Poll: So... Anyone else think that the Doctor is just taking the proverbial now?
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You're new to this show, aren't you, jellyman? 
It's been taking the piss longer than I've been alive! That's one of the draws! :-D
There's ALWAYS a dodgy christmas episode - there'd be uproar at this point if there WASN'T.
Paper thin characters... OK, fair enough, usually the plotting and characterisation is one of the stronger points (to make up for the low budget), maybe they had a bad run?
Creepiness... The Doc isn't supposed to be all sweetness and light, all the time. He's got a dark edge a mile wide and is designed as an enormously ambiguous, ambivalent character. Did you happen to miss the bit at the end of Eccleston's run where he was prepared to wipe out all life in the solar system to get rid of the Daleks, even though that made him no better than they were? Hell, he started - in episode one, old-series-one, by kidnapping his "grandchildren"...
Though the only thing I can think of other than the "time bomb" thing with Davros that used lots of old clips was a Comic Relief spoof special, are you sure it wasn't that which you saw?
Green Gunge is a long held BBC tradition, anyway. There's nothing worse than being hit by a load of it.
man conveniently-humanoid-being in the universe... what did you expect?
But as others have said, hopefully with Steve Moffat at the helm it may get a bit more serious and innovative, until he burns his own candle out of course and does whatever will be his equivalent of Davies' shameless pandering to the gay (or at least, hugely camp) sector of the audience.
The current threat is maybe a variant on the "look at it to stay alive" thing, but he has cranked it up to 11. If we're to put it in terms of stuff from the SCP foundation... the Angels were SCP173... this is 173 AND 55 in the same box, with some extra nastiness thrown in.
It had a bit of a lull round the middle and end of series 4, but on the whole ever since the reboot it's been slowly pulling itself out of a 2-decade-long tackiness hole. The focus is a bit different, but these are different times. Basically it's done the same thing as Top Gear and James Bond...
Though they have occasionally set stuff in earthly locations other than the UK anyway. Sure, they were soundstages, but at least they were fairly good ones. The Beeb has a rich history of costume drama that's supposedly in Rome, or Vietnam, or wherever, but is actually a backlot somewhere in Surrey.
STARTED???the jellyman said:
It's been taking the piss longer than I've been alive! That's one of the draws! :-D
I missed the shark, but wouldn't be too surprised. Hopefully it wasn't too "rubber CG". It's a bit piss-poor I'll admit, but they've had worse.
There's ALWAYS a dodgy christmas episode - there'd be uproar at this point if there WASN'T.
Paper thin characters... OK, fair enough, usually the plotting and characterisation is one of the stronger points (to make up for the low budget), maybe they had a bad run?
Creepiness... The Doc isn't supposed to be all sweetness and light, all the time. He's got a dark edge a mile wide and is designed as an enormously ambiguous, ambivalent character. Did you happen to miss the bit at the end of Eccleston's run where he was prepared to wipe out all life in the solar system to get rid of the Daleks, even though that made him no better than they were? Hell, he started - in episode one, old-series-one, by kidnapping his "grandchildren"...
You need to see some of the stuff from the 70s, it'll make your eyes stand out on (obviously fake, rubbery) stalks.
Though the only thing I can think of other than the "time bomb" thing with Davros that used lots of old clips was a Comic Relief spoof special, are you sure it wasn't that which you saw?
I bet that's scary as all hell if you're 7 years old, and that is the admitted target market. They just make sure the adults aren't totally bored by chucking in the odd over-their-heads smutty joke or bit of romantic interest.
Green Gunge is a long held BBC tradition, anyway. There's nothing worse than being hit by a load of it.
I can't argue with that one. Even though it IS yet another traditional Who element (back from when they simply couldn't afford to build any more new props, regardless of what the writer may think up), it has got a bit wearing. Series New-6 has started strong with an entirely novel "baddie", at least.
He is the smartest, oldest, most travelled
But as others have said, hopefully with Steve Moffat at the helm it may get a bit more serious and innovative, until he burns his own candle out of course and does whatever will be his equivalent of Davies' shameless pandering to the gay (or at least, hugely camp) sector of the audience.
The current threat is maybe a variant on the "look at it to stay alive" thing, but he has cranked it up to 11. If we're to put it in terms of stuff from the SCP foundation... the Angels were SCP173... this is 173 AND 55 in the same box, with some extra nastiness thrown in.
Again: GETTING?!
It had a bit of a lull round the middle and end of series 4, but on the whole ever since the reboot it's been slowly pulling itself out of a 2-decade-long tackiness hole. The focus is a bit different, but these are different times. Basically it's done the same thing as Top Gear and James Bond...
You REALLY haven't kept up, then, have you? The most recent one has been filmed in Nevada, for a start. And I have a feeling this was known about for a while beforehand too.
