Poll: So, Bin Laden, you give a shit?
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I'm confused...does the poll relate to the title of the thread, or to your statement in the post? In any case, yes, I give a shit and, no, I don't think it will change anything.
Perhaps you should clarify what the poll is actually polling us about.
Perhaps you should clarify what the poll is actually polling us about.
i don't that it changes anything, but hey two down, one to go!
America, FUCK YEAH! coming again to save the mother fucking day-yeah. America, FUCK YEAH!! Freedom is the only way.
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America, FUCK YEAH! coming again to save the mother fucking day-yeah. America, FUCK YEAH!! Freedom is the only way.
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I'm guessing the main reason people don't seem to care as much about his death as they would have say 10 years ago is because he and Al-Qaeda haven't really been in the news that much, in fact they've became a sort of a joke at this point, in fact I bet that before Bin Laden died the only news reports on it was members no one heard of getting killed.
Al-Qaeda isn't a standing government, it's a loose organization that does terrorist attacks, Bin Laden wasn't a commander was much as he was a sort of say Karl Marx to Al-Qaeda if they were Communists, while he outlined their ideal's and is a figurehead, he didn't say have any direct command as in he was too valuable to risk being the central command by the time he was attacked. In fact in terms of 9/11 he didn't plan it he just gave them his approval.sethzard said:
while i'm not going to say something stupid like "i can rest easy now", i am going to say this: i can breath a sigh of relief. sure, he's just one guy, but we wasted hella time and money trying to kill 'em. sure it was nearly a total waste, but now that waste will (i really hope) stop. and besides, despite the fact that we're completely and utterly in there for the oil, we have one less reason to not be pissed that we're still in there. who knows, maybe this might speed up the pulling out process.
*please note that the above opinion is that of an ignorant idealist.
*please note that the above opinion is that of an ignorant idealist.
Just because it didn't affect you directly it doesn't mean 9/11 was insignificant. For a lot of people, getting him provided at least some kind of satisfaction after ten years of seemingly pointless war.
Also I'm glad we have so many terrorism/political analysts on the escapist. How do you know what affect his death will have? Of course he is going to be a martyr to some degree, but don't you think that if terrorists could have done something, they would have done it by now, after 10 years? If President Obama were to be assassinated by a terrorist organization today, don't you think that would give Americans some pause? It's not a simple matter of "oh well someone will replace him so it doesn't matter, apathy is c00l."
Also I'm glad we have so many terrorism/political analysts on the escapist. How do you know what affect his death will have? Of course he is going to be a martyr to some degree, but don't you think that if terrorists could have done something, they would have done it by now, after 10 years? If President Obama were to be assassinated by a terrorist organization today, don't you think that would give Americans some pause? It's not a simple matter of "oh well someone will replace him so it doesn't matter, apathy is c00l."
Plus, bleeding heart arguments like these do more to make the deaths of all those soldiers seem in vain than anything else.Kingsman said:
This is the leader and founder of the biggest terrorist organization, not some simple low ranking officer or something. This man was responsible for countless deaths, as well as ruining the image of an entire religion and culture.
His death is not a hollow victory, and claiming it is disrespects all those that made the ultimate sacrifice for this moment. Those they do should be ashamed of themselves.
unfortunately it can not be accomplished. and i said nowhere that it ever would. it would just be desirable and in the best interest of the world. i suggest you invest more time reading correctly before further insults and (failed) attempts of wit.joebear15 said:
You don't really know how Muslim Fundamentalism works now do you?gellert1984 said:
He was killed in a firefight, he didn't surrender his body to the cause of spreading Islam, he isn't getting his 72 virgins and etc.
He will not be a martyr. I don't know why you would think that.
OT: Yea I care. A lot of families have closure now. The head of a terrorist organization is dead. This isn't solely a US victory, this is a world victory. But that being said his death should not be celebrated.
Actually Hitler was directly responsible for part of the Holocaust. His signature is on the document that ordered the rounding up and murdering of the mentally handicapped, but after political backlash he had his underlings sign all the rest of the papers. But he was basically holding their hands as they gripped the pens that signed the death notices.flying_whimsy said:
Are you saying we should give credit to the terrorists that crashed the planes into the WTC? Wow.zelda2fanboy said:
Also, you don't have to pull the trigger to be directly responsible.
Are you serious?trooperpaul said:
You know that this isn't just a US victory right?
And he was the head of a major terrorist organization.
Man people are so US-centric.
So here we are...a Forum where the death of a world-wide terrorism Icon is 'meh' but your favorite Game Server goes down for more than two days and it's time to panic and sue.
Where every mistake made by a certain country...which shall remain nameless (USA)...is pointed out, but the failings, human rights violations, and outright abominations which happen every day in other countries is swept under the rug and ignored. Where all of terrorism is blamed on a *pretty recent* invasion (of course, the Taliban and Al Qaeda never existed before the invasion of Iraq, right) and privileged, never lived in a country where human rights don't exist posters complain but do nothing to actually *help*.
Apparently, no one reads history, or they use the 'but winners write history so I will only accept the history which supports my preconceived notions' excuse, and fails to see certain things:
Terrorism is guerrilla warfare. It is hide-in-the-dark, use children to carry bombs, make cheap propaganda claims while torturing our own people because the media is our collective ***** guerrilla warfare.
It is also based on tribal culture and personal charisma. Warlords and guerrilla leaders count on reputation and charisma to lead and recruit. Osama Bin Laden has been very much a hero and icon for terrorists everywhere, and every day he survived he helped the terrorist's cause. Now that he's dead, a major figure of awe and admiration is gone (not to mention he wasn't bad at planning attacks, either) and that is a good thing.
Where every mistake made by a certain country...which shall remain nameless (USA)...is pointed out, but the failings, human rights violations, and outright abominations which happen every day in other countries is swept under the rug and ignored. Where all of terrorism is blamed on a *pretty recent* invasion (of course, the Taliban and Al Qaeda never existed before the invasion of Iraq, right) and privileged, never lived in a country where human rights don't exist posters complain but do nothing to actually *help*.
Apparently, no one reads history, or they use the 'but winners write history so I will only accept the history which supports my preconceived notions' excuse, and fails to see certain things:
Terrorism is guerrilla warfare. It is hide-in-the-dark, use children to carry bombs, make cheap propaganda claims while torturing our own people because the media is our collective ***** guerrilla warfare.
It is also based on tribal culture and personal charisma. Warlords and guerrilla leaders count on reputation and charisma to lead and recruit. Osama Bin Laden has been very much a hero and icon for terrorists everywhere, and every day he survived he helped the terrorist's cause. Now that he's dead, a major figure of awe and admiration is gone (not to mention he wasn't bad at planning attacks, either) and that is a good thing.