I could accept a black bond, but why stop there, why not make him female, and blind, with only one leg. Now that would be interesting to see how they film that one 
Poll: Should there be a black bond?
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If Bond becomes black, does that mean Shaft becomes white? I certainly hope not we should keep Bond white and if they want to create a black super spy call him something else or hell he could even be a friend of Bond but by no means should there be a black Bond.
No, simply because there is no reason for Bond to go through such a drastic change of character. Bond was written as a white British spy; changing him to a black British spy serves no purpose whatsoever other than to shut up the Politically Correct Gestapo, something that I hate in the first place. Bond has been white for all these decades, there is no reason why that should be changed just to shut up a small minority of people crying that not making every established character in pop culture black is racial bigotry.
Look at it this way. If we make a black Bond, then why can't we make Bond a Native American spy for the CIA? Hell, why don't we turn James Bond into a promiscuous woman named Jenny Bond? Hell, why don't we turn it on its head and make Bond a Russian spy for the KGB during the Cold War? See what I'm getting at here? If you let one major change like that, then that opens up the possibility of changing the character so much in later iterations that they hardly resemble the original source material. People need to just leave major things like this the way they are without fearing the idiots who claim that every time a character isn't black then that means everyone is racist.
There is absolutely no reason why we suddenly need to make James Bond black after all this time. It will do nothing but piss off long time fans with such a drastic change.
Look at it this way. If we make a black Bond, then why can't we make Bond a Native American spy for the CIA? Hell, why don't we turn James Bond into a promiscuous woman named Jenny Bond? Hell, why don't we turn it on its head and make Bond a Russian spy for the KGB during the Cold War? See what I'm getting at here? If you let one major change like that, then that opens up the possibility of changing the character so much in later iterations that they hardly resemble the original source material. People need to just leave major things like this the way they are without fearing the idiots who claim that every time a character isn't black then that means everyone is racist.
There is absolutely no reason why we suddenly need to make James Bond black after all this time. It will do nothing but piss off long time fans with such a drastic change.
I always thought his codename would be '007'.Rankao said:
Anyway, I don't believe there should be a black bond - it's like having an American Doctor Who.
One more thing I'd like to add:
Why is there such an outcry to see black versions of popular characters? Nick Fury is black now, for example, and we keep hearing people asking for a black Bond. Why? Is it because Obama is going to be our new president? Why are so many people saying we need a black version of -insert popular character- all of a sudden? People cry racism every time they make a character from a different ethnic group white, so why is it suddenly fine to "blackify" characters that were white?
This is why I hate the whole topic of race. There are tons of double standards and hypocrisy. Just leave characters the way they were written and shut up.
Why is there such an outcry to see black versions of popular characters? Nick Fury is black now, for example, and we keep hearing people asking for a black Bond. Why? Is it because Obama is going to be our new president? Why are so many people saying we need a black version of -insert popular character- all of a sudden? People cry racism every time they make a character from a different ethnic group white, so why is it suddenly fine to "blackify" characters that were white?
This is why I hate the whole topic of race. There are tons of double standards and hypocrisy. Just leave characters the way they were written and shut up.
It's bad. M was able to get away with becoming a woman because A) We assume it's a change of command, and B) She isn't exactly a main character of the movies.
Bond however, there is only one. Changing him too much would be non-canon. I'd hate to see them change him just to be politically correct. Would they make Bond a girl or homosexual? No, because it's not his character. It's not James Bond.
To the above post, Nick Fury was black in the Ultimate comics. He was black a long time. Now Sam Jackson playing him... ohhhhh yeah!
Bond however, there is only one. Changing him too much would be non-canon. I'd hate to see them change him just to be politically correct. Would they make Bond a girl or homosexual? No, because it's not his character. It's not James Bond.
To the above post, Nick Fury was black in the Ultimate comics. He was black a long time. Now Sam Jackson playing him... ohhhhh yeah!
Yes, he looks like this:Sexual Harassment Panda said:
That's right, he looks like six completely different people.
Wait, seven:
[img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/David_niven_in_casino_royal.jpg]
No wait, eight:
[img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Barry_Nelson.jpg]
As you can see, we definitely know what Bond looks like. He looks like eight different people, specifically four English men, one Scot, one Aussie, one American and a guy from Ireland.
Admittedly all of these men are white, but that doesn't mean the next man has to be, and if we're going off what Ian Fleming wrote, Bond should also be nearly ninety, as his date of birth, as Fleming wrote it, is somewhere around 1920.
I think they should stick to the original character. If he's going to be black let's have him being Asian as well what the hell. Let's fuck up another character concept for the sake of political fairness. This "fab" of political correct is starting to get out of hand and on my nerves.