Though they have occasionally set stuff in earthly locations other than the UK anyway. Sure, they were soundstages, but at least they were fairly good ones. The Beeb has a rich history of costume drama that's supposedly in Rome, or Vietnam, or wherever, but is actually a backlot somewhere in Surrey.
Dude, you could do that with anything. Watch.JasonKaotic said:
Herp Derp derp, I'M GOING TO GO TO SP@CE WIV A SHIP THAT TALKS! OH NOES< TIS TRYING TO KILL MEEE!
Ladies and Gentlemen, 2001: A Space Odyssey.
How about this?
OMG! THERE's A MASSIVE WAR ON AND ONE GUY CUD DIE! LET'S SEND EIGHT GUYS IN2 ENMY TERITORY TO GO GET HIM, LOL! ... OOPS.
- and there's Saving Private Ryan. See what I mean?
Ladies and Gentlemen, 2001: A Space Odyssey.
How about this?
OMG! THERE's A MASSIVE WAR ON AND ONE GUY CUD DIE! LET'S SEND EIGHT GUYS IN2 ENMY TERITORY TO GO GET HIM, LOL! ... OOPS.
- and there's Saving Private Ryan. See what I mean?
There's no drama without a flawed premise. And, as I hope I just demonstrated, writing with little grammar and caps lock on doesn't help you get your point across.
OT: I like most of Doctor Who, aside from a few episodes (Mighty Morphing Power Daleks anyone?) and I like it's direction. I think that this opening could have been better, but I'm interested, and I'll keep watching. The previews have intrigued me.
I haven't kept up with the series since David Tennant left. Once you save the universes from the Daleks and the Time Lords in the span of three episodes, there's not much more one can DO.
Erja_Perttu said:
I was just expressing my dislike for episodes with Matt Smith as the doctor ^^"Popadoo said:
Exaggeratingly.
I get that, bhe way you did it just didn't make any sense. If anything that's more a slur on the writers than the actors.JasonKaotic said:
No. It's a kids show(or at least a family show, but same dif), but families watch it and nerds love it. This thread annoys me as the things you mentioned are what it's all about. It's clichéd, it's silly, and it's AWESOME.KeyMaster45 said:
And personally I just want more historical eps like Shakespeare Code and Unicorn and the Wasp.
It was. Matt Smith's a good actor and all, it's the new episodes I don't like. They just don't seem as good as the older ones at all for me.Erja_Perttu said:
I genuninely didn't like Matt Smith as the Doctor when he came in but after re-watching his first series I realized he's actually a good actor, but it's the writing that he's having to work with that's terrible.
Stephen Moffat when he wasn't in charge was a brilliant writer, but he's lost something now that he's top monkey. I still think he has the ability to be an excellent writer, his re-imagining of Sherlock was fantastic (Apart from his Moriarty, but I'm still hoping that's a double bluff)
I didn't enjoy one minute of the new epsiode, I kept looking at the time to see when it would finish. Nothing of any genuine substance actually happened.
Also so the whole thing about Riversong is that they're meeting in reverse correct? so why does she know more about him every time they meet? She's supposed to know less. Yes they're working towards the time when she goes off to a certain library but that's not for a long time in her time stream. So how will they write her out of the series? I think her character is becoming a millstone around the series neck and they need to finish her arc off quickly.
Oh and Amy is not so hot that every creature in the universe fancies her by the way and seriously, fancying yourself? that's just odd. At least she's not being written as smarter than the Doctor lately.
Stephen Moffat when he wasn't in charge was a brilliant writer, but he's lost something now that he's top monkey. I still think he has the ability to be an excellent writer, his re-imagining of Sherlock was fantastic (Apart from his Moriarty, but I'm still hoping that's a double bluff)
I didn't enjoy one minute of the new epsiode, I kept looking at the time to see when it would finish. Nothing of any genuine substance actually happened.
His "death" wasn't even remotely shocking or suspenseful because everybody knows it will be reversed at some point, either in the next episode or sometime in the series. it has absolutely no weight to it. A series of this age and popularity requires the status quo to be maintained now, so big changes will always be reset. The Silents are just another variation on the weeping angels idea except in reverse essentially.
Also so the whole thing about Riversong is that they're meeting in reverse correct? so why does she know more about him every time they meet? She's supposed to know less. Yes they're working towards the time when she goes off to a certain library but that's not for a long time in her time stream. So how will they write her out of the series? I think her character is becoming a millstone around the series neck and they need to finish her arc off quickly.
Oh and Amy is not so hot that every creature in the universe fancies her by the way and seriously, fancying yourself? that's just odd. At least she's not being written as smarter than the Doctor lately.
Wanna bet? I loathe that stupid programme, it is the James bond of TV series. Every episode is exactly the same, something threatens the earth/univerese/something and after cutting it a little close, while using that sonic screwdriver thing and a few long winded speaches, saves the day.the jellyman said:
I have watched one whole episode but I am fairly safe in that assumption, I think.
Keeping in mind I have only watched one, why the fuck are there so many last time lords? Another thing it has in common with James bond.
Such is the problem with doctor who. It has to be rather silly for the kids, but even then they piss over their own lore it's terrible. Hell even with Tennant I had to scratch my heads a couple of times, his version of the doctor pretty much turned the sonic screwdriver into a deus ex machina. Remember when the thing actually had limits and was pretty much just for locking doors and making electronics go boom? Hell they even killed Tennant in an insanely offensive way to anyone who follows the lore. Radiation is supposed to be a joke for timelords, hell we've seen tennant take a giant dose of radiation do a little hop and a jig and transfer that radiation to his shoe and just throw it away. But this radiation is so bad he had time to go and see all his old friends and make a goodbye but he doesn't have the time/capacity to transfer it?! What the hell.
Also, I have never wanted them to get rid of a companion more than I do Amy, seriously the girl is married, yet they still call her Amy Pond. She's pregnant with Rory's baby (though how does a man made of plastic knock up a real person?) and she is still swooning of the doctor. Seriously people should be hating her, Rory has done so much for her and as soon as the doctor pops up hes nothing more than chopped liver.
Also River is a bit meh, I really don't like the look of the actress, she acts like she's all that and some kind of super model. I really don't see it, maybe it is just me.
Also, I really don't get why people treat the doctor as some kind of hero, ever since the Tennant days the doctor has had a pretty piss poor track record of saving people. Hell unless you're the doctors companion (or their immediate family) you see the doctor, you'd better run in the opposite direction because odds are that you will die terribly or be terrible disfigured. Hell the doctor runs around proclaiming he is going to save everyone and almost every one dies or goes through terrible pain. Hell I remember Eccleston trying his damnedest to save people, and even in some cases succeeding, what the heck happened to saving everyone?
Also, I have never wanted them to get rid of a companion more than I do Amy, seriously the girl is married, yet they still call her Amy Pond. She's pregnant with Rory's baby (though how does a man made of plastic knock up a real person?) and she is still swooning of the doctor. Seriously people should be hating her, Rory has done so much for her and as soon as the doctor pops up hes nothing more than chopped liver.
Also River is a bit meh, I really don't like the look of the actress, she acts like she's all that and some kind of super model. I really don't see it, maybe it is just me.
Also, I really don't get why people treat the doctor as some kind of hero, ever since the Tennant days the doctor has had a pretty piss poor track record of saving people. Hell unless you're the doctors companion (or their immediate family) you see the doctor, you'd better run in the opposite direction because odds are that you will die terribly or be terrible disfigured. Hell the doctor runs around proclaiming he is going to save everyone and almost every one dies or goes through terrible pain. Hell I remember Eccleston trying his damnedest to save people, and even in some cases succeeding, what the heck happened to saving everyone?
He's not made of plastic any more. Everything went back to normal at the end of the last series when the Doctor "reset" the universe... oh god, did I really just say that?Rednog said:
Doctor Who is silly, it's stark raving bonkers at times and although there has always been an element of that, it certainly has got worse. Then again it is ultimately for children. But the people who create it really do believe in what they do, so at least its quality bonkers. Perhaps the British brand of crazy doesn't always translate well to other countries.
This is my biggest gripe about the show at the moment. I mean what the hell was series 4 all about? Ok, I get that Davros wants the Daleks to rule the universe, he sees them as being the ultimate life form. But why in the name of god would he want to actually destroy all of REALITY? I've heard some crazy concepts but that really does take the biscuit. Also, I hated that Davros was religated to nothing more than a support role in that finale. They could have done so much more. Don't even get me started on the Doctor Donna.LordFisheh said:
The Pandorica I can live with because it used time properly (another thing Doctor Who seems to forget lately, you know, TIME travel?) and the episodes were very clever, just what I thought Who should be like. But resetting the universe JUST because someone remembers the Doctor?
I'm a fan, I'm a big fan. This is my favourite thing on TV but at times the writing is simply apalling. Here's hoping for a good Moffat series this year...
Well, I can't really argue with you there. It's very true that some episodes are fantastic (In the RTD run series, all the Stephen Moffat episodes were excellent) and then there's the rubbish. I think the good parts are worth the rest of the nonsense, but I am quite a patient person.JasonKaotic said:
I like Matt Smith as The Doctor, he's got a joyful childishness that was gone from the character at the end of David Tennent's run. I just think he needs a good episode on par with Blink, or something as good (but not necessarily with the Weeping Angels). That'd really sell it for me. Here's hoping!