Poll: Should We Be Able To Use Any Substance (drug) We Want?

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Seanchaidh

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Jimmyjames said:
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After the end of prohibition? No. I'm not kidding that ending prohibition reduced the profitability of organized crime.
You're trying to tell me there was less organized crime after the end of prohibition? Do a little research.
Why don't you?
 
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Agreed for the most part, but I am against decriminalization for the reason that (as you stated) not enough research has been done on the effects of many drugs that many are wanting to be legalized.
Problem being that until they're decriminalised, the Doctors can't do meaningful tests on them. Marijuana has already proven to be one of the best natural relaxants for the pain of cancer etc. but we can't do proper clinical trials because of the legality issues.
Ether/Nitrous Oxide have been proven to be carciogenic to my knowledge.
I know some major universities have done studies with marijuana, but I am not sure how recent they are.
The Independent did a "taste" test on the different versions of marijuana, but it collapsed due to the obvious reasons. Unfortunately it's not online, that I could find, but it's hilarious.

Unfortunately, with the banning of tobacco in Amsterdam, you can't get marijuana in coffee shops anymore, as the uncut version is far too strong for anyone bar Jamacians to smoke.

However, we may soon see who's right and wrong thanks to Mexico.
A controversial new law decriminalising the possession of small amounts of heroin, marijuana, cocaine and other illicit substances was quietly slipped on to the statute books in Mexico yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/heroin-and-cocaine-now-legal-in-mexico-ndash-in-small-doses-1776792.html
 

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How our society thinks:

Scenerio#1
Govt: Don't Do Heroin!

Human: Fuck authority, I do my own thing! I will do as much heroin as I possibly can before passing out and dieing in a pool of my own urine! That is way hardcore! ROCK AND ROLL! WOOOOOO!

Scenerio #2
Govt: Do Any Drugs You Want.

Human: I may drink a little, or try some weed, but heroin sounds like bad shit. I don't think it would be a good idea for me to have any.



Personally, I think that kind of thing may happen.
The Holland experiment backs that up completely too. Holland, that little country in Europe now known for it's 'coffee shops' has seen LESS and LESS harmful drug use since it decriminalised all personal drug use. Even the hard drugs, which are still technically illegal but not prison-able offences, has decreased since the legalisation of cannabis and focusing on heavier drug use being a medical problem as opposed to a criminal one.
 

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As long as it doesn't affect me, I don't give a shit what people do. If it makes you happy, do it.
 

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On the provision you decide to exempt yourself from all sorts of aid, e.g. Medical, welfare etc., then go for your life. However if you still wish to benefit from other members of society don't take drugs
 

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I'd say we should use the drugs we want, but that the government should sell it. I'd say if you want to mess up your life you should be allowed to do that, but then again if you choose to use it you wont get anything from the government to help you get out of it. If you've managed to mess up your life with youur own choices let it be that way.
 

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Seanchaidh said:
Why don't you?
Why don't you SUCKIT. I'm not the one making ridiculously speculative claims. Do you know what the word "SPECULATIVE" means? That's what you're being.
 

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Jimmyjames said:
Seanchaidh said:
Why don't you?
Why don't you SUCKIT. I'm not the one making ridiculously speculative claims. Do you know what the word "SPECULATIVE" means? That's what you're being.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Al+Capone&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=ac72bcecad7dd685

Educate thyself, asshole.
 

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http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Al+Capone&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=ac72bcecad7dd685

Educate thyself, asshole.
OK, Al Capone. So what's your point? Ever heard of John Gotti and the Gambino crime family? Wanna take a look at how extensive their network was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti
 

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Yes. People will never stop doing drugs. It is simple as night and day. Fighting to get people to stop is utterly hopeless. Prohibition of any kind has always been an utter epic failure. So, what is a government to do? To legalize and regulate the drugs is the only answer that is logical. It is a huge waste of time and tax payer dollars to do otherwise.

Also, Prohibition of said drugs is the reason that a black market for said drugs even exists. The second that Prohibition over alcohol ended the Mafia and crime syndicates lost their corner on the market. It was over for them. Legalizing and regulating would kill the criminal element associated with drugs. America for example would literally save tens of billions of dollars every year from legalizing and regulating.
 

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If one wants to get high in the privacy of his or her own home, and damages no one by doing so, I see not a single reason to deny said person of that right. After all, what do I have to do what them? Nothing if they don't bother me with their drug use. So go ahead, get as high as a kite.
Jinx_Dragon said:
The Holland experiment backs that up completely too. Holland, that little country in Europe now known for it's 'coffee shops' has seen LESS and LESS harmful drug use since it decriminalised all personal drug use. Even the hard drugs, which are still technically illegal but not prison-able offences, has decreased since the legalisation of cannabis and focusing on heavier drug use being a medical problem as opposed to a criminal one.
It's indeed one of the few Dutch things I'm proud of. It's kind of cool to see that a country where cannabis use is legal has a lower percentage of cannabis user than the USA, a country where cannabis use is illegal.
 

