*Poll: Should there be a liscense to use the Internet? *read before voting

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bl4ckh4wk64

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While I agree with the basic ideas behind your idea, I disagree with the test in general. Who can be a proper judge of maturity? That really seems like more power than the internet right there. Instead, how about a system where the people who know things can provide proof to back up their claims, where they can publicly embarrass the dumbasses making comments like those that you mentioned. How about a "Hall of Shame" on certain websites showcasing the extremely retarded or offensive things people have said pertaining to those things? Most people on the internet actually care about their web identity, if you find a way to make a couple of holes in their barrier of anonymity, they might stop.
 

Eisenfaust

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so you want to restrict their access to free media based on their opinions? real nice...
 

Azrael the Cat

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bl4ckh4wk64 said:
While I agree with the basic ideas behind your idea, I disagree with the test in general. Who can be a proper judge of maturity? That really seems like more power than the internet right there. Instead, how about a system where the people who know things can provide proof to back up their claims, where they can publicly embarrass the dumbasses making comments like those that you mentioned. How about a "Hall of Shame" on certain websites showcasing the extremely retarded or offensive things people have said pertaining to those things? Most people on the internet actually care about their web identity, if you find a way to make a couple of holes in their barrier of anonymity, they might stop.
Not saying I agree with the idea, but surely the starting points for 'who chooses' are obvious: parliament, the courts, and the same process that we do with television, film and literature.
 

Arcane Azmadi

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Funny, I was just thinking about how much the internet has done to promote the rise of the Troll- people who actively STRIVE to be hateful, worthless, evil-minded little scum who have no objective in life other than to be as nasty and annoying and spiteful as possible. Yeah, I think it should be licensed, because I don't believe in freedom of speech or freedom of expression. I believe in the old adage "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and I think it should be ENFORCED.

Azrael the Cat said:
Bags159 said:
SkyrimOrBust said:
It's a privilege. It should be able to be revoked. Though I don't see issuing Internet licenses as practical.
Your right to be a dick in public can't be revoked, see the West Baptist church. I don't see why the internet should be different. I don't support people being dicks but I support their right to be dicks. (Okay, the WBC go too far, but unfortunately we can't stop them legally)

"I may not agree with what you have to say but I'll defend your right to say it until the day I die"
Actually, that's pretty much just an American thing - don't think for an instant that 'freedom of goddamn stupid speech' is necessary for liberal democracy elsewhere. In Australia we get by just fine with freedom of political speech - i.e. if something could plausibly be of relevance to the democratic process, then it is constitutionally protected. So a group that constructs an argument (even a terribad one) that immigrants should not be allowed from certain countries is protected, but a group that goes 'lol, Asians should die in a fire' or 'one less ***** in the world' is NOT protected. We can and do stop groups like the WBC without blinking an eyelid. Just for a start, they'd be in clear violation of Racial Discrimination Act (covers religion/culture as well). They'd be sued and prosecuted for public nuisance and disorderly conduct. They'd also be criminal liable and in jail for inciting hatred. And they'd still be perfectly protected in participating in the democratic process by making the same (godawful) points in a calm and appropriate manner. We have groups with the same sort of views, and they get to participate in the democratic process too. But they don't get to picket funerals, disrupt schools and interrupt others' personal lives in grossly unreasonable ways when doing so is plainly unnecessary (and arguably detrimental) to stating their case. Frankly, I prefer our democracy any day.

Even Voltaire's idea of free speech was grounded in its relevance to democratic process, not in some moral right to public dickheadedness. And yes, in the adult world you'll find that having people appointed/voted to be the arbiters of what is reasonable by others is a standard part of social existence.
Q.E.D
 

The Gnome King

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Hectix777 said:
Now before you get on your high horse and say, "that's like Naziism the Internet is built foe the free exchange of information, building relationships with people in other countries, and," blah, blah, blah. Look, I'm just saying, some people prove too immature to use the Internet.
No, I do not support needing a "license" to get on the internet; there is no need for one and it opens up too much potential for government abuse.

You misspelled "repercussions" in your poll; the Escapist forum rules, I believe, specifically ask you to spell-check your posts. Is this something that you think should get you booted off these forums? (I don't personally, I'm just pointing out that every website/forum/community has its own feeling and culture; The Escapist does a pretty good job of moderating the worst offenders with its human moderators and a report feature. Why complicate something that is working?)

The point I'm trying to make is this - things such as "politeness" and "civility" are relative and subjective to the person witnessing the behavior. One man's polite is another man's sugar-coated nonsense.

There is a site called RPGCodex with basically NO moderation where as far as I can tell people get off on being the biggest jerks they possibly can be to one another, and sometimes I frequent that site. It's amusing to me to see all the e-peen contests and wailing and gnashing of teeth over gaming-related issues. Under your "internet license" plan, RPGCodex would probably cease to exist. ;) And that would be a loss, because they have a unique culture over there - not one that I choose to participate in often or in the same way than many of the regulars do - but it's a different neighborhood than the moderated Escapist with its "don't be an asshole" rule.

The point is, I can *choose* which sites I visit. I actually like knowing which people are jerks and 11 year olds right from the get-go - because I can ignore them. I don't have to respond to their comments or really care what they say. (Not saying I wouldn't listen to, say, a particularly wise 11 year old.)

At 32 years old, most of the people I talk to on "gaming" sites are less mature than me in both the physical and emotional sense, from what I can tell - but certainly not all. I've met my fair share of people in the least likely places who seem absolutely heads and tails above me in overall maturity and politeness. :) If *I* were to be in charge of handing out licenses, who is to say I wouldn't, for example, only hand out licenses to those over 25 years of age, believing that anyone 24 and under should be focusing on gaining some wisdom and life experience before they go posting to the internet?

I might believe this or I might not, but why should I get to make the call for other people?

Nah, leave the internet the vast un-licensed wilderness that it is. I think it's a great place and I for one am not willing to trade my freedom for security. We take precautions when we get online, we make adult choices about what we spend time looking at; and for Pete's sake - don't go following inane links that are likely to upset you. If you know somebody is a jerk from a post they make about, say, another country going through a disaster - avoid them.

Just as you would avoid jerks in real life. I mean, one might as well require a "license to leave your home" because some people in real life are jerks. There are bars in this city where you can basically go to on any night and get into a drunken brawl if you want - and there are other establishments where you can go for a quiet beer or dinner out where fighting almost never happens.

Just like on the internet.
 

Liudeius

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No.

Many of those idiots saying things like "Japan deserved this" are not actually young. They are just Christian extremists or radical Republicans.

While things like age restrictions that work on some content would be nice, that is up to the parent to be responsible and prevent their child from accessing that stuff.
 

Raven's Nest

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I do think there needs to be more security involved with the internet and especially where personal information and children are concerned.

Things like age controls etc need to really be upheld as much as possible. Realistically it might be impossible however.

I also believe there shouldn't be complete anonymity on the Internet. It's fine for posts etc but if possible I think all IP's should be logged and traced to try and reduce fraud, child abuse and terrorism etc.

Trying to stop 11 year old posting immature comments by demanding some kind of test though is just stupid...
 

Flare Phoenix

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No, because it is impossible to regulate. You know that option where it says "Are you over 13"? Yeah, anyone who wants to get in will just say they are even if they're not. Besides, how would you test for something like that?
 

Jonluw

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Here's an idea: Maybe parents should keep track of wat their children are doing, instead of opening up the possibility of blocking large sections of the internet for everyone at will?

There are such things as parental filters.