I think you mean 'fad'.Ronwue said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 'THE NEXT JAMES BOND MUST BE BLACK!", I'm just saying that if it was handled right, the next James Bond could be black.
Nil, before I saw the reinvention of Felix Leiter, I'd disagree. After...it is possible, but it would be rather tricky to successfully pull off.nilcypher said:
Plus (here's me trying despriately not to make this sound racist) you'd have to pull off the fact that he sleeps with a million women. White Bond: the audience thinks he's swave, cool, chrismatic. Black Bond: as the stereotype goes (not my opinion) he must be a pimp and/or Will Smith.thebobmaster said:
But that's not the issue I'm worried with. It just seems like the only reason for them to change is due to becomming more PC. It's unnessassry to make huge changes like this. Bond stories are all samey and familiar. Changing it would scare too many people.
nilcypher can you please tell me if my following post is racist / flaming and I will edit and leave this thread.
Jesus is portrayed as white in most "pictures" of him but the book was written about a guy from a central arab area. I'm not saying Bond should be black but it has been done before in the past and no-one seemed to mind, or is it just when somebody white is played by a black person that things seem to be seen as bad?
Jesus is portrayed as white in most "pictures" of him but the book was written about a guy from a central arab area. I'm not saying Bond should be black but it has been done before in the past and no-one seemed to mind, or is it just when somebody white is played by a black person that things seem to be seen as bad?
Urgh... that Spawn movie was a travesty to the entire concept of Spawn in so many ways.Infernalistgamer said:
Bond should be a suave, English, male, womanising, secret agent. Beyond that I don't see why he shouldn't be black, but I can see one reason why he should. When I first saw the queston, I just couldn't imagine it. I seriously could not (and still can not) picture a 'suave' black man in a movie. This isn't because I am racist in any way, but because I have been force-fed enough stereotypes in my 32 years that whenever I see a black guy in a film now I either expect a wise-cracking side-kick or a serious, humourless hero with a troubled past. And for that matter... when I see an Asian I either expect a computer whizz who is helping the hero or some socially awkward dude who is about to high-kick some violent thugs into a load of garbage cans.
Looking over this thread I don't think I am alone in having these mindsets jammed into my conciousness.
It's time to tear these kinds of stereotypes down. 'I Spy' kind of tried it by having Eddie Murphy as the suave spy and Owen Wilson as the whacky side-kick, but the fact the film stank and the had no real depth to its characters meant it did very little to change my pre-conceptions.
No bond is british and is white in the other films that would be weird if the next plastic surgury he has makes him black
Well, I have nothing against having a black super spy character who's identical to bond in attitude and aplomb, changing 007's ethnicity at this point in the game seems a little silly.
race changes have occured in established media - Harvey Dent in batman for instance changed form black to white, and catwoman in the original 60s show changed from white to black to white again... It has been done.. but never with characters as iconic as James Bond.
race changes have occured in established media - Harvey Dent in batman for instance changed form black to white, and catwoman in the original 60s show changed from white to black to white again... It has been done.. but never with characters as iconic as James Bond.
I'm continually baffled by this idea that Bond should be white because Bond has always been white in the past. The franchise is constantly getting retcons and updates. Are we supposed to believe that it's the same Bond who fights Soviet assassins in 'From Russia with Love' as the Bond who battles the XKR driving villain in 'Die Another Day'? Even at the most conservative estimate, there is a 17 year gap between the two, and yet Bond has seemingly barely aged.*
I think with just a few lines, you could bring in a black James Bond and get away with it. For example:
M: (Hands Bond a Walther P99) I don't mind telling you 007, you have a lot to live up to.
Bond: (Looks at the pistol for a moment) I'm well aware of that sir. (Holsters the gun)
or
Bond: The name's Bond, James Bond.
Bond Girl: Funny, I always thought you were white.
Bond: (Smiles wryly)I get that a lot.
*(For reference, my conservative estimate has 'From Russia with Love' set in 1989, just before the fall of the Soviet Union, and 'Die Another Day' set in 1996 which is the first year the Jaguar XKR was available)
I think with just a few lines, you could bring in a black James Bond and get away with it. For example:
M: (Hands Bond a Walther P99) I don't mind telling you 007, you have a lot to live up to.
Bond: (Looks at the pistol for a moment) I'm well aware of that sir. (Holsters the gun)
or
Bond: The name's Bond, James Bond.
Bond Girl: Funny, I always thought you were white.
Bond: (Smiles wryly)I get that a lot.
*(For reference, my conservative estimate has 'From Russia with Love' set in 1989, just before the fall of the Soviet Union, and 'Die Another Day' set in 1996 which is the first year the Jaguar XKR was available)
