Poll: Should our species be exempt from culling?

[TheEndlessSleep]

Culling? That's sick. I'm all for cutting back on reproduction, but outright murder is just disgusting.

We do it to animals all the time, which in itself reinforces his point about how disgusting we are as a species.

 

[wiggler]

We do it to animals all the time, which in itself reinforces his point about how disgusting we are as a species.

Shit mate if you think we're so awful why don't you go get culled and do us all a favour. I honestly cannot belive you can think you're a moral person and advocate genocide. You are seriously sick

 

[O maestre]

As the most destructive species on the planet, why are we not taking more drastic measures to lower our population? We're quick to kill thousands of animals for overpopulating, yet they aren't nearly as dangerous to the planet's wellbeing as we are.
Are we collectively too arrogant to see how disgusting our species really is?

and how would you decide who had to be killed.... criminals?, then what the sick and disabled? and then what their families? and then what the homosexuals? they dont reproduce after all right... oh i know how about orphans they were unwanted by their parents anyway so why not just get rid of them and then what? a death lottery!? from dystopian sci fi to an internet fascist wet dream.

while humans are related and inseparable from the animal kingdom we are so much more than that,while other species adapt to their environment, humans adapt the environment suit them, that is why we have become so superior.


besides i think your point is moot since peace between humans is so so far away from our capabilities that war will serve as a natural population cap... if all else fails disease.

your contempt for your own species is fascinating. speaking of which i am surprised why you didn't suggest that the entire species should be killed off. if you however truly do believe that sanctioned killings is the way to solve our problems then we will be left with a new problem of trying to regain our humanity.

killing part of ourselves is the easy way out, its what uncivilized animals would do, take the easy way, like Samuel Johnson said
"He who makes a beast of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man"
call it arrogance or a sense of destiny, but i believe we can be more than mere animals, for that to happen we must sometimes walk the path of suffering, which some may describe as being the essence of the human condition.

TLR you are an unenlightened fascist and i couldn't disagree more

 

[Valkyrie101]

The point I'm making is that we humans have unimaginable potential: just look at how far we've come in the last five thousand years. Trees and flowers have zero potential, and literally do not have minds, so should be disregarded.

So... Should we kill off all the plants and trees then? How about insects? or even half the other far inferior species could probably go as well. They are obviously in the way our progression to ascend to out rightful place as gods of this world? [/sarcasm]

No, because they're useful to us. We need them to exist. Note that this only makes them important in conjunction with humanity.

Okay, that was probably quite offensive and distasteful to people, so apologies where needed.

Seriously though I am probably one of the first people to admit that I dislike other people, even put back in context, the superior-species entitlement some people have these days is quite disturbing.

So here we go, you're a people-hating misanthrope, which explains why you get on better with grass than people. But some of us have a vested interest in survival and progress.

And you're a specie-elitist Hitler that doesn't seem to realize all facets of his own race (Not to mention doesn't read whole posts)

Now that I have given you the satisfaction of sinking to your level of namecalling, shall we move on?

I don't know about you, but I'm sure I can name the primary only contributing factor that will lead humanity extinct.

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

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Listen, it's this simple. We are humans. Look around and take in everything that we have achieved and created. Now look at animals and plants. What have they achieved? Nothing. What will they ever achieve? Nothing. They are simply biological processes. So are we. We are, however, far more advanced biological processes.

That is, of course, taking the very broad universal perspective. Since we are humans, we ought to take the human angle, which is this simple: we are human. We are more important, because we are we and they are they (not to mention considerably inferior in any case). Therefore, it is in our interest, yours and mine, to survive, even at their cost. That is instinct. That is our purpose. Anyone who fails to live by this creed, dies. Simple Darwinism.

Anyway, what's your long-term plan if it doesn't involve human survival?

I wonder if you realize that your own argument is working against you. You say humans are superior creatures, MORE advanced biological processes. Riddle me this, Why do insects have chitinous armour plating? Why are Cheetahs the fastest mammal on Earth, the Peregrin Falcon the fastest animal.

