Poll: Should our species be exempt from culling?

[PrinceOfShapeir]

Of course not, what an absurd question. Setting aside all thoughts of the -disgusting- thought process that makes the murder of billions of innocents as an acceptable measure - and quite frankly, the fact that you think billions of people deserve to die for the crime of being Human - dear God, that's one step up from Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain motivations. You're one step up from the bloody Necron.

Anyway, getting back to setting aside the moral implications, Humanity is the only race on this little planet that has any chance of making a mark on the universe that will go beyond and outlast dear old Planet Earth. Intelligent life is precious, the result of millions upon millions of years of natural selection. I believe that there are other forms of intelligent life in the universe, but no one knows that. The only thing we do know is that we are an intelligent species, capable of at least beginning to comprehend the mysteries of the universe. That knowledge is worth pursuing. Inevitably, Earth will be destroyed. It's destruction will come one day, whether it be by intelligent agency or the inexorable march of an uncaring universe. When that time comes, if Humanity has not already spread beyond the stars, Earth was for nothing, just another part of a small blink of light in a universe filled with billions of such lights.

But if Humanity outlasts Earth, then something new will have entered the universe. Maybe something wholly unique.

That is what elevates Humanity above the other life on this world. Humanity has a chance to outlive Earth. It has a chance to outlive this galaxy, a chance to outlive the universe. The only way the wolves, or the deer, or the oak trees will escape the death of Earth is if Humanity saves them. If we lay our hands down and decide to die as some of you seem to be suggesting, that chance dies with us. Earth will eventually become nothing more than a desolate ball of iron, perhaps inhabited by bacteria and a microbe or two, until the Milky Way is itself destroyed by Andromeda and it becomes little more than a scattering of dust traveling across whatever is left from the galactic collision.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

two solutions-

1. we start enforcing mandatory birth control, by law. Now I'm against big government, but I see this as an absolute necessity. We need to slow down the birth rate.

OR/AND

2. We gotta start planning colonization of other planets.

 

[Azure Sky]

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

Trees? No, your attitude to Hitlers? That's better.

And oh noes, I'm a traitor to my own species now? Are you trying to make an argument or kill me with humor, I'm now quite unsure.

But you are right, there is no point in continuing this, it is a waste of time.
Anyone who can think logically can see all the holes in your statements clear as day anyway. =3

EDIT: Have fun with the whole 'Master Race' mindset, I'm sure you can tell us all about it one day?

 

[RobCoxxy]

World War 3 is the answer to that problem.

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

"War. Huh. YAYEAH. What is it good for? Controlling the population, that's whut."

 

[wiggler]

Holy shit this is the most depressing messed up poll I've ever seen in that no is actually -winning-. How the hell could you instigate culls? And say who died and who lived? Jesus christ.

 

[Pyro Paul]

Humanity as a species is the most destructive force on this planet we are the only species that knowlingly destroys our environment, our atmosphere, and the extinction of other species. We have the gift of knowledge and we choose to burn the world to a cinder instead of using it to make a better place. With this view I do beleive the population does need to be monitered and controled but by civilized means like birth control.

You think 'nature' is all lolly pops and gumdrops?
Nature is the most distructive force ever witnessed. it is full of chaos which, through flukes, alter the fate of millions of species.

we have the gift of knowledge, and we use it to Fight nature and try and bring order into a random chaotic world.

Global Warming, for instance.
That is a Fluke caused in a shift of the earths orbit from the increased number of massive volcanic eruptions and huge earth quakes seen in the past 50-100 years. It would of happened regardless if weither or not humans existed...

yet, as a race, we try and 'stop' it...

you give humans too much credit.
we are mearly a speck of paint in the larger picture... a grain in the hourglass of time... nothing more then a foot note in the annals of existance. To believe that we are anything more is just arrogance.

In response to the question: Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

Source: http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

It is Human Nature to blame ourselves for events occuring that we barely understand.

Lightning strikes, Earth Quakes, Volcanic eruptions, Floods, Plauge... All brought about because of wrath of one god or another in order to punish the wicked, wrong, evil, and unfaithful...

so to your question...
Do i believe that we humans are at Fault for a Naturally occuring event that we barely understand Occuring?

No. I believe that this Naturally occuring event is *gasp* Naturally occuring.
we just so happen to be here while it occurs.

 

[Liudeius]

We aren't quick to kill thousands of other animals to prevent overpopulation, that's just a stupid excuse that hunters use to justify hunting. Animal populations normally fluctuate an if hunters hadn't been stupid enough to kill all the wolves, deer's would be naturally killed more.

 

[Valkyrie101]

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

Trees? No, your attitude to Hitlers? That's better.

And oh noes, I'm a traitor to my own species now? Are you trying to make an argument or kill me with humor, I'm now quite unsure.