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Jimmyjames said:
Seanchaidh said:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Al+Capone&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=ac72bcecad7dd685

Educate thyself, asshole.
OK, Al Capone. So what's your point? Ever heard of John Gotti and the Gambino crime family? Wanna take a look at how extensive their network was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti
Gee, it'd be nice if that link actually stated how extensive that network was. Needless to say, if that's all that it is, that pales in comparison to our friend Al.

Here's something about Al:

http://worldvisitguide.com/oeuvre/O0028703.html said:
(some estimates were that between 1925 and 1930 the Capone organization was grossing $100 million a year)
$100 million a year! Does John Gotti even come close to that?

Here's something about organized crime in general:

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0860165.html said:
The organized-crime syndicate in the United States is a product of the prohibition era of the early 20th cent. The efforts of federal officials to enforce the unpopular Volstead Act (see Volstead, Andrew Joseph) of 1920 generated the growth of highly organized bootlegging rings with nationwide and international contacts. Although loose alliances were joined among such groups as the Al Capone mob of Chicago, the Detroit Purple gang, and the Owney Madden ring of New York City, gang wars and gangland killings were distinctive features of the 1920s. Powerful gangs corrupted local law-enforcement agencies, even gaining access to high-ranking judges and politicians, such as mayors Frank Hague in Jersey City, N.J., and James J. (Jimmy) Walker in New York City.

Ultimately public revulsion, furthered by the Wickersham Commission investigation of 1930 (see Wickersham, George Woodward) as well as by many municipal exposés (such as that of Judge Samuel Seabury in New York City), led to a crackdown on political corruption. After the repeal (1933) of prohibition, surviving organized crime leaders turned to new avenues of profitable crime, such as labor racketeering, gambling, and narcotics traffic.
Surviving organized crime leaders turned to new avenues of profitable crime. Notice the word. That means there were less of them after prohibition ended. In fact, it implies a causal link to there being less of them, not just some weird coincidence.

Also notice the word 'distinctive.' A distinctive feature is one that makes something different from other comparable things. If gang wars/killings were distinctive features of the 1920s, that means that there was more of it in that decade than preceding or following decades.

I gave you two chances to not look like a jackass and you failed to take advantage of either of them. "SPECULATION! SPECULATION!" he blathered. Good lord.
 

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....a waste of my time AND your time..
Let me put it all out there: I don't care. I despise arguing on the internet. Why? I'm not about to waste an hour of my time researching something to prove something to someone I don't know or give the tiniest shit about. Also, if you think you look like any less of a jackass than I do, you're kidding yourself.
 

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Depends if your in a relaxed state or not, then again if you start taking it, you'll use it no matter what mood your in. Yeha sure it might be fun and ahppy when you ARE happy, but when your in a bad mood, apparently, it worsens your mood. Plus I wouldn't trust anyone on drugs. So no overall from me.
 

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Jimmyjames said:
Seanchaidh said:
....a waste of my time AND your time..
Let me put it all out there: I don't care. I despise arguing on the internet. Why? I'm not about to waste an hour of my time researching something to prove something to someone I don't know or give the tiniest shit about. Also, if you think you look like any less of a jackass than I do, you're kidding yourself.
1)I'm certainly not kidding myself, and that is because I'm not a jackass and wrong.

2)You tell me that you despise arguing on the internet. I don't believe you.

You're trying to tell me there was less organized crime after the end of prohibition? Do a little research.
OK, Al Capone. So what's your point? Ever heard of John Gotti and the Gambino crime family? Wanna take a look at how extensive their network was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti
Your claim just doesn't pass the smell test. Also, it didn't take me anywhere close to an hour to do such extensive research. It was ten minutes, tops.

Summary: you hate arguing on the internet, but apparently like to repeatedly make sarcastic comments and allege that people are speculating about stuff you don't know anything about.
 

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Summary: you hate arguing on the internet, but apparently like to repeatedly make sarcastic comments and allege that people are speculating about stuff you don't know anything about.
Well, OK- you got me. I just don't like YOU.

Oh, I also don't like internet experts. You know the type, letting links and quotes do the talking for them.
 

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Long as death isn't part of what can happen if you overdose, then sure lets use that substance to the max. Weed is harmful, but at least it wont kill you if you smoke a lot of it at once.
 

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Jimmyjames said:
Oh, I also don't like internet experts. You know the type, letting links and quotes do the talking for them.
I think I do know the type!

Ever heard of John Gotti and the Gambino crime family? Wanna take a look at how extensive their network was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti