Poll: "Show a little sympathy; all death is tragic !"
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it really depends on who is dying.PatSilverFox said:
1 person dying in a different country isn't as tragic as 1,000,000 people dying in your own country.
I feel that they are vastly different.SirBryghtside said:
But regardless, I honestly don't know how I feel about the issue and it all comes down to the definition of the word tragic.
Personally, I wasn't impacted by Amy Winehouse's death, but I was crushed by John Wooden's. I've never met either of them, but one of them enriched the lives of many and helped them to improve themselves, the other (in my opinion) did nothing of the sort, was talented and used that to make money (which I don't take issue with, hell I'd have done the same) and then used that money to abuse their body, which may have been her cause of death.
I suppose that both are tragic, but in different magnitudes.
Ok, so in writing this I've made up my mind. Yes all death is tragic, not equally so, but yes, tragic.
DEATH is inevitable, only those who have not accepted that fact find tragedy in it. To die is the ultimate resolution of life, the only reason there is for living is to die. Generally, people die doing what they normally do in life, thus fulfilling that life by their choice of actions. Some are killed by someone else, some are killed by their own actions either directly or indirectly but the end result is always the same.Princess Rose said:
The only tragedy I ever see in death is the death of a child and that is not even at the loss of life, but at the loss of potential.
Life ends in death, period. Why must we still find tragedy in the inevitable? It's like crying at Bambi, or mourning the loss of some princess who dies in a car crash, it's stupid and pointless.
So I can assume you didn't care when 3000 people died on 9-11? One can still empathize with someone else's death and the pain of their family members without knowing them. I find the lack of empathy very disturbing.TheScientificIssole said:
It is all tragic, as John Donne put it "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main." and later "any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
No, very few deaths are tragic.
It is all just another part of the cycle.
Death creates life, and life creates death.
It is all just another part of the cycle.
Death creates life, and life creates death.
A lot of people say all death is tragic but never actually care. My proof "A puppy dies, youre sad. A murder dies, you're not sad."
No, not all death is tragic. I believe that sometimes death is comedy as well. And if it isn't true, then someone had better explain why to everyone who ever read The Darwin Awards, because stupid deaths are funny as hell.
(You know, like the guy who tried to stick up a GUN SHOP and was simultaneously shot to hell by at least three people, shop owner included.)
(You know, like the guy who tried to stick up a GUN SHOP and was simultaneously shot to hell by at least three people, shop owner included.)
"Tragic" is the wrong word, but people who makes jokes out of bombings and shootings or who laugh at someone who just died are in the wrong. Death is a serious issue that should not be brushed off or laughed at. Still tragic implies that it should be devastating to everyone, which is wrong. I would say give dignity to the dead but don't feel bad yourself.
AngloDoom said:
Only because something has taught them that. The death itself is not the tragedy, the events leading up to his intention to kill is what the tragedy is. In this case, he killed only himself. The idea that somebody would actually commit suicide just to hurt people is a tragedy in itself. Nobody deserves to die. Ever. To kill somebody should be a protective measure, not a punishment. If the only outcome is somebody dies, then it's unavoidable. Otherwise, death is not to be celebrated.
Well I think most death is tragic. But not all of it.
Say someone lived a long and full life, and died happy, with no regrets. I don't think I would call that death tragic.
Say someone lived a long and full life, and died happy, with no regrets. I don't think I would call that death tragic.
If we personally considered every single death to be tragic, we'd all be so lost in despair and depression that we'd never be able to get anything done. Our civilization would fall apart or implode. The truth is, most people don't care when people they don't know die. When a massive tragedy occurs, that startles them. It let's them know that terrible incidents could occur anywhere, even where they are.
It strikes the fear of death into them, and so they are roused into action and thus donate of their own time, possessions, or money to try to help or comfort the injured. Why do they do this? Because they want to think that, if this were happening to them, then other people would try to help them as well. It's self-preservation and fear at its finest.
Is it sad when people die? Yes, of course it is. Is it tragic when they die? Not unless you know them, or it's a terrible enough accident or natural disaster that it draws more attention to itself.
Thousands of people have probably died today, but you don't see me wrapped up in guilt and sadness over it. Why? Because, as I said, then I would never get anything done.
Can I still recognize that life is very important? Of course I can.
It strikes the fear of death into them, and so they are roused into action and thus donate of their own time, possessions, or money to try to help or comfort the injured. Why do they do this? Because they want to think that, if this were happening to them, then other people would try to help them as well. It's self-preservation and fear at its finest.
Is it sad when people die? Yes, of course it is. Is it tragic when they die? Not unless you know them, or it's a terrible enough accident or natural disaster that it draws more attention to itself.
Thousands of people have probably died today, but you don't see me wrapped up in guilt and sadness over it. Why? Because, as I said, then I would never get anything done.
Can I still recognize that life is very important? Of course I can.
No, you are wrong.Pietho said:
Not about death being inevitable, about those who have not accepted it finding it a tragedy.
Death is a tragedy because it is loss. It is something going away, a lessening of the world. It is SAD.
When someone dies, we are lessened by it.
Is it a natural part of life? Yes. Is it the inevitable end? Of course. But that's just it - it's and END. And endings are sad. Sometimes they are beautiful sad, but they're still sad.
And you sound like a sociopath saying that. Well done. Really - comparing a movie character's fictional death to Princess Diana, who affected MANY people with her charity and other political efforts, is absolutely insane.Pietho said:
Being inevitable does NOT make it less tragic. In fact, being inevitable makes death MORE tragic.
Made me happy to see the poll results because the majority of posts I see when someone dies seems to be the opposite.
Just because someone dies does not mean they deserve my respect, no matter what. To be honest I find it kind of pathetic that people think we need to show respect to every person who dies ever.
Just because someone dies does not mean they deserve my respect, no matter what. To be honest I find it kind of pathetic that people think we need to show respect to every person who dies ever.
Well, to be fair, this isn't one of those issues where it's exactly easy to be civil.Princess Rose said:
Unlike 90% of political and social problems, this is one of the few that REALLY does boil down to "yes or no". With taxes, zoning ordinances, gentrification, rent controls, emission standards, and other such things it's easy to find compromises and joint beneficial agreements.
But given what's at stake, you really do have to take a side.
Can't be Schrodinger's cat.
Of course, that's why it's actually nigh impossible to be civil over this matter.
It's not like being on a city council, where you debate and disagree over where to put a flower bed or something and then go have lunch later.
It may seem sometimes that people on opposite sides of the death penalty debate get along, or have lives outside of their beliefs.
But they don't.
They think things about each other, and they do look at each other 'funny' when they can.
In reality, they find certain aspects of the people opposed to them to be absolutely repugnant and vile. They just keep it hidden, deep inside, taking subtle jabs at each other, and screwing each other over in little ways.
Oh sure, you can try to have dinner with him. You can intellectualize and talk about food and seaside resorts you've visited, and family life. And it'll remind you that he's a person, sure.
But you'll always have that niggling thought in your head.
Those few tiny details about what he believes that you find disgusting will come back up once dinner is through, and you'll know you're just being social.
It's a mask really. A very necessary pretend playtime that keeps society together.
Truth is, if you were to get Rick Perry in a room with a vehement supporter of the NCADP, maybe put them both on LSD or remove all of the little controls and restraints in their heads, you'd get a body out of it.
Guaranteed.
That would also be very tragic.
Then again, so are living people.
But to get to the OP's main question:
Yes, people are going to miss Amy Winehouse. That's who you're REALLY asking about anyway.
It doesn't affect me, so I'm not going to make any bother about it.