I certainly wish that there were a couple more choices for each quest, but the game's production time and cost would have doubled.Proverbial Jon said:
Poll: Skyrim- Did you kill Paarthurnax?
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I killed him without a second thought.
Why? It's another dragon soul added to my repertoire. This is the same guy who killed everyone possibly killable in Markarth just because I could.
Why? It's another dragon soul added to my repertoire. This is the same guy who killed everyone possibly killable in Markarth just because I could.
I did not for several reasons.
1. The Greybeards have helped me from whiterun, Ive known the blades like 5 days and they expect me to kill the leader of the people who accepted me into there circle like a son, no way!
2. Paarthurnax helped me with every aspect of defeating Alduin, all the blades did was show me a wall, he told me what shout, how to learn the shout and how to get to the people who could teach me such shout.
3. He has suppressed his nature for 1000 years, if he was going to go and enslave mortals why would he not have done so? There was no dragon born for centuries so he had ample chance yet his mission for dragons is to enlighten them with the "Way of the Voice" which is a peaceful doctrine.
4. My character has become champion for most daedric lords so far, ranging from nocturnal to molag bal, by the time I die my soul is going to be fought over so much im betting I could resurrect before anything bad did happen. Espically since dragonborn seems to be the best mortal servant any daedric lord could have so im hoping they will give me longivity in exchange for something. If not then hell ive got dark brotherhood, thieves guild, college of winterhold and High king Ulfric in my pocket, If im dieing then I can give lessons on how best to kill dragons and teach every able bodied man/woman dragonrend to avert disaster.
1. The Greybeards have helped me from whiterun, Ive known the blades like 5 days and they expect me to kill the leader of the people who accepted me into there circle like a son, no way!
2. Paarthurnax helped me with every aspect of defeating Alduin, all the blades did was show me a wall, he told me what shout, how to learn the shout and how to get to the people who could teach me such shout.
3. He has suppressed his nature for 1000 years, if he was going to go and enslave mortals why would he not have done so? There was no dragon born for centuries so he had ample chance yet his mission for dragons is to enlighten them with the "Way of the Voice" which is a peaceful doctrine.
4. My character has become champion for most daedric lords so far, ranging from nocturnal to molag bal, by the time I die my soul is going to be fought over so much im betting I could resurrect before anything bad did happen. Espically since dragonborn seems to be the best mortal servant any daedric lord could have so im hoping they will give me longivity in exchange for something. If not then hell ive got dark brotherhood, thieves guild, college of winterhold and High king Ulfric in my pocket, If im dieing then I can give lessons on how best to kill dragons and teach every able bodied man/woman dragonrend to avert disaster.
We've dragged this on enough, I guess. I don't think it's a spoiler because on its own, the title is meaningless to someone who hasn't played or played much of Skyrim, and anyone who's actually been paying attention could easily see the option coming. You think it is because... well, actually I still don't quite understand why you or anyone thinks the title (and the title alone, I do agree the discussion is spoilerific, but hopefully someone who doesn't recognize the name wouldn't click, right?) is a spoiler.Yosharian said:
And that's just what I was getting at.Mortai Gravesend said:
I've never even played Morrowind. The question of "Did you kill Vivec?" is to me, meaningless. I don't even know who Vivec is. But, given my previous experience with RPGs and in particular Bethesda RPGs like Oblivion and Fallout 3, I'm not surprised at all that the question of killing or sparing him (or is it her? Or It?) comes up. The question alone doesn't tell me if he's important or not either, since importance to the plot certainly isn't a guaranteed shield against being killed--characters lose their PlotArmor all the time. (Didn't Morrowind not even have the Essential flag in the first place?)
It's as meaningless to me as "Did you bomb the Uhlek Brain World?" probably is to you.
But hey, discussion over. Whatever.
It took me a while to decide but in the end I chose to kill him. This was for a couple reasons.
-The blades were one of the most powerful forces in cyrodil and were reduced to nothing. With the aid of the dragonborn, they began to build again, and might be a factor the Thalmor will probably regret messing with to begin with.