But you are right, there is no point in continuing this, it is a waste of time.
Anyone who can think logically can see all the holes in your statements clear as day anyway. =3

EDIT: Have fun with the whole 'Master Race' mindset, I'm sure you can tell us all about it one day?

I suggest you seek psychiatric help. When you start hating your own species, there's something fundamentally wrong. (Incidentally, wishing death and destruction upon your own species is treason.)

 

[Spartan X1]

Humanity as a species is the most destructive force on this planet we are the only species that knowlingly destroys our environment, our atmosphere, and the extinction of other species. We have the gift of knowledge and we choose to burn the world to a cinder instead of using it to make a better place. With this view I do beleive the population does need to be monitered and controled but by civilized means like birth control.

You think 'nature' is all lolly pops and gumdrops?
Nature is the most distructive force ever witnessed. it is full of chaos which, through flukes, alter the fate of millions of species.

we have the gift of knowledge, and we use it to Fight nature and try and bring order into a random chaotic world.

Global Warming, for instance.
That is a Fluke caused in a shift of the earths orbit from the increased number of massive volcanic eruptions and huge earth quakes seen in the past 50-100 years. It would of happened regardless if weither or not humans existed...

yet, as a race, we try and 'stop' it...

you give humans too much credit.
we are mearly a speck of paint in the larger picture... a grain in the hourglass of time... nothing more then a foot note in the annals of existance. To believe that we are anything more is just arrogance.

In response to the question: Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

Source: http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

You are right we are just a speck but what I'm trying to get across is that nature can be destructive but what nature does it always repairs itself we have a constantly changing planet but as humanity we have technology that upsets the natural balance of things we pollute our air and water with chemicals and smog destroy our land then we have atomic power the one force that can leave an area completly devoid of life for long periods of time. With no control of ourselves we could very well ruin our planet, yes we are a speck but even a small speck of cancer can bring down an entire body

 

[Peteron]

Just cut back on reproduction. There is no reason to go around and slaughter people....same goes for animals. Culling would put us back a few hundred years. This is the 21st century, we prefer to do things that look less savage. (Even if they are not entirely)

 

[Valkyrie101]

Of course not, what an absurd question. Setting aside all thoughts of the -disgusting- thought process that makes the murder of billions of innocents as an acceptable measure - and quite frankly, the fact that you think billions of people deserve to die for the crime of being Human - dear God, that's one step up from Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain motivations. You're one step up from the bloody Necron.

Anyway, getting back to setting aside the moral implications, Humanity is the only race on this little planet that has any chance of making a mark on the universe that will go beyond and outlast dear old Planet Earth. Intelligent life is precious, the result of millions upon millions of years of natural selection. I believe that there are other forms of intelligent life in the universe, but no one knows that. The only thing we do know is that we are an intelligent species, capable of at least beginning to comprehend the mysteries of the universe. That knowledge is worth pursuing. Inevitably, Earth will be destroyed. It's destruction will come one day, whether it be by intelligent agency or the inexorable march of an uncaring universe. When that time comes, if Humanity has not already spread beyond the stars, Earth was for nothing, just another part of a small blink of light in a universe filled with billions of such lights.

But if Humanity outlasts Earth, then something new will have entered the universe. Maybe something wholly unique.

That is what elevates Humanity above the other life on this world. Humanity has a chance to outlive Earth. It has a chance to outlive this galaxy, a chance to outlive the universe. The only way the wolves, or the deer, or the oak trees will escape the death of Earth is if Humanity saves them. If we lay our hands down and decide to die as some of you seem to be suggesting, that chance dies with us. Earth will eventually become nothing more than a desolate ball of iron, perhaps inhabited by bacteria and a microbe or two, until the Milky Way is itself destroyed by Andromeda and it becomes little more than a scattering of dust traveling across whatever is left from the galactic collision.

That's a terrible way of looking at it and you're a terrible person for daring to suggest that humans are somehow better than other forms of life. Your logic is all wrong, you evil baby-murdering Nazi.

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Seriously though, /thread. You've pretty much described, better than me , why intelligent life is important and why the preservation of it is vital.

 

[Darius Brogan]

The point I'm making is that we humans have unimaginable potential: just look at how far we've come in the last five thousand years. Trees and flowers have zero potential, and literally do not have minds, so should be disregarded.

So... Should we kill off all the plants and trees then? How about insects? or even half the other far inferior species could probably go as well. They are obviously in the way our progression to ascend to out rightful place as gods of this world? [/sarcasm]

No, because they're useful to us. We need them to exist. Note that this only makes them important in conjunction with humanity.

Okay, that was probably quite offensive and distasteful to people, so apologies where needed.

Seriously though I am probably one of the first people to admit that I dislike other people, even put back in context, the superior-species entitlement some people have these days is quite disturbing.

So here we go, you're a people-hating misanthrope, which explains why you get on better with grass than people. But some of us have a vested interest in survival and progress.

