you are overthinking it WAY too much, i could just as easily argue the game reduces men to nothing but violent cavemen who love nothing but smack everything senseless
Ok firstly, Yup I was being a prick, of that there ain't any doubt and I do feel like a bit of a douche for doing that. But this is my reaction to yet another thread like this.Worgen said:Dude, don't be a prick, how would you feel if after beating the last boss in gears of war you suddenly had a scene with Dom and Marco fucking each other in the butt?El Luck said:well shit whatever you do, don't play Battle Block Theatre, you can push cats in to water. Would hate for you to go on another pointless tirade.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? She encountered a situation that kind of came out of no where and made her uncomfortable and you shitheads are just pilling crap on her? WHY!?
You don't even seem to try and understand what is bugging her about this, you just assume she wants to take away your videogames.
and to think a certain internet person made a video about why mario and link rescuing their princesses was all kinds of wrong, but well i guess thats a story for another day kids! people will complain about me bringing HER againDrizzitdude said:Its just another game abotu dudes rescuing a princess. There is no harmful gender-inequality or sexual message here, questioning it like asking why Mario and Link try to rescue their respective princesses and why your forced into their journey. It is meant to be a fun little co-op game to play with your friends, just have fun with it![]()
Yeah I think so at least it was the first game I remember doing it totally took me and a friend by surpise we were only young so it was just a case of ok awesome now we get to fight each other rather than any analyzing as to why or whether it was appropriate.ColaWarVeteran said:Didn't the original Double Dragon do this first?
So you're mad that punk kids are on your cybergrass? XDDoomsdaylee said:Exactly. I mean, I actually remember when this forum had intelligent discussions and intelligent people. Not just little kids trolling. -Shakes walking stick-
Well, he's not right. The problem wasn't with lesbians in games but specifically player choice. She didn't want to have her character kiss a(nother) girl. Not because "lesbians are bad" but because the game decided for her. Now, granted, this is a weird issue to bring up with any straightforward game, but it comes up a lot and people complain. It usually doesn't get this kind of hostile response, either.chadachada123 said:But he's right. The OP was partially upset that her player character (who she made female, no biggie, I've done similar things to faceless characters) suddenly kissed a girl. Who...cares?
Well, I mean, the Boss is already played up as a cold-hearted murderer by the time you have the freedom to roam around the city. And, I mean, you only have to play about two more missions in to get a good idea of how far the Boss will go. At least with Castle Crashers, there's not much of an established narrative (Save the Princess doesn't require a protagonist who wants to bone the princess). With SR2, there's not only the fact that the last game happened, but also the establishment in the intro scenes. I get why you might be upset, but you created a character despite the narrative.the December King said:For me, there was a similar jolt, at least in principle, in Saint's Row 2. I was having so much fun doing silly things like insurance fraud and rag dolling around the city, racing taxis full of clients to destinations and spraying poop, that when I eventually did come back to the plot as a gang boss murderer, it was a sobering and jarring experience. I had it in my head that I was a goofy weird clown that could wander the city jigging in front of the elderly and jumping from rooftops as I pleased.
Its been a while since I played, but doesnt it come up with an over the top arcadey 'FIGHT!' the second you untie her and she shuffles out of harms way? That seems like an indicator that it was parody to me. The way it is so backhandedly thrown at the player in a 'Oh so you beat the boss and rescued the hostage and uh hmm FIGHT TO THE DEATH!' seems like just a set up and delivery for a joke to me.persephone said:It's not that I object to lesbians in games. If I'd decided I was playing a lesbian or bisexual (which, for the record, I have done before, more than once, in other games), then that particular aspect wouldn't have bothered me. I almost regret bringing that part up, given it was rather secondary to the rest of the post. It wasn't about the lesbianism, anyway, it was about the game giving me a blank character then dictating that character was a lecherous, selfish person (and a man).
I hadn't thought of the scene as satire or parody, but now that enough people have pointed it out, I can sort of see their point. Yes, that attitude was common in medieval times, but ... if you play it completely straight, is it really a parody? Cause I saw no levels of parody or satire there, I just saw it being played straight. If the woman had, say, rolled her eyes before going along with it, or at least been briefly disgusted at the fighting, or there had been some kind of wink or nod in there that indicated some kind of parody, it would've been a lot easier to swallow. But it was simply a straightforward, "here is your woman, she is a mindless prize with boobs, fight over her and whoever wins gets her."
I can also see people's points about the game not being deep, but I wasn't expecting (or even wanting) anything deep, honestly. I was just expecting the game to not trivialize women. That's not about depth or a good plot, that's about basic common sense. That should be a given.
