Of course they did.remnant_phoenix said:
What did you expect?
The Christians claimed there was only 1 god and pretty much denied even the possibility of multiple ones which they had been believving for ages.
Poll: Skyrim- Who did you side with and why?
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What did you expect?
The Christians claimed there was only 1 god and pretty much denied even the possibility of multiple ones which they had been believving for ages.
oh good. now I will try and play it. *runs out of the house to go to Gamestop* wait... *runs back in the house* which version would you guys recommend most 360 or PS3?AntiChri5 said:
I chose neither side and killed them all. I just couldn't stand them anymore, the Imperials with their "We should own everything because the empire is awesome!" attitude, or how about the "NORDS ARE TEH GRAETEST EVAR!!!11!" attitude of the Stormcloaks? Neither side deserved my help, and they annoyed me into a homicidal frenzy. And oh god Ulfric. I hate him so much, I saved him for last. Best part about the PC, being able to mod out plot armor.
After three playthroughs I'd like to think I'd seen it all - or most of it, really.Scott Maunder said:
The Imperials are not behind the Talos worship, although they executed the order as if. Not everyone amongst the Imperials stands behind this, as the ranks of the Imperials are made up of members of nearly all the races - including local Northerners.
...the Thalmor wanted Talos banned... so the Thalmor are the proper fascist thought police here!
The Stormcloaks - joining them seems to be the smart choice, as you start out the game being queued up for a jolly beheading by the Imperials. I know I started out hating the Imperials, but siding with the Stormcloaks wasn't exactly my cup of tea, as it turned out.
As you progress through the plot and listen to what the people have to say and read all the books offering information pertaining to this particular subject matter, the Stormcloaks do indeed smell racist in nature, but that can be easily understood seeing as they themselves were refugees once, and not quite a local breed of Skyrim. All in all, every group, party or faction shows quite some neglect when it comes to wanting to understand and paint the big picture. They're all too busy with petty little things and all-too-human weaknesses to be considered proper master race material.
except for... ...the Thalmor, obviously, since Ulfric Poopstain eventually turns out to be an agent of the Thalmor, nothing more but an instigator with a mission to cause a ruckus... so, in the end it does not really matter which side you choose, as you cannot properly take care of the real problem, which, in the case of Skyrim (and maybe even mankind/elvenkind/critterkind) is the Thalmor, and their peculiar stance on everything non-Thalmor!
Yeah, but the Imperials don't lie in your face or turn into Elvis Hitler Stalin the moment you help them achieve something and win a battle or two... so, I would have to say that a proper Nord that loves his home, his family, his nation and the whole continent (including everything and everyone with fur and scales and googly red eyes) would have to join the Empire to stop the proper "Nazis" to wipe out all non-Aryan life from the face of Tamriel... but that's just what I got out of the story.Cr33dl0rd said:
I sided with the imperials, then whilst doing so I assassinated *spoilers* the Emperor, my motives being that i didn't appreciate racism to the Argonians in Ulfrics home town. It wasn't a patriotic act, I just sided with the people I thought would win anyway.
I sided with the imperials. Stormcloacks are too racist/populist for my tastes. And not to mention stupid. If the empire couldn't stand up to the Thalmor, why should the storm cloacks manage it on their own? If the empire falls apart the Thalmor will simply conquer it province by province.
Also the imperials are led by Saul Tigh, and that is awesome.
(Well seeing as it is impossible to play an elderscrolls game with just one character. I should have gone for all of the above. My first character kept to himself, my second one joined the imperials and I am sure I am going to join the stormcloacks with another one.)
Also the imperials are led by Saul Tigh, and that is awesome.
(Well seeing as it is impossible to play an elderscrolls game with just one character. I should have gone for all of the above. My first character kept to himself, my second one joined the imperials and I am sure I am going to join the stormcloacks with another one.)
First off, way to side-step the other point. You know, the one that debunked your statement about how christian religion contributed to the fall of Rome.Rex Dark said:
Secondly, are you implying that the persecution and execution of people because they claimed a belief contrary to the status quo was "okay"? If so, have yourself committed.
I rejected both sides.
The Empire was infested with spies, ridden with dissent, defeated, and rotten to the core. Tullius himself was on hand and said not one word while his subordinates put the innocent main character to death to avoid doing paperwork. They've got the Thalmor running things, they've turned their backs on their own god and founder and the people who set up the Empire (the Nords).
The Stormcloaks reek of racism, though I can where they're coming from. They are sick of the outside world and it's problems it inflicts on them and just want it all to go away. But, at the same time, they've been gulled into following Ulfric, who pretty much just wants power for himself. Rebelling against the Empire does nothing to protect Skyrim against the Dominion in the long run and burns bridges with the loyalists when the next war against the Elves comes along. Ulfric is a traitor, not so much to the Empire itself, but to the ideals of interregional cooperation that led to it's creation. He should be reaching out to like-minded individuals in other regions to force the Empire to change it's policies instead of trying to simply throw it down. Again, though, I do sympathize with the Stormcloaks more than the Imperials.
The Empire was infested with spies, ridden with dissent, defeated, and rotten to the core. Tullius himself was on hand and said not one word while his subordinates put the innocent main character to death to avoid doing paperwork. They've got the Thalmor running things, they've turned their backs on their own god and founder and the people who set up the Empire (the Nords).
The Stormcloaks reek of racism, though I can where they're coming from. They are sick of the outside world and it's problems it inflicts on them and just want it all to go away. But, at the same time, they've been gulled into following Ulfric, who pretty much just wants power for himself. Rebelling against the Empire does nothing to protect Skyrim against the Dominion in the long run and burns bridges with the loyalists when the next war against the Elves comes along. Ulfric is a traitor, not so much to the Empire itself, but to the ideals of interregional cooperation that led to it's creation. He should be reaching out to like-minded individuals in other regions to force the Empire to change it's policies instead of trying to simply throw it down. Again, though, I do sympathize with the Stormcloaks more than the Imperials.
The Empire utterly destroyed the Thalmor army before surrendering, Hammerfell was able to stand alone even though it had been ruined by the fighting.Wieke said:
It's been 30 years and the Empire is still frail, and the Thalmor run throughout it freely, this says the Empire is not going to do wellwhen the Thalmor are ready for war. The Stormcloaks will have a chance because they will take the fight to the Thalmor, rather than sit back and let the Thalmor have the time they need to rebuild. Plus Nords tend to win against elves.
Thats my take on that anyway.
I sided with the Stormcloaks and it did not take me long to regret my decision. If I actually attempt to do a second playthrough I'll be siding with the Empire.
The Stormcloaks are too full of their own salvatory self belief and are as racists as anyone in Skyrim. Ulfric is a dick, plain and simple. Well done Bethesda for creating characters and a game choice that I actually genuinely regretted each step of.
The Stormcloaks are too full of their own salvatory self belief and are as racists as anyone in Skyrim. Ulfric is a dick, plain and simple. Well done Bethesda for creating characters and a game choice that I actually genuinely regretted each step of.
Nobody was winning at that stage, but the empire was in a stronger position. They surrendered because they thought the Thalmor were stronger than they really are, they didn't realise what they had done.Wieke said: