jack583 said:
the fact is that some people DO use pain killers self-destructively, weither it is for not caring about the instructions ("more i take the faster it works"), trying to commit suicide, and other reasons. people are stupid by nature.
you can get lung cancer from second-hand smoke. not just adults but also children, and kids aren't exactly known for having super immune systems and would be more likely to get cancer from second-hand smoke.
Yeeees... people DO use pain killers self-destructively, although I was more hinting at recreationaly but whatever. Yes people are stupid, (not by nature I might add, but by our own doing and removing natural selection and creating a molly coddle society) but I don't quite get what your getting at? Are you saying we should ban all drugs known to man (including the prescribed ones you mentioned that are so easy to get apparantly even though you need a prescription thus an actual need for them) or are you against banning smoking?
And I've explained this second hand smoke thing so many times in this thread that I think this will be the last. There are very few situations where second hand smoke is going to do ANY damage WHATSOEVER to your precious body.
Now take hede (head, heed, yes heed I think thats it) everyone else who is likely to end up using passive smoke as their main argument. Here is a list of occasions where passive smoke will acctually harm you.
1) This is the most common out of all of these and also one that I agree strongly that it should be stopped. When parents smoke around their children. Now unless both the parents and the child live in quite a small falt or something and the parent(s) in question smokes quite a few a day the acctual smoke itself won't do any permanent harm physicaly. But what is very common is that the child will later on in life start smoking as a result.
2) Your trapped in a lift with a smoker and a few cartons for days. Well it's a very small space and you will be there for a long period of time. However you will recover. Very quickly after the ordeal, provided the smoker hasn't killed you because all smokers are evil and discusting apparntly.
3) Your trapped in any other small confined space for a long period of time with a smoker and a supply of cigarets. See 2.
4) You frequent a bar/pub that allows smoking. However for you to receive any permanent damage from the smoke you would have to spend enough time at this bar that you either love drinking orange juice or because you are a regular and your already fucked because of the amount of drink you consumed waiting around for lung cancer from passive smoke just to prove a point.
5) See number 1 but not for children. The reason this is differant is that you have a choice in this one where the child doesn't.
I don't know where all this extreme amount of ignorance is coming from. But I'll try to educate you.
The smoke from a cigaret is not a death sentance. A good thing to compare it to would be radiation or car fumes. You are all exposed to these things every day (just incase you don't know much about radiation the sun is radioactive, as are Aberdeen and Cornwall) but you don't claim that these things are killing you do you? That's because they're not (unless you live in certain parts of China with the smog) it's all in very small doses so the cumilative effect isn't great enough to do any/much harm. And any harm that his done, your body recovers from very quickly, because your body heals, if it didn't you would be dead right now. Oxygen, one of the things essential to living is poisoness for fuck sake. But it's diluted so your body can handle it, use it and then manage the damage that it does.
Anyway the point I'm trying to get at is that if you smoked one cigaret your body would heal very quickly, if you smoked 100 cigarets in your lifetime your body would recover, even if you smoked 1000 cigarets in your life time your body would recover back to full health. And 1000 cigarets is not enough to get you addicted before you start. Now take second hand smoke, that smoke has dispersed into the air so you are only getting a portion of that draw on the cigaret, the size of portion depending on the area of container you are in. So unless in the circumstances above (sorry I forgot to include a pregnant mother smoking, appologies) you are never going to recieve any damage worth mentioning from passive smoke.
The reason that smoking CAN and not DOES cause lung cancer is because of the long time expossure to the harmful chemicals (all of them) in a cigaret so the body does can't recover because it is constantly fighting it and doesn't get enough of a break to fix the problem. But for you non-smokers this is not a problem.
If you've gotten this far before just giving up and continuing to shout rubbish without acctually listening to anyone else then thank you for reading.
I've got a few other things to bring up though.
Firstly why is smoking "discusting"? I don't quite get that. Stupid and harmful but disgusting? A fat guy scratching his arse is disgusting, mushy peas are discusting, slimey things are discusting I don't get why smoking his discusting.
Secondly hopefully Ive now educated the people who for some reason think that people smoking outside are not harming you.... unless they have a gun.
Thirdly, why should we pay more tax than we already do? We already pay a stupid amount of Tax anyway, why more. Why shouldn't fat people pay for two seats then? Raise drink tax aswell while your at it. What about people into extreme sports, thats dangerous. Raise VAT on snowboards. Oh and road tax because large fast moving metal boxes are pretty dangerous to, especially if a drunk is behind it. Oh and what about guns? Scissors? Really, there are much worse things out there than smokers. Where not really doing anything wrong so can't people just leave us in peice?
Sorry for the vast amounts of grammatical errors in this, I'm not very good in that area. So please don't be a grammar nazi, I know it's shit already. And everyone knows that correcting grammar is a pathetic cop out from thinking of a comeback.
