Poll: Should Xbox Live Be Free?

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dave.OS

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I sold my XBOX360 purely due to my disgust that even though I had paid for both their hardware and their software, I was still not deemed worthy of online play.

I purchased Starcraft 10 years ago, and I can still play that online, free.

Oh well, serves me right for not doing more research into the console before purchasing :)
 

shadow skill

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dave.OS post=9.68405.629677 said:
I sold my XBOX360 purely due to my disgust that even though I had paid for both their hardware and their software, I was still not deemed worthy of online play.

I purchased Starcraft 10 years ago, and I can still play that online, free.

Oh well, serves me right for not doing more research into the console before purchasing :)
Well what you are paying for in term of Xbox live isn't something that MS comes out and tells people.
 

qbert4ever

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Jumplion said:
Conversely, however, have you ever played on PSN? Because if you didn't then you've basically just dug yourself a slight pit that's about waist or so deep, but if you did then that's a nice shield you've got there.
xMacx post=9.68405.629561 said:
I own both, I use both, and I find the live system much better. Better enough that I'm happy with paying.
Unless he edited it after the fact, this might be a good learning experience about online discussions. =)
 

flare09

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As much as I would like for it to be free that would never happen. However a reduced price would be nice.
 

Jumplion

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qbert4ever post=9.68405.629876 said:
Jumplion said:
Conversely, however, have you ever played on PSN? Because if you didn't then you've basically just dug yourself a slight pit that's about waist or so deep, but if you did then that's a nice shield you've got there.
xMacx post=9.68405.629561 said:
I own both, I use both, and I find the live system much better. Better enough that I'm happy with paying.
Unless he edited it after the fact, this might be a good learning experience about online discussions. =)
Well sOrRy for overlooking that one tiny piece of a sentence in a big paragraph! God, you know not everyone is perfect! People make mistakes!! WHY CAN'T I BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!#@![/emo *****] But I still played on LIVE before, and thankyou for finding that piece of information.

It's good to chuckle at yourself once in a while.
 

The Anti Noob

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I think it should be free mostly because Microsoft is so rich. Maybe some servers would be dropped, and service would be a little poorer, but they get money on the cards to get points to download things, the games, the console, and their other products. If they were to make it free, there would be more people wanting to pick up 360s and the games with it, because they want to play the greatness of Live for free.
 

Isaac Dodgson

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Yes, yes, a thousand times yes, if just for the shallow and completely unimportant reason that I like free things, as most males tend to
 

xMacx

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qbert4ever post=9.68405.629876 said:
Jumplion said:
Conversely, however, have you ever played on PSN? Because if you didn't then you've basically just dug yourself a slight pit that's about waist or so deep, but if you did then that's a nice shield you've got there.
xMacx post=9.68405.629561 said:
I own both, I use both, and I find the live system much better. Better enough that I'm happy with paying.
Unless he edited it after the fact, this might be a good learning experience about online discussions. =)
Haaa... that's the problem when I write a wall of text. We should all be constrained to 4 sentences each.

Jumplion - I'll find that article - really a super-interesting read.
 

xMacx

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Here we go: http://research.microsoft.com/osa/apg/trueskill.aspx

check out the page, the links, the subheadings - you can get in as much detail as you want.

Really cool stuff. Awesome that someone was funded to think deeply about how I can play Gears of War on Live and not end up facing off against Pwnmaster5000 every game.
 

shatnershaman

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Eagle Est1986 post=9.68405.628952 said:
shatnershaman post=9.68405.628810 said:
How to pay for XBL

Step one. Don't speed->better mileage->buying less gas-> money for XBL

or

Get a hair cut and get a real job. (and the obscuro-meter goes up another notch!)
Well, as ever shatner, you completely miss the point, your predictability almost surprises me sometimes.
Just had to get the Futurama in somehow. Forums need Futurama like songs need more cowbell.

I did make a valid comment (the part you edited out) it won't be free and it really shouldn't because of Netflix.
 

Pingrash

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There's no chance that they'll make it free but I do wish that more of the game addons on the marketplace where free (eg. oblivion horse armor pack, mini dungeons, etc). I can understand full expansion packs costing but it sucks when addons that are free to download for the PC version cost you for the xbox.
 