They were born with those advantages, they didn't create them. And they may be the fastest, but we are the dominant ones. The most intelligent, and the all-rounders.

Besides, I couldn't care less about humans as a whole.

Discussion over, then.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

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Shit mate if you think we're so awful why don't you go get culled and do us all a favour. I honestly cannot belive you can think you're a moral person and advocate genocide. You are seriously sick

Ummmm, at what point did i say I advocated genocide??

I was merely pointing out that we cull animals all the time and nobody bats an eyelid, but as soon as we mention culling people then we all jump up in anger.

Culling is indeed a disgusting idea, but equally so when involving either people or animals

 

[PurkinjeFiber]

Here's a death note. Go have yourself a hayday.

 

[wiggler]

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Shit mate if you think we're so awful why don't you go get culled and do us all a favour. I honestly cannot belive you can think you're a moral person and advocate genocide. You are seriously sick

Ummmm, at what point did i say I advocated genocide??

I was merely pointing out that we cull animals all the time and nobody bats an eyelid, but as soon as we mention culling people then we all jump up in anger.

Culling is indeed a disgusting idea, but equally so when involving either people or animals

Because animals (or at least the ones we cull, like deer etc) don't have self-awareness, they don't even have a concious mind. There is no way they can feel anguish or long lasting terror. The worst that can happen for them is they get shot without knowing or they have a brief moment of fear as thye run away then forget that it ever happened.

 

[zehydra]

OP can volunteer himself if he wants.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

Culling? That's sick. I'm all for cutting back on reproduction, but outright murder is just disgusting.

Why is it any more wrong than killing any other species? That is the big point of my question. What makes us so special? For hundreds of millions of years, animals have lived harmoniously with the planet. In all that time, we are the only species to be aiding in the planets destruction. Why are we so deserving of existence but other more respectable species aren't?

I think people are more against us culling ourselves. If a superior species came along and added us to its food chain and reduced our population, while it would suck, I'm sure a lot of people would just say "That's nature, but it kinda sucks"

I can't think of any animal off the top of my head that decides "There are too many of us, lets kill some of us off" and don't you dare say lemmings because that's an urban legend and the sheer number of of makes them deplete resources quickly and during migration they bump into one another and fall off the cliffs. They do not commit mass suicide!

So why would humans, if we are just animals on the top of the food chain, mass murder ourselves if no other species does?

Think of it this way, if another race of humans came along, call them Human X. Human Xis superior to Humans, they take our place on the food chain. They also eat us just as we eat cows. Now if they were doing the same thing to the earth as we do now (living just as we do, the exact same way), would we really expect them to start mass murdering themselves if they had too high a population, or would we hope they contained their reproductive properties?

 

[Valkyrie101]

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

Trees? No, your attitude to Hitlers? That's better.

And oh noes, I'm a traitor to my own species now? Are you trying to make an argument or kill me with humor, I'm now quite unsure.

But you are right, there is no point in continuing this, it is a waste of time.
Anyone who can think logically can see all the holes in your statements clear as day anyway. =3

EDIT: Have fun with the whole 'Master Race' mindset, I'm sure you can tell us all about it one day?

I suggest you seek psychiatric help. When you start hating your own species, there's something fundamentally wrong. (Incidentally, wishing death and destruction upon your own species is treason.)

Still on about that? Seriously? Is that all you have? Really?

Lets get into the grit of things shall we.

Firstly, if I am not mistaken, wishing death upon any members of your own race being treason is utter bullshit. I believe it was covered a while ago in England of all places, someone could legally shout in public "In my opinion, X member of the Royal Family should be shot". Such a pity I cannot remember the the references, cookies for anyone who finds it though.

Secondly Hating your own species is so common its not even funny. Do you not know of war? Racism? Or are you a complete shut in?

Thirdly, you are a prime example of why I can sometimes despise my own species, good job there.

There's a difference between hating certain members of ones own species, and hating every single one. Hating the species itself on principle.

So all in all, it is becoming more and more obvious, you are either a bubble-world shut-in, mentally deficient, or just full of bullshit.