- The Greybeards serve no other purpose then to aid the player character in discovering their power. Had they blades survived, they would have been able to train the dragonborn much more efficiently. The greybeards may be masters of the voice, but their fear of using it consumed them. Killing their leader might force them to reflect on what it is they are doing.
-Who is to say odaviing won't teach the dragons to be more like the ones from Dragon Tales? They might listen to him more, being one of Alduins commanders than some old geezer who lives on a mountain in secret.
-The blades were one of the most powerful forces in cyrodil and were reduced to nothing. With the aid of the dragonborn, they began to build again, and might be a factor the Thalmor will probably regret messing with to begin with.
- The Greybeards serve no other purpose then to aid the player character in discovering their power. Had they blades survived, they would have been able to train the dragonborn much more efficiently. The greybeards may be masters of the voice, but their fear of using it consumed them. Killing their leader might force them to reflect on what it is they are doing.
-Who is to say odaviing won't teach the dragons to be more like the ones from Dragon Tales? They might listen to him more, being one of Alduins commanders than some old geezer who lives on a mountain in secret.
I can't remember exactly what he said but it's something along the lines of this: Is it better to be born good or to be born evil and overcome your nature through great effort?
Also, he helps save the world so... ya. Fuck the blades. It's a shame because I really liked them in Oblivion.
Also, he helps save the world so... ya. Fuck the blades. It's a shame because I really liked them in Oblivion.
I've said this before, but I LOOOOOVE katanas and samurai armor, so I wanted to do stuff with the blades as soon as possible so I could get my Akaviri swords and sweet armor again.
And then Delphine and Esbern basically said I wasn't welcome unless I killed Paarthunax.
I wish there was an option to say 'fuck you, I don't want your help then' because that's exactly what I said. I stole all the katanas and armor pieces in their little coffer and dropped them off the side of the mountain. I was so pissed I didn't even want them anymore.
Paarthunax was once an evil bastard who killed more than his fair share of people along with Alduin. But he repented. I have a lot of respect for those who do that, to admit fault and commit themselves to rectifying it. Killing him would have ruined any chance for other dragons to learn The Way of the Voice, which could very well be Tamriel's only chance for peace with the dragons.
And then Delphine and Esbern basically said I wasn't welcome unless I killed Paarthunax.
I wish there was an option to say 'fuck you, I don't want your help then' because that's exactly what I said. I stole all the katanas and armor pieces in their little coffer and dropped them off the side of the mountain. I was so pissed I didn't even want them anymore.
Paarthunax was once an evil bastard who killed more than his fair share of people along with Alduin. But he repented. I have a lot of respect for those who do that, to admit fault and commit themselves to rectifying it. Killing him would have ruined any chance for other dragons to learn The Way of the Voice, which could very well be Tamriel's only chance for peace with the dragons.
I just want to shout at the blades 'You dumb pretentious pricks! The one good dragon in the world, who has helped humanity in the past and is the only reason I could defeat Alduin at all and you just go "Kill de dwagon derp derp". Fuck your noise'. Then I disabled the essential status and went a chopping.
So yeah, I have a character that sided with the empire and exterminated the blades - that also brutaly murders any high elf.
So yeah, I have a character that sided with the empire and exterminated the blades - that also brutaly murders any high elf.
I didn't want to, but I tried anyways, but the game glitched out and I couldn't damage him. Not even cheats could. So I quit the game and moved on.
I did not kill him. In fact I decided to sever all ties with the Blades after that. I worked with them to begin with because their goals were in line with mine - that Alduin had to be killed. After I had received what aid they could provide for me I had no intention of following through with their genocidal intentions. While true dragons poss a great threat to humanity, I don't think it's within anyone right to completely eliminate an entire race.
Not only that but Paarthurnax was the first dragon to befriend humans. He would become the first step in eventually creating a mutual peace between both humanity and the dragons.
Not only that but Paarthurnax was the first dragon to befriend humans. He would become the first step in eventually creating a mutual peace between both humanity and the dragons.
