Poll: So... Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2?

[Soopy]

I played D3 for a few hours, Torchlight has better graphics, gameplay and about par on story.

No way I'm going to for out $100aud when I got both Torchlight and Torchlight 2 for $20aud...

 

[Liberaliter]

Easily Torchlight 2. Why? No DRM, there is LAN support, you don't have to be constantly online, mod support and a game editor tool, character customisation, able to distribute skill points. What has Diablo 3 got going for it? Nothing but a name. Couple that with all the bullshit from Blizzard over always having to be online and how they like to damage customers to 'stop pirates' (which they won't be able to anyway), why should I support their title?

Torchlight 2 looks to be awesome and serves as an opposite to Diablo 3, in that they respect their customers and are doing the right thing, plus it is being made by former Diablo 1 and 2 devs anyway.

Edit: Forgot to add, it's cheaper as well and will probably end up being the same length as Diablo 3 if not longer.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Torchlight 2. Gameplay looks more fun in general.

Also because, if this wasn't blizzard, a company with enough fanbois to cover a small country, people would flip the fuck out at these server failures, online only, auction house nonsense.

And, the people behind D3 weren't the guys who made the original 2 - it's a whole new team. The team behind D2 and D1 work at runic now and consider torchlight 2 the spiritual successor to D2

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Torchlight 2. I can't support always-on DRM in single player games.

And before the thread is flooded with people asking where's the "both" option in the poll, this is obviously a topic for people who will only choose one of these two games.

captcha: road apples

I've been getting the weirdest captchas lately.

Why not? In this day and age most people have an internet connection and it ensures a better game experience in games like D3 where hacked items can truly ruin it.

Getting lag and having to queue for single player. Server problems stop you playing a SINGLEPLAYER game.

Just a few weeks ago, I was having HUGE internet troubles, and doing all I could to fix them. If I wanted to play diablo, nope.
However, My internet was alright enough that it would launch steam long enough for me to switch to offline mode, then I could play torchlight 2 as long as I want.

And about hacked items ruining it? Play with your friends, and only if they don't hack. Diablo doesn't seem that fun to play with randoms.

I would buy Torchlight 2 but my computer probably isn't up to snuff.

Are you perchance playing on a toaster?


torchlight could run on practically anything, and T2 won't be much more intensive.

 

[Soopy]

I would buy Torchlight 2 but my computer probably isn't up to snuff.

Are you perchance playing on a toaster?


torchlight 2 could run on practically anything, and T2 won't be much more intensive.

Hahaha, I have to admit. I was VERY surprised at how well Torchlight runs on max settings. I think it is easily more visually appealing then D3 on the maximum settings my system will allow.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

I would buy Torchlight 2 but my computer probably isn't up to snuff.

Are you perchance playing on a toaster?


torchlight 2 could run on practically anything, and T2 won't be much more intensive.

Hahaha, I have to admit. I was VERY surprised at how well Torchlight runs on max settings. I think it is easily more visually appealing then D3 on the maximum settings my system will allow.

I like the look of it in general more then diablo. I like cartoony graphics, even in a serious game. Just easier to look at.

 

[Soopy]

I would buy Torchlight 2 but my computer probably isn't up to snuff.

Are you perchance playing on a toaster?


torchlight 2 could run on practically anything, and T2 won't be much more intensive.

Hahaha, I have to admit. I was VERY surprised at how well Torchlight runs on max settings. I think it is easily more visually appealing then D3 on the maximum settings my system will allow.

I like the look of it in general more then diablo. I like cartoony graphics, even in a serious game. Just easier to look at.

Yeah it is easier to look at.
I dunno what it is, but something about D3 just looks very not 2012.

 

[Soopy]

Torchlight 2. I can't support always-on DRM in single player games.

And before the thread is flooded with people asking where's the "both" option in the poll, this is obviously a topic for people who will only choose one of these two games.

captcha: road apples

I've been getting the weirdest captchas lately.

Why not? In this day and age most people have an internet connection and it ensures a better game experience in games like D3 where hacked items can truly ruin it.

Getting lag and having to queue for single player. Server problems stop you playing a SINGLEPLAYER game.

Just a few weeks ago, I was having HUGE internet troubles, and doing all I could to fix them. If I wanted to play diablo, nope.
However, My internet was alright enough that it would launch steam long enough for me to switch to offline mode, then I could play torchlight 2 as long as I want.

And about hacked items ruining it? Play with your friends, and only if they don't hack. Diablo doesn't seem that fun to play with randoms.

That queue was only an issue for the first 48 hours and I can't see any more server problems...
I have steady internet and haven't an issue with Diablo III. It means that I can hop in and out of friends games, while knowing no hacked items will appear, and can make use of a 24/7 auction house. It really sounds like the people against D3 simply have a bad connection, and try to justify TL2 because of it. Makes TL2 sound like the choice for people who simply can't run D3.

I can run D3, but the game bores me. The combat just feels flat and the graphics, IMO, are no better then TL2.
D3 also feels like its horribly optimized.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

As always, I hope chopping up your post doesn't lead you to perceive a tone of condescension. It helps me organize my thoughts.

Pay to win implies it's spawned into the game.

No, it implies exactly what it sounds like. Paying money for an in-game advantage is pay-to-win.

You cannot argue that point.

Then I shall die in the attempt!

Those same items can be bought by in game currency, and still involve a player investing the time into attaining those items.

The seller invest his time as per usual, but the buyer has not invested his. He invests dollars instead. That's the definition of pay-to-win if there ever was such a thing.

Pay to win is spawning items into the game that did not exist prior to this: in this case, they already exist in that another player spent the time or crafting necessary to make it, and then chose to sell it for an alternative currency rather then the in-game one.

This is a totally arbitrary distinction contrived specifically to bend the definition of pay-to-win around Blizzard's RMAH and defend their practices. These contrivances are becoming ever more absurd to keep pace with Blizzard's policies.

If anything, it's pay to be lazy. Which already existed in these games anyways. The "advantage" is available to any player willing to put the time in, not just those willing to slap down money. And clearly anyone can obtain, because someone has to first unlock/find/create the item before it can even appear on the AH.

The same applies to many games which use a more standard and uncontroversially 'pay-to-win' model.

Don't get rude, when clearly you don't understand the concept yourself, you just jump on the hate train.

ALL ABOARD THAT'S COMIN' ABOARD!!! HATE TRAIN IS LEAVING THE STATION!!!

Even if I'm wrong about an auction house that accepts real money falling under the definition of pay-to-win, the point is it sucks. Games are more fun when they have a sense of fair play- when the rules are the same for everyone. Especially when collecting loot is a big part of the game's draw and challenge, the real money auction house ruins that. It's about as satisfying as mailing the items out to players randomly. It ruins the game's sense of fair play, it's sense of challenge