I swear... I would not be surprised if you were a member of WBC or something... *Shudder*

No, I'm human, and I have a vested interest in the survival of my species and the propagation of intelligent life. Sound reasonable? Of course it does, and 99.999% of the world's population agree. I don't usually resort to ad hominem or insults where possible, but you are a sad, pathetic, psychotic, suicidal and genocidal freak who was probably bullied at school, and carried over that hatred of humanity into his or her later life. Maybe you love animals so much because they offer unconditional affection, because they won't call you out on anything? I'm blocking the rest of your posts, because this failure of natural selection is distressing.

 

[monstersquad]

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Nature also balances itself out. The idea of Humans being uncontrollable cancer is just some BS pushed by media trying to be "deep."


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Nature does balance itself out, but humans do literally everything that they can to circumvent that natural balance. We wouldnt need a cull if we actually let nature do it for us. Instead, you get people who have never contributed anything to society beyond supporting it's basic maintenance deliberately following harmful lifestyles, who are then "saved" by modern medicine, for literally no raisin.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

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Shit mate if you think we're so awful why don't you go get culled and do us all a favour. I honestly cannot belive you can think you're a moral person and advocate genocide. You are seriously sick

Ummmm, at what point did i say I advocated genocide??

I was merely pointing out that we cull animals all the time and nobody bats an eyelid, but as soon as we mention culling people then we all jump up in anger.

Culling is indeed a disgusting idea, but equally so when involving either people or animals

Because animals (or at least the ones we cull, like deer etc) don't have self-awareness, they don't even have a concious mind. There is no way they can feel anguish or long lasting terror. The worst that can happen for them is they get shot without knowing or they have a brief moment of fear as thye run away then forget that it ever happened.

Interesting statements, care to show me your evidence for them?

Also, WTF? I'm not sure its possible to get shot without noticing, and i'm also not sure that it's possible to get shot without it causing some form of lasting damage at best, and a slow agonising death at worst.

and if that's really the worst that can possibly happen to them, its still pretty bad.

 

[Soushi]

As the most destructive species on the planet, why are we not taking more drastic measures to lower our population? We're quick to kill thousands of animals for overpopulating, yet they aren't nearly as dangerous to the planet's wellbeing as we are.
Are we collectively too arrogant to see how disgusting our species really is?

Hey, if your volunteer and put yourself and your family at the top of the list, sure, go right ahead. I would have you use your brothers and sisters, your parents, or your own children, to demonstrate how this culling would work, what methods would you use for murdering them, how you would keep terrified and panicked people under control, how you would explain to them why you are killing them, and what kind of world they are dying for that they will never see, and finally, to see whether the world is a brighter place as a result.

And on that note, tell me, how will you decide who to kill, once you and your family are dead. Will you choose richer nations over poorer nations, from whom will you select your victims? Will you show special treatment to people who are Christian or muslim or buhhdist? What about people of different ethnicities, will you show preferential treatment to any of them? What about people who are disabled, how would you treat them. Would you simply kill every one who isn't 'up to snuff'? What about age, will that be a factor? Will you kill babies, or just wait till they grow up until you end their lives, let them live a doomed existence consuming resources.

And how will you kill them, will you shoot them? Behead them? Gas them or poison them? Eletrocute them? How about just slitting their throats. And what of countries that stand against your little plan, will you bomb them? Nuke them? Or will you just act like the Aztecs, take them over and then sacrifice them. Or maybe you would like to go the Roman route, just let them kill each other for your sadistic pleasure. And what about the bodies when you are done, do you return them to the family, or do you simply dig a pit somewhere and let them rot in unmarked graves, or do you grind them up for fertilizer, or turn them to ash? Tell me, what would you do with the people you butchered and murdered.

Or maybe you haven't put that much thought into this and are just an arrogant child (in mind or body) who is mad at the world and would rather beat his fists against the ground in a desperate bid for attention than get up and do some good.