Nope. Delphine wants him dead, she can kill him herself. I don't care what he did before, he's a different...dragon...now. If he was a human, the same rules wouldn't apply, but he's not. He's immortal. He's had centuries to learn from his mistakes, and he clearly has. Like I said, if she wants him dead, she's welcome to do it herself.
firstly, thanks for having the name of this thread ruin the fact that id have to kill him, secondly i did but i felt sad afterwards
I didn't do in Paarthanux. The Blades' reasons made no sense to me. They said he couldn't be trusted, but P had just helped me get the one Thu'um I needed to beat Alduin and then helped me fight him.
If he was really untrustworthy, he could've claimed that he needed the Elder Scroll for XYZ reason, taken it, ran off to talk to Alduin, and set up an inescapable trap. Heck, if he'd wanted me dead, all he'd have had to do was pretend he had no idea how to get Dragonrend or say that it was lost forever.
The point is, Paarthanux was in a position to completely screw me over and, not only did he not do it, he put his own scaly hide on the line for my benefit.
If he was really untrustworthy, he could've claimed that he needed the Elder Scroll for XYZ reason, taken it, ran off to talk to Alduin, and set up an inescapable trap. Heck, if he'd wanted me dead, all he'd have had to do was pretend he had no idea how to get Dragonrend or say that it was lost forever.
The point is, Paarthanux was in a position to completely screw me over and, not only did he not do it, he put his own scaly hide on the line for my benefit.
No I didn't. I found him quite delightful, actually. I mean, come on, most dragons I come across want to flambe me, but this guy wants to discuss philosophy. Awesome!
That and the Blades are dicks. So what I did was open the console and type setstage mqpaarthurnax100. It marked the quest as completed, Paarthurnax still lived, the Greybeards still speak to me, and I got to feel like I was telling the Blades a big fat lie and they were totally buying it like complete idiots.
That and the Blades are dicks. So what I did was open the console and type setstage mqpaarthurnax100. It marked the quest as completed, Paarthurnax still lived, the Greybeards still speak to me, and I got to feel like I was telling the Blades a big fat lie and they were totally buying it like complete idiots.
Eh, no. For me this was one of the clear-cut moral choices in the game. The Blades' arguments against him could be summed up as "he used to be a bad guy and he deserves to die for that".
The arguments against the Blades' position were thus:
1) Paarthanax was one of the first to rebel against Alduin, meaning that as far as dragons go he would probably be the most valuable ally to humanity available. As noted by the Greybeards, Paarthanax was associated with Alduin in the past because at that point ALL dragons served Alduin. That Paarthanax rebelled speaks volumes.
2) He is directly responsible for the creation of the Greybeards, a group nigh-universally respected in Skyrim, and their Way of the Voice, which emphasizes non-violence
3) By teaching humans how to use the Thuum and helping to orchestrate their rebellion against the dragons, he is one of the primary reasons that humans could live free of draconic tyranny in the first place.
4) He's the one who told you how to learn Dragonrend, which is what allows you to defeat Alduin
So yeah, I listened to the Blades...and then I told Paarthanax and the Greybeards about it and we all had a good laugh.
The arguments against the Blades' position were thus:
1) Paarthanax was one of the first to rebel against Alduin, meaning that as far as dragons go he would probably be the most valuable ally to humanity available. As noted by the Greybeards, Paarthanax was associated with Alduin in the past because at that point ALL dragons served Alduin. That Paarthanax rebelled speaks volumes.
2) He is directly responsible for the creation of the Greybeards, a group nigh-universally respected in Skyrim, and their Way of the Voice, which emphasizes non-violence
3) By teaching humans how to use the Thuum and helping to orchestrate their rebellion against the dragons, he is one of the primary reasons that humans could live free of draconic tyranny in the first place.
4) He's the one who told you how to learn Dragonrend, which is what allows you to defeat Alduin
So yeah, I listened to the Blades...and then I told Paarthanax and the Greybeards about it and we all had a good laugh.