And you're a specie-elitist Hitler that doesn't seem to realize all facets of his own race (Not to mention doesn't read whole posts)

Now that I have given you the satisfaction of sinking to your level of namecalling, shall we move on?

I don't know about you, but I'm sure I can name the primary only contributing factor that will lead humanity extinct.

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

snip

Listen, it's this simple. We are humans. Look around and take in everything that we have achieved and created. Now look at animals and plants. What have they achieved? Nothing. What will they ever achieve? Nothing. They are simply biological processes. So are we. We are, however, far more advanced biological processes.

That is, of course, taking the very broad universal perspective. Since we are humans, we ought to take the human angle, which is this simple: we are human. We are more important, because we are we and they are they (not to mention considerably inferior in any case). Therefore, it is in our interest, yours and mine, to survive, even at their cost. That is instinct. That is our purpose. Anyone who fails to live by this creed, dies. Simple Darwinism.

Anyway, what's your long-term plan if it doesn't involve human survival?

I wonder if you realize that your own argument is working against you. You say humans are superior creatures, MORE advanced biological processes. Riddle me this, Why do insects have chitinous armour plating? Why are Cheetahs the fastest mammal on Earth, the Peregrin Falcon the fastest animal.

Each of them and many more all have mechanisms to maintain their own lives, Humanities only advantage is the fact that, sometime in our species history, we caught a disease, a virus, that causes our brains to develop in place of jaw muscles.
We have no claws, no fur, no armour, no fangs, we can't see at night without aid, we're not fast, we're not strong, we cannot fly. We have only the basest of physical senses that tell us what is going on in the world at large, and we rely almost entirely on our sight.
How, even with all of our supposed 'achievements', even though 'achievement' is a human based term, are humans actually BETTER than other animals??

Besides, I couldn't care less about humans as a whole. I will be seeing to my survival and mine alone in the foreseeable future, and in the event that I need oversee another humans well-being, I will only do so if they are first capable of surviving, and providing something of use to me, you know, as human nature dictates.

 

[cthulhumythos]

As the most destructive species on the planet, why are we not taking more drastic measures to lower our population? We're quick to kill thousands of animals for overpopulating, yet they aren't nearly as dangerous to the planet's wellbeing as we are.
Are we collectively too arrogant to see how disgusting our species really is?

Disgusting?

we're the best species on the planet. we own the earth. all other life has our kindness to thank for it's continued existence.

however overpopulation might be a problem, so the whole kid production thing might want to be kept in check.

 

[Skratt]

You cannot cull, but voluntary sterilization might be the solution. We should offer to pay people money to get snipped or tied.

 

[wiggler]

Saying humans are useless because we caught a virus doesn't mean jack. Simular things drive evolution for other species. Also people who believe humans have nothing other than our intellegence are simply wrong. We are among the finest endurance runners in nature, look at African tribes, they can track an animal for hours and hours, a human in peak condition can go and keep going. We can track well too, eat a large range of substances and our ability to adapt means we are present on all continents minus one. We are top of the foodchain for a reason.

Anybody who thinks humans should be culled has major moral issues and is seriously messed up. An animal, minus a few, is too dumb to even have much of an emotional reaction. Imagine the anguish and fear of a human population being culled. I can't belive there are so many genocidal maniacs here.

 

[wiggler]

Also another point, we're the only animals smart enough to have a concept of ethics and to think of big ideas like culling in advance. We aren't disgusting, as we're also the only species which has members who strive to preserve other species, even ones which don't help us in any way, such as Pandas.

 

[Zay-el]

OP, I get the feeling that if we DID start culling, you wouldn't be the first to volunteer to be slain...

 

[Azure Sky]

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

Trees? No, your attitude to Hitlers? That's better.

And oh noes, I'm a traitor to my own species now? Are you trying to make an argument or kill me with humor, I'm now quite unsure.

But you are right, there is no point in continuing this, it is a waste of time.
Anyone who can think logically can see all the holes in your statements clear as day anyway. =3

EDIT: Have fun with the whole 'Master Race' mindset, I'm sure you can tell us all about it one day?

I suggest you seek psychiatric help. When you start hating your own species, there's something fundamentally wrong. (Incidentally, wishing death and destruction upon your own species is treason.)

Still on about that? Seriously? Is that all you have? Really?

Lets get into the grit of things shall we.

Firstly, if I am not mistaken, wishing death upon any members of your own race being treason is utter bullshit. I believe it was covered a while ago in England of all places, someone could legally shout in public "In my opinion, X member of the Royal Family should be shot". Such a pity I cannot remember the the references, cookies for anyone who finds it though.

Secondly Hating your own species is so common its not even funny. Do you not know of war? Racism? Or are you a complete shut in?

Thirdly, you are a prime example of why I can sometimes despise my own species, good job there.

So all in all, it is becoming more and more obvious, you are either a bubble-world shut-in, mentally deficient, or just full of bullshit.

I swear... I would not be surprised if you were a member of WBC or something... *Shudder*