TorqueZero

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Interestingly, the Reg recently posted an article on how many servers Microsoft own. To say the least, the stats are staggering. I know that not all the gear is used for XBL, but it does give us an insight into the hardware overhead that MS has to manage. Check this out:


"When totaled all up, you find 15 data centers with 148,357 servers, 17,406 racks and a total power consumption of 72,500KW as of Jan.

But, er, if those numbers are to be believed, then Microsoft runs about 8.5 servers per rack, which seems disheartening in this day and age of bladey goodness.

The Microsoft data centers listed are in locations such as Washington, Dublin, Singapore, Beijing and Amsterdam, Puerto Rico and Tokyo, so they do seem to cover rather global operations. And you'll find Microsoft pumping 9,000 new servers into its centers in Nov. of 2007 and another 15,000 in Jan. This matches with company claims about adding 10,000 servers a month, which should have Microsoft at about 220,000 servers today."

[http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/14/microsoft_servers_count/]
[http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080812/microsoft-enviroment-video-reveals-server-numbers-power/] - original article

OK, so it's impossible to discern what proportion of hardware runs XBL. But that's a staggering amount of power consumption, and the maintenance costs (hiring staff mostly, parts are cheap) must be huge. The actual hardware though, pays for itself very quickly, as I know from experience being a sysadmin. Looking at the stats, I'm starting to think the biggest overhead is in developing the tech eg, Trueskill etc. It works and it works well, but again once this tech is in place it's cheap to run and maintain. MS must be looking at making some substantial profits this far into the console's lifespan.

So it's worth paying the fees to fund the initial investment, from which we reap some good rewards, but surely further down the line we might expect a reduction in the fees to bring the 360 into direct competition with the PSN, Wii and PC online markets? I'm not convinced though that reducing the fees would encourage more people to go over to Gold Subscription.
 

CatmanStu

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Xbox Live isn't all that expensive and, for the most part, is a pretty good service for the price, that said though it should be free.

The industry at the moment is driven by a need to be the coolest kid in the playground. The Wii is the kid sitting on a bench reading while the other kids play football, the Xbox is trying to be the best footballer on the block. The problem is, the other kid is bigger, stronger, faster and more reliable, and the only thing Xbox has going for it costs more than what the other kid has (and the other kid is catching up fast in that area too).

Xbox Live should be free for the sake of the Xbox's reputation.
 

MalevolentJim

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It may as well be free,we have to pay bills for shit like the broadband connection and electric bills.Why should we have to fork over more cash for this?
 

tiredinnuendo

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@Torque:

I'm not sure if this applies to XBL, but I've read that Microsoft stocks themselves almost exclusively with DL380 G5's, and haven't moved the bulk of their systems to the BL480 equivalent.

Bearing that in mind, it's reasonable to expect that MS likely upgrades their servers once every three years or so in rolling batches, to keep the maintenance up, so with that in mind, it's not realistic to expect the hardware pricing to drop off (and thus provide a lower subscription fee) anytime soon.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certain they're making a profit off the cost of Live Gold, but then, if they can make a profit, why wouldn't they?

- J
 

Steelfists

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"Microsoft is one of (If not the) the richest companies in the world."

HELL no.

On a different note, it seems that Games for Windows Live is going to be free, since Microsoft have obviously realised that they can't get PC Gamers to pay for something they have always had for free. If it can be done for PC, why no 360? Do you need different servers, or more servers, or what?
 

Jumplion

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xMacx post=9.68405.630466 said:
Here we go: http://research.microsoft.com/osa/apg/trueskill.aspx

check out the page, the links, the subheadings - you can get in as much detail as you want.

Really cool stuff. Awesome that someone was funded to think deeply about how I can play Gears of War on Live and not end up facing off against Pwnmaster5000 every game.
Thank you xMacx, I have to say that was an interesting read :D
 

KSarty

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The way it works for PC games is that the developers have to run their own servers, and nobody has ever had a problem with that, so why did Microsoft decide it would be a better option to run all the servers themselves and charge the players? Also, the PC version of Live(GFW) is free. They originally charged the same as Live, but it didn't sell with the PC crowd, so now its free.