Poll: Should we fear aliens?

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Aphroditty said:
A rhetorical question, was not in expectance of a reply, but good answer. However, they would suffer the same issue as the British during the Revolutionary War, it's impossible to beat an opponent that's so far from your home. That problem no longer exists for us today when fighting on the same planet, but even if they were in the nearest solar system to ours, I doubt even FTL travel would allow them to reach us quickly. Although maybe 2012 is the year they arrive to have a beat down. har har
 

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Well the only way we could possibly travel as far as to find new life would be to stop killing each other. If we saved the money we spend on weapons and armies.
I think the same would apply to any other race out there in the universe. So why wouldn't they be peaceful.
If they are intelligent enough to be able to travel millions of light years I'm sure they figured out that killing each other leads no-where. And that burning oil is a bad move :p
 

War Penguin

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Chances are yes, if aliens find us, it could end in trouble for us.

However, in human nature, when two cultures meet, there is usually conflict, and the more advanced wins. That's human nature. We don't know about aliens.

But either way, we should be careful.
 

UnmotivatedSlacker

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AMMO Kid said:
Aliens don't exist.
If life exists on this planet, why is it so hard to believe life could exist elsewhere? I find it a little bit arrogant for anyone to believe we're the only planet with life on it when we honestly know very little about the universe.
OT: If an alien race has the technology to come here with ease, they can most likely kick our collective asses, but who's to say they won't be friendly.
 

Therumancer

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As I've said a number of times:

Just because Aliens possess space travel technology does not mean that they are also going to be more advanced than us in all other areas as well. The assumption that this has to be the case is based on the believe that scientific progress is linear, and will be the same for everyone. This is not, and never has been the case.

Scienctific development is primarily guided by the imagination, in general people come up with ideas and then try and find scientific ways of making those ideas a reality. In the course of pursueing that goal, a lot of things are typically discovered by accident. For example there is an entire field of laser technology out there that has influanced everything from medicine, to communications, to visual arts like holograms. All of this was discovered because someone thought zapping ants with a lens was cool, and it would be neat to make a weapon that could do the same thing to people. The rest of the technologies were found playing around with focused beams of light, trying to achieve an imaginitive goal (which people are still working on, the lasers get smaller and more powerful every generation). The odd thing is that there are more efficient ways to kill, but lasers captured the imagination.

The thing is that an Alien species might have had OTHER ideas capture their imagination instead and missed entire areas of scientific inquiry. Space travel might simply be a side effect of another area of research that never captured humanity's imagination.

By the same token, for there to be conflict with aliens there needs to be something to fight over. It's a big assumption to assume that Aliens will want, or need, the same things we do. A species of sentinent, tentlecle equipped floating gasbags that breathe argon for example might have entirely differant needs for colonization from humanity, and have developed tech from an entirely differant perspective using resources that don't conflict with ours... basically, an entirely differant ecosystem.

What's more I feel that to some extent any sentinent being of sufficient advancement is going to ask a lot of questions about morality, the nature of the universe, etc... As the world has advanced for us, moral codes have also changed, arguably one of the big weaknesses we face is simply becoming TOO moral to function effectively. That could very well be a problem for alien species as well.

To put things into perspective, today someone who talks about using a "total war" doctrine (which I do frequently) in current conflicts is a minority opinion. On top of this for all pretensions of empire it takes a lot of effort to motivate people to engage in a conflict, a powerful nation deciding "hey, let's go take over these third world nations and steal all their resources" just doesn't happen that much anymore.

What's more one also has to consider that there were a lot of extenuating circumstances in some of those conflicts between vastly more advanced cultures meeting inferior ones centuries ago. While guys like Columbus were arrogant, and treated savages like savages, it should be noted that most of the REAL bloodshed at least in America didn't take place until much later down the road, after events like the "French and Indian War". You can look at other situations in other parts of the world as well, but one of the big issues facing people today is historical re-inventionism, with people trying to change history to meet their feelings of guilt. For example every year around Thanksgiving, you have some party poopers who miss the point and talk about massacres that happened much later down the pipeline, missing the entire point that to begin with the relations between Natives, and early american settlers were very friendly. Indeed some tribes like the Mohegans were *very* close allies for a very long time, however that ended largely due to greed on the side of the Mohegans. While things could have ended better, even after the fact guys like Chief Uncas are local legends down here in Connecticut. There are places like "Uncas' Leap" where he jumped his horse over a waterfall and lived. :p


Now I suppose if you collected the most callous behavior globally and used that exclusively as a profile of "this is definatly what would happen", yeah... we'd be looking at a nightmare situation. But in reality such situations weren't as common as many would have you believe.

The point being that when it comes to alien contact, I'm pretty much willing to roll the dice (so to speak).

The bottom line is that for all theorists which range from scientists like Mr. Hawking, to tons of Science Fiction writers, nobody knows for sure. I actually think the "OMG, they will destroy us" theory is not very likely.

Truthfully I look towards some of Larry Niven's concepts about the "Uplifting" of civilizations as being more likely. The idea being that an alien species becomes the patron of less advanced species, sharing technology, in exchange for a percentage of whatever that species in turn discovers. Creating something of a galactic pyramid scheme of vassals and client races. When your dealing with races that are truely alien, though sentinent, there is probably more to be gained in the long term by doing things this way, than to simply come in with Nova Bombs and forced terraforming... assuming the aliens even have that kind of tech. Again look at my point about imagination and the development of science.... Stargate SG-1 touched on this kind of thing somewhat with The Asgard, and them using humans to help solve problems simply because we thought differantly. Slug throwers being a weapon technology that never occured to The Asgard, and proved unusually effective (to begin with) against The Replicators who were used to fighting species who almost universally developed energy based weapons (although in this case, this runs sort of counter to my earlier point about lasers).