Still, it was a serious gut punch, and in my case at least, it wasn't effective as parody/satire at all. The next time my sister and I play Castle Crashers, I plan to just give up at the end and let her win, because I don't want to fight my teammates in a context like that. Or go smooch a mindless woman-prize.
Yes it was. In 2010, the only real difference is that nobody had threatened to rape Anita Sarkeesian yet and someone could ask for a female protagonists without the entirety of the MRM showing up to yell at them.weirdo8977 said:This isn't an excuse but when Castle Crashers was released feminism in gaming wasn't really a thing and there wasn't that much of a discussion about not trivializing women in the gaming industry.
If you ever again wonder why I doubt your sincerity, NK, just look back at that post.NuclearKangaroo said:and to think a certain internet person made a video about why mario and link rescuing their princesses was all kinds of wrong, but well i guess thats a story for another day kids! people will complain about me bringing HER again
Parody should be more than simply referencing and doing the exact thing you're parodying.Elijin said:Its been a while since I played, but doesnt it come up with an over the top arcadey 'FIGHT!' the second you untie her and she shuffles out of harms way? That seems like an indicator that it was parody to me. The way it is so backhandedly thrown at the player in a 'Oh so you beat the boss and rescued the hostage and uh hmm FIGHT TO THE DEATH!' seems like just a set up and delivery for a joke to me.
Woah now, I logged over 300 hours with my character in SR2- I freaking loved it, too! I was merely pointing out that, while bouncing around the city I could easily forget that I wasn't necessarily a murderous thug, whether I wanted to or not. And there WERE times when the killin' was spot on. S'pecially with some of those cheats like the one with the lethal cars, and the people all constantly fighting...Zachary Amaranth said:Well, I mean, the Boss is already played up as a cold-hearted murderer by the time you have the freedom to roam around the city. And, I mean, you only have to play about two more missions in to get a good idea of how far the Boss will go. At least with Castle Crashers, there's not much of an established narrative (Save the Princess doesn't require a protagonist who wants to bone the princess). With SR2, there's not only the fact that the last game happened, but also the establishment in the intro scenes. I get why you might be upset, but you created a character despite the narrative.
And while I'm sorry you feel that way, I freaking loved SR2 and especially those darker moments. Far as I'm concerned, it was a "what the hell, player?" narrative.
im not being insincere, i really freakin' hate anitaZachary Amaranth said:If you ever again wonder why I doubt your sincerity, NK, just look back at that post.NuclearKangaroo said:and to think a certain internet person made a video about why mario and link rescuing their princesses was all kinds of wrong, but well i guess thats a story for another day kids! people will complain about me bringing HER again
To be fair, although medieval society was obviously an armed one with more violent tendencies than ours, it was actually pretty well organised when it came to dealing with the aforementioned pretty faces. There was a lot of permission-getting involved, and men often had to wait until the prime of their life was behind them until they were considered properly established and ready for marriage - all the hacking and slashing in the world wouldn't help you if the woman's father and your overlord didn't approve.marioandsonic said:I'm pretty sure that actually happened quite a lot during the Middle Ages...Dragonlayer said:Personally I think its quite disgusting the way the game depicts male characters as blindly driven by lust for the lost princesses, implying battle hardened knights will butcher their comrades in an instant because of a pretty face.
And I can't tell if OP is being serious, or is just baiting.
I will have to quote you, because wargen was suspended, in order to say that I also agree. I am often sadly reminded by how passive-aggressively-vitriolic these forums agree when someone does not adhere to the common consensus. I have often heard that it is alright to be offended...zerragonoss said:This. Also I don't think the people in this thread know what over-analyzing means, form the op she did not analyze any thing she was playing the game, than this came and smacked her in the face. Overall think the satire defense that has come up might hold water but I doubt it given the things like shit propelled dear being its general level of humor.Worgen said:Dude, don't be a prick, how would you feel if after beating the last boss in gears of war you suddenly had a scene with Dom and Marco fucking each other in the butt?El Luck said:well shit whatever you do, don't play Battle Block Theatre, you can push cats in to water. Would hate for you to go on another pointless tirade.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? She encountered a situation that kind of came out of no where and made her uncomfortable and you shitheads are just pilling crap on her? WHY!?
You don't even seem to try and understand what is bugging her about this, you just assume she wants to take away your videogames.
It is unquestionably a nod to Double Dragon, though it could also be a nod to Streets of Rage, River City Ransom, Super Mario Bros and all those other arcade/NES era games that featured damsels. For context, Castle Crashers is STUFFED with in-jokes and references to other games; with a healthy emphasis on side-scroller beat-em-ups.Maximum Bert said:I havent played Castle Crashers but I wouldnt be surprised if its inclusion was a nod to double dragon in some way.