Poll: Should there be a black bond?

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Amnestic

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nilcypher said:
Rooster Cogburn said:
As was said, "M" is a codename. It was explained in Goldeneye (right?) that there was a new "M," and her gender was even made note of.
Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are a reboot of the Bond franchise, as evidenced by Bond being made into a double-oh agent near the beginning, and yet the female M stays.
Poor writing/continuity awareness on the part of the director and writers, I guess. Assuming it's the same M that starred in the Pierce Brosnan films, honestly I can't remember as it's been a while since I watched any Bond films, not seen Quantum of Solace yet either.

And yes, Bond should be made black and a woman and a lesbian and both mentally *and* physically disabled. He should be part asian as well. And a scientologist.

And a mutant.

No? I'll stick with my white male Bond the way he was written then.
 

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James Bond's history never changes, he's the same man always. Drinking heavily and womanizing aren't part of MI6 Training. Bond is a Orphan, whose parents died in a rock-climbing accident. He was raised by the state and the only thing important to him is the duty. That's it. The death of his wife, the one woman he ever loved, is integral to the character. No matter how it appears in any of the stories after that point, no matter WHAT, Bond never loves again. Never connects again. He is damaged goods. He knows his time is running out. He drinks, smokes, womanizes, because it won't be those things that get him. He won't live long enough ti die of liver failure. He is one man and even though most people are exposed to his timeline completely out of order, it's important to keep it as close as possible to the original stories. That's why a lot of movies that aren't based on Fleming's novels (see: Moonraker) really bug me.

The character happens to by white, and changing him to black serves no purpose. If you're going to change James Bond, you better have a good goddamn reason.

That said, Black MI6 agent? Absolutely works. But he can't just be Bond, he needs his own story to tell and his own reason for strapping on the tux.
 

Amnestic

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his own reason for strapping on the tux.
Because he's a snappy dresser who looks awesome in a tux. Does he need any more reason to dress up? I sure don't!
 

Solo508

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No. James Bond has his roots as a British special forces agent around 1920. Most new James Bond films are based around todays times so I guess its possible, but do you remember the uneasy atmosphere just byhaving a Bond with blonde hair? I don't think we will see a black guy anytime soon.
 

Logan Westbrook

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It can't possibly be the same M as from the Brosnan films unless she quit for a very long time and was then rehired.

As for the rest of your post, I think you might just be straw-manning me now. I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.

A female Bond might be cool though, imagine that character re-imagined as a woman... with the right writer and director, that could be amazing.
 

Iron Mal

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In my opinion, it's not that there can't be a black Bond (I'm sure there will be some day, no doubt about it) it's more that it just wouldn't seem 'right'. Traditionally, Bond was a British MI6 agent protecting the free world from Communist countries like Russia and China (this has changed to protecting us from terrorism in the modern day), on top of all this he was also a classic 'British Gentleman' (male, white, middle-upper class, well educated and respectable).

What if we had a white guy do Huggy Bear in Startsky and Hutch? There's nothing saying that it can't happen but something would just strange about it.
 

Amnestic

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As for the rest of your post, I think you might just be straw-manning me now. I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.
Not you specifically, I was just mentioning everything I possibly could to tick off the Politically Correct list. I *think* I got everything. Understand that suggestion wasn't remotely serious nor was I using it as an argument.

It can't possibly be the same M as from the Brosnan films unless she quit for a very long time and was then rehired.
I was referring to the actress more than the character. If it's the same actress (which you seem to have implied it is by that) then I'm gonna throw blame on the directors/writers for screwing up continuity. Most ridiculous I must say.

A female Bond might be cool though, imagine that character re-imagined as a woman... with the right writer and director, that could be amazing.
I'd be interested in how they handle the womanizing aspect of his/her character definetly, whether they'd keep it as is or switch it to manizing.

Honestly I've not really got an issue with a black Bond as long as it's well written and it's a good actor. I don't see it happening in the near future simply due to the fans though and thus the Directors will be apprehensive to make such a bold move. If they pull it off it could be a defining point in their career, however it's more likely that people would hate it simply for changing a pre-established character in such a dramatic way.
 

Galletea

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I don't see why there shouldn't be a black Bond. There are plenty of aspects that separate the Bond films from any other types, so it wouldn't alter anything too much. Of course it would have to be a good actor to pull it off, and perhaps a decent screenplay wouldn't hurt next time too.
SnowCold said:
Answer me this first: should their be a white Mr. T?
I thought so...
That is totally different. James Bond is a fictional character, Mr T is a real live caricature.
 

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nilcypher said:
I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.
Despite the fact that Ian Fleming wrote the character as a white male?
 

Amnestic

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KSarty said:
nilcypher said:
I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.
Despite the fact that Ian Fleming wrote the character as a white male?
Is being White essential to his character though? That's what the real question is.
 

ZakuII

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No. Not least of all because Flemming commissioned an image of Bond as he imagined him, in which he is clearly white. Bond is what he is, and there's no significant or meaningful reason to change that.
 

SirSchmoopy

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No, make something else if you want a black bond. I have nothing against race but honestly it's just out of place and not the character. Why potentially ruin a good thing by turning it black?


Unless the casting was pretty much "perfect", I wouldn't even bother seeing a black james bond because that would some what take away from my memories of james bond growing up. This is like saying "IS IT TIME FOR A CAT INSTEAD OF A MOUSE FOR MICKEY MOUSE... ER MICKEY CAT".


Again, just make a spy movie with a black guy. There you go. Don't go taking a perfectly fine IP and SPICING IT UP. That shit doesn't need spice. Next were gonna be turning Bond into a woman or a talking pig.
 

KSarty

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Amnestic said:
KSarty said:
nilcypher said:
I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.
Despite the fact that Ian Fleming wrote the character as a white male?
Is being White essential to his character though? That's what the real question is.
Why wouldn't it be?! Thats the way he was written, the way the author intended.
 

Littaly

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SHOULD is a bad choice of word. I would be fine with a black (or asian, or latino or marsian) Bond for as long as they chose actor based on who portrayed the role best, not his skin color (or planetary heritage).
 

Amnestic

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KSarty said:
Amnestic said:
KSarty said:
nilcypher said:
I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.
Despite the fact that Ian Fleming wrote the character as a white male?
Is being White essential to his character though? That's what the real question is.
Why wouldn't it be?! Thats the way he was written, the way the author intended.
He could be written wearing a black tux with left handed buttons, is it essential or can they change it to a dark blue tux with right handed buttons? It's a purely cosmetic change, surely, and if that's all it is, why would it matter if he's black or white?
 

sirdanrhodes

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nilcypher said:
It can't possibly be the same M as from the Brosnan films unless she quit for a very long time and was then rehired.

As for the rest of your post, I think you might just be straw-manning me now. I won't dispute that there are some quintessential characteristics that make Bond, but I wouldn't have said being white was one of them.

A female Bond might be cool though, imagine that character re-imagined as a woman... with the right writer and director, that could be amazing.
You mean he has a sex change...