What is arrogant, good 'sir', is to assume that one life is more important than another, Every single human being should have the right to live, to experience this wonderful, finite existence called life. It is a precious gift, and it is up to each and every one of us to make the most of it. Some do, and some don't. There are problems with our species, we are not the brightest lot, but there is one very important thing that we do have, and that is the ability to change who we are for the better. Killing never solves anything, it is when people try to understand and communicate with one another that true progress is made and our world become a little brighter.

 

[Nukey]

I say the human population is innovative enough to safely reach 2^35 persons (over 34 billion) before we need to start populating other planets.

We're just bees building hives

And computers, and videogames

Seriously, do none of you militant naturalists find it a little odd, given all the "diversity" just on our planet, that there isn't at least one another kind of creature on earth (radically different morphologically) with something as basic as a written language?

It'd probably be a good idea to start populating other planets before we reach those numbers.

Also, the development of "hives" would be nothing short of disastrous. A large percentage of people in the world lack the resources to live comfortably, what do you think it'll be like when everywhere is filled to capacity?

 

[Somatsu]

Though I voted 'yes' I see one person who probably should be culled: YOU. How about we start your little idea with all the 'useless' people? That means you and me and all gamers everywhere. I don't get why you'd even bother bringing up something so foolish but I prefer being alive. I'd rather not put it into someone else's power whether or not I am irrelevant.

 

[Ampersand]

Is there anyone on these forums, besides me, that actually likes people? As it happens there's more then enough room for all of us.

 

[Azure Sky]

Oh God, tell me you didn't just compare trees to Jews, or civilization to the Holocaust.

I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion, because you're starting to give the impression of being a tiny little bit sociopathic not to mention unhinged species-traitor.

Trees? No, your attitude to Hitlers? That's better.

And oh noes, I'm a traitor to my own species now? Are you trying to make an argument or kill me with humor, I'm now quite unsure.

But you are right, there is no point in continuing this, it is a waste of time.
Anyone who can think logically can see all the holes in your statements clear as day anyway. =3

EDIT: Have fun with the whole 'Master Race' mindset, I'm sure you can tell us all about it one day?

I suggest you seek psychiatric help. When you start hating your own species, there's something fundamentally wrong. (Incidentally, wishing death and destruction upon your own species is treason.)

Still on about that? Seriously? Is that all you have? Really?

Lets get into the grit of things shall we.

Firstly, if I am not mistaken, wishing death upon any members of your own race being treason is utter bullshit. I believe it was covered a while ago in England of all places, someone could legally shout in public "In my opinion, X member of the Royal Family should be shot". Such a pity I cannot remember the the references, cookies for anyone who finds it though.

Secondly Hating your own species is so common its not even funny. Do you not know of war? Racism? Or are you a complete shut in?

Thirdly, you are a prime example of why I can sometimes despise my own species, good job there.

There's a difference between hating certain members of ones own species, and hating every single one. Hating the species itself on principle.

So all in all, it is becoming more and more obvious, you are either a bubble-world shut-in, mentally deficient, or just full of bullshit.

I swear... I would not be surprised if you were a member of WBC or something... *Shudder*

No, I'm human, and I have a vested interest in the survival of my species and the propagation of intelligent life. Sound reasonable? Of course it does, and 99.999% of the world's population agree. I don't usually resort to ad hominem or insults where possible, but you are a sad, pathetic, psychotic, suicidal and genocidal freak who was probably bullied at school, and carried over that hatred of humanity into his or her later life. Maybe you love animals so much because they offer unconditional affection, because they won't call you out on anything? I'm blocking the rest of your posts, because this failure of natural selection is distressing.

[I must not troll the retard, I must not troll the retard, I must not troll the retard. Gnnnnn...]
*Clap clap clap clap*
"I don't resort to..." You aren't serious... Wait, you are... That's all your posts have been since we started. Again, you are full of bullshit.
You seem to really enjoy taking liberties with what is being said and running it through your own rose colored fantasy, I do suggest you seek help for that, really.
You also seem to be really projecting there, again, my advice would be professional help.
You also do not read what people say and seem to enjoy twisting everything into your own deformed fantasy world. Seek help.

I guess I must thank you, you have single-handedly demonstrated to the rest of the forum how full of bullshit you really are.