Yeah, explain to me how someone can be raised with a default position and i'll give you the thumbs up. Basically its impossible, everyone tries to impose their own knowledge and beliefs on everyone else. Its human nature.
Poll: Should Parents have the right to force there religion on there kids ?
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I only believe that animals evolve. And the reason is to be better able to live in the changing earth. I do not believe that we came from damn monkeys.ZAch055 said:
Nope, kids should be allowed to decide for themselves. Parents should only be allowed to explain their religion(or lack thereof) to their children and let them be the judge.
______ is a theory, with lots of facts to back it up. Please, edit that out of your post, we don't need this to turn into a semantics battle.ZAch055 said:
I say no, but it's much more complicated than that. I think everyone should be able to choose what she/he wants. Not only in religion, but in such things as i.e. joining the military, career decision or circumcision.
The problem is that whatever parents choose for their personal life, as soon as children are born they are under the influence of their surrounding culture and inevitably the choices made by other people. Escpecially in subjects like religion it's hard to stay neutral. Even if parents don't force anything on their child it will realize that their parents do or do not believe in some kind of entity, thus (un)consciously showing some kind of frame.
The problem is that whatever parents choose for their personal life, as soon as children are born they are under the influence of their surrounding culture and inevitably the choices made by other people. Escpecially in subjects like religion it's hard to stay neutral. Even if parents don't force anything on their child it will realize that their parents do or do not believe in some kind of entity, thus (un)consciously showing some kind of frame.
No, because your use of the word "force" could be considered as "against their will". And as usually kids are very free-willed and don't care for that stuff (I went to mass until I was 10, and the only reason I did not subscribe to that religion was that it was so boring).
And if the situation your describing is allowed, it would be spiritual mind rape.
Incestuous spiritual mind rape. And that is not okay.
Also, there seems to be a lot of religion discussions going on...
And if the situation your describing is allowed, it would be spiritual mind rape.
Incestuous spiritual mind rape. And that is not okay.
Also, there seems to be a lot of religion discussions going on...
My kids come to church with us, and will until they leave my house. Simple as that. They are very young right now, and they will probably not enjoy it very much as they get older (I didn't when I was younger), but my hope is that like me the wisdom imparted from a good sermon will sink in and will maybe be remembered later on in a potential difficult periods in their life.
I'm not even saying they have to be Christians, but I would still want them to go, at least a couple of times a month. I wouldn't consider myself a Christian, but I like going, and I always learn something new.
I'm not even saying they have to be Christians, but I would still want them to go, at least a couple of times a month. I wouldn't consider myself a Christian, but I like going, and I always learn something new.
Apes, way to demonstrate how little you actually know.[/quote]
O wow..damn..you really did show me. Now I shall give up my view just because I got the wrong sort of animal....
O wow..damn..you really did show me. Now I shall give up my view just because I got the wrong sort of animal....
We DID NOT COME FROM MONKEYS, we share an ancestor. And humans are animals. IF you want to live in ignorance that is fine, but please please do not make your children do the same.Outcast107 said:
I think the government should not allow parents to /Enforce/ the religion on there kids.
A 14 year old who is very intelligent and lives in a small insanely christen town
and he starts questioning there parents beleifs and states that he is a /\[)Insert Religon or
lack of one here (]/\ and the parents force him to practice there sect . does the government step in ?
A 14 year old who is very intelligent and lives in a small insanely christen town
and he starts questioning there parents beleifs and states that he is a /\[)Insert Religon or
lack of one here (]/\ and the parents force him to practice there sect . does the government step in ?
Well it's a good thing evolution doesn't state that we come from monkeys, right?Outcast107 said:
Parents will always raise their children using their own worldviews on morality, religion, and pretty much everything. I am a Christian, and I'll be raising my kids to be Christian. If they turn away from said faith when they get older, then I can't force them to believe in God. But until that point, I will take them to church, read the Bible together as a family, pray together, and so on and so forth.
An atheist parent will raise their child in a similar way: Sharing values and beliefs (Or non-beliefs). I wouldn't get angry and up-in-arms over that, so I wouldn't expect anyone to do the same for how I raise my children in that regard.
Fixed. (I do believe in evolution but it's a stretch between fact and theory.)ZAch055 said:
Parents teach their children what they themselves believe. Once the child is old enough to choose what they actually believe, then they can decide for themselves, but up until then it's the duty of the parents to teach the kid. Religion is often blown out of proportion because the only things the news tells you are "This religious group hates homosexuals" or "This religious group is trying to ban evolution from schools". Religion, if done correctly, instills many good moral values in the people who follow it. Likewise atheism can have its upsides as well, I'm sure. Forcing it on them when they're old enough to decide for themselves isn't fair to the child, but not instilling anything leaves them unenriched, whether it's atheism or religion.
Well..... shit.bodyklok said:
The war has begun. I wash my hands of this madness. Have at it, and just for the record, i'm rooting for you bodyklok and ZAch055.
Yes. Parents have the right and, in a way, should have the right to push(though I prefer the term 'present') their religious belief to their kids.
No. The kid, once grown up enough to consider the matter on their own should be allowed to choose whether or not to believe or practice said religious belief.
So basically, install your belief, then see if they like it. If they do, great, if not, LEAVE THEM ALONE. Forcing a kid to believe in something they simply don't believe wouldn't end well for the relationship between parent and child...
No. The kid, once grown up enough to consider the matter on their own should be allowed to choose whether or not to believe or practice said religious belief.
So basically, install your belief, then see if they like it. If they do, great, if not, LEAVE THEM ALONE. Forcing a kid to believe in something they simply don't believe wouldn't end well for the relationship between parent and child...
O wow..damn..you really did show me. Now I shall give up my view just because I got the wrong sort of animal....[/quote]I'm just saying, before claiming something like that, maybe you should know something about it. I'm not trying to say you're an idiot, so I apologise that I came across like that.Outcast107 said:
It's part of a parent's job to socialize their children and to teach them values of some sort. So it's not forcing anything upon a kid, it's called parenting.
That said, when they grow up and are able to think things through for themselves enough and if they want a change, they should be allowed to. I decided I was a nonbeliever at 12 and that was that. I plan to raise my future kids without religion, but with openmindedness toward what they grow up and want too.
That said, when they grow up and are able to think things through for themselves enough and if they want a change, they should be allowed to. I decided I was a nonbeliever at 12 and that was that. I plan to raise my future kids without religion, but with openmindedness toward what they grow up and want too.