Ah well, enough rambling, for those that read this far the simple version is I think the odds are that Hawking is wrong.
 

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Everyone (within a reasonable range) has had plenty of time to watch life develop on this planet and do something with it (Like three billion years). The fact that they haven't yet pretty solidly states that they don't give a shit.
 

Aphroditty

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SamFisher202 said:
A rhetorical question, was not in expectance of a reply, but good answer. However, they would suffer the same issue as the British during the Revolutionary War, it's impossible to beat an opponent that's so far from your home. That problem no longer exists for us today when fighting on the same planet, but even if they were in the nearest solar system to ours, I doubt even FTL travel would allow them to reach us quickly. Although maybe 2012 is the year they arrive to have a beat down. har har
Your analogy with regards to the Revolutionary War is a flawed one, one two levels. Firstly, the British could have won the Revolutionary War--it was due to outside influences (namely, the French) that the Americans were able to defeat the British. Without French aid a British victory is quite conceivable. Humanity would have no third party to save it if the aliens decided to come after us.

Secondly, it would be nothing like the British versus their colonists. We have no real idea: it could be more like the British with machine guns versus the dodo. Hell, spaceships that can travel the universe at very rapid speeds could conceivably have engines that can burn off our atmosphere, if they so chose, and it's questionable if any of our weapons could stop them. At that point, it doesn't matter how far away they are--the war would last as long as it took for them to reach our planet.
 

metalhead467

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Unless they want to absorb our DNA, there's no real reason for them to declare war on us. Any resources on Earth could be found and gathered infinitely easier on any of the billions of worlds in the universe. Unless they see us as a threat for some reason, I don't think war would be much of an issue.
 

SliverBlade

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I think they won't come in peace and sharing their tech with us, but they won't try to take over our lives either. They've probably already found countless other planets with life and we're just another one with talking monkeys.
 

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Danzaivar said:
If there is another race somewhere out there and they make the effort to reach us, they'll have passed a lot of other planets with more resources (and possibily better atmospheres)
What makes you so confident of that? o0 Earth type planets aren't that abundant are they?

Personally I think we should fear the aliens. We can barely sort ourselves out as it is, and its a big gamble to hope a more advanced race wouldnt harbor any ill intentions towards us.

Hell, I can imagine themselves justifying an invasion easily: humans have been messing up their own planet and might very well be their own doom, dragging every species on the planet down with them. Eradicating this plague on the face of the earth would be the merciful thing to do, the aliens would surely take better care of the planet and put it to good use.

Seriously, we dont look good to an outside race imo :S Short of the aliens having the temperaments of mother theresa, we can expect them to consider us little more then self harming savages.

Edit: Lets not under estimate the value of our planet. Don't want to turn hippie but it IS a valuable prize and will surely tempt any race interested in expansion.
 

diablo523

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I once read a short story about a race of aliens that grew extremely advanced due to their war-like nature. They were constantly at war amongst themselves, and raced to develop technology faster than other members of their kind. They trained themselves extensively in war by warring with each other, and so when they came into contact with other species, they wiped them out without a problem. They moved through the galaxy destroying other civilizations. In the end, turns out that the race is us. Didn't see that coming!*sarcasm*

Anyway, I don't really know whether or not they'll be hostile. If they have an aggressive war-like culture like we do, then potentially yes. If they do not know conflict and strife among themselves, they will not expect hostility from us, and we will have none in return. It's all a matter of the culture that comes to us.
 

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Icehearted said:
Yes, yes we should. In fact, the sexier they are, the more afraid we should be. Sexy aliens are always trouble :/
I didn't say the ugly one's were any better... but at least that one never ate a human :x
 

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Frankster said:
Danzaivar said:
If there is another race somewhere out there and they make the effort to reach us, they'll have passed a lot of other planets with more resources (and possibily better atmospheres)
What makes you so confident of that? o0 Earth type planets aren't that abundant are they?

Personally I think we should fear the aliens. We can barely sort ourselves out as it is, and its a big gamble to hope a more advanced race wouldnt harbor any ill intentions towards us.

Hell, I can imagine themselves justifying an invasion easily: humans have been messing up their own planet and might very well be their own doom, dragging every species on the planet down with them. Eradicating this plague on the face of the earth would be the merciful thing to do, the aliens would surely take better care of the planet and put it to good use.

Seriously, we dont look good to an outside race imo :S Short of the aliens having the temperaments of mother theresa, we can expect them to consider us little more then self harming savages.

Edit: Lets not under estimate the value of our planet. Don't want to turn hippie but it IS a valuable prize and will surely tempt any race interested in expansion.
That's essentially the message of The Day the Earth Stood Still. The original. I don't count the remake as a movie.
Basically they were saying that human beings are a self-destructive race, and so it would be in the best interest of the universe for us to disappear.
 

Chrono212

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Torchwood: Children of Earth, watch it it's the best damn si-fi you would have seen for a long time. But OT:
the aliens there want 10% of the worlds children, which is not subltle, so one of the particularly slimy political characters says in a classic si-fi hero way "humanity will fight for their children" to which the alien replies (somethig like) "more children than we ask for have died in your poorest nations since we were last here"

So basically, until we can gain the moral high ground, any unscrewpulous civilisation could come along and say that what they (the aliens) are doing is not as bad as what we would do to ourselves
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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You need a third option on that poll that says: "To heck if I know!" because that is what I say about this. I hope they come in peace but if they come to conquer, we may very well be screwed. I say we should hope they only communicate to us via the internet prior to landing on our planet.