniper. It's all about tactics and adapting to situations - Like most soldiers would in modern warfare.

Blame the game, not the player. If a game is unbalanced it needs to be fixed. Changes need to be made to the grenade launcher. Otherwise it is ruining the experience for a lot of players which may be put off from buying the next game.
Campers can be hit with a cooked grenades. Snipers struggle at close range. Noobtubes are always dangerous, irrelevant of your tactics.

 

[Rylingo]

Using the grenade launcher removes perk 1.

What game are we talking about here? I'm on about Modern Warfare 2..

Are you talking about the first one? If so I can't really debate on that game as I have not played it enough. Tell me which instalment of the game you are referring to and I will write a response for the rest of the post.

Sorry for the confusion. My bad.

I predominantly play MW1. I don't own MW2 and hence play it at a friends house.

@27CDruid
to be honest, if there is a game, there would be love and hate..
even if the game is nearly perfect, people would still find faults in it..
i do agree that the tube requires less skill, but hey, you can say the same for the at4 and rpg..

(on a side note, even the game has the title of 'noob tuber' in it.. so i guess infinity ward had already considered the consequences of putting this thing in)

so shall we ban the at4 and rpg as well?

Those weapons are clearly inferior and are easily countered. Noobtubes are difficult to counter.

 

[faggotron]

@27CDruid
ok.. its probably the problem of the tread starter..
he said 'should noob tubes be banned on cod'

 

[faggotron]

he should have said 'should noob tubes be banned on mw2'

 

[faggotron]

@27CDruid
you're basing what i said on skill..
you said that rpg and at4s are easy to counter..
what might be easy for you to counter might not be easy for other players to counter..
and im basing what im saying on mw2.. not mw..
and as i have heard, the handling of the guns differ between the 2 versions..

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

Shall we ban grenade launchers in real life also?
People wanted a realistic (Ha, yeah right) modern warfare game. If real life has grenade launchers, then the players just have to suck up the consequences. They begged for it, so it is their own fault, in a way.
You want real guns in games, have to deal with them yourself. I no longer play Call of Duty games.

I once had an arguement like this with someone in CoD, they tried saying that grenade launchers used everywhere and against everything to the exclusion of all else was perfectly fine because (like you said) they exist in real life (although I believe that most casualties in modern combat are actually the result of crew-operated weaponary located a long distance away from the actual conflict rather than infantry, imagine if 9/10 times you got spawn killed by some bastard on an artillery piece X amount of miles from you behind a mountain, that would be realistic but very irritating).

Some try to defend breaks in the game like this by saying it's 'realism', but you don't have to look to hard that they've made more than a few acceptable breaks from reality to make the game playable (oddly enough, reality does tend to get in the way of fun).

Look at things like regenerating health, everyone having a secondary weapon, arbitrary bullet power, the lack of back-blast from rocket launchers, the lack of any form of command or order between players, the way knife fights play out and much more.

We can't really defend it by saying it's realism because it really isn't, the game has broken weapons and abilities and people usually have good reason to complain, that doesn't mean they can expect anything to come of their complaints though (and Bad Company 2 is just as bad in this regard by the way).

Thanks for taking the time to write that lengthy reply. I've emboldened the important part of my post for you.
I was never trying to say it was realistic. I had the health regen in mind when typing that part.
But thanks for taking the time to write that. You're preaching to the choir, as the saying goes.

 

[Rylingo]

@27CDruid
you're basing what i said on skill..
you said that rpg and at4s are easy to counter..
what might be easy for you to counter might not be easy for other players to counter..
and im basing what im saying on mw2.. not mw..
and as i have heard, the handling of the guns differ between the 2 versions..

MW: The RPGs take far longer to reload than the grenade launchers (which i assume is true in MW2). If you miss with the RPG, your dead. If you miss with the noobtube you still have a fairly good chance of survival as its reload time is roughly a third. Also RPG rockets travel slow enough that you can leap out of the way if the rockets come from long range. The grenades are too fast to dodge.

Ive had problems playing against them in MW2 but i don't have the experience to be able to comment in that game. I was spawn killed at the start of the match by one though.

 

[Iron Mal]

Thanks for taking the time to write that lengthy reply. I've emboldened the important part of my post for you.
I was never trying to say it was realistic. I had the health regen in mind when typing that part.
But thanks for taking the time to write that. You're preaching to the choir, as the saying goes.

I was aware that you weren't saying it was realistic (the main reason I quoted you was because your post reminded me of the conversation that I referenced, I appologise if I gave the wrong impression), even though you're well aware of that there are still quite a few people out there who believe that stuff like MW2 and BC2 are the 'zenith of realism' (it may have seemed like the blatantly obvious to you but there are still people out there who haven't quite caught on).

My reply wasn't directly aimed at you (and I'm sorry if I sounded patronising or anything like that).

 

[faggotron]

@27CDruid
to be honest i have no idea what to say..
cuz you havent had enough experience in mw2 to comment, and the only experience in mw i had was playing campaign in the hardest mode possible and beat it in less than 3 hours.. and then playing the game again in infinite ammo mode..

and i find anything that we say to be pointless.. cuz we are talking about different games here.. though i would like to see you dodge a rpg in both mw and mw2..

 

[faggotron]

@27CDruid
btw, the reload time for the tube and rpg in mw2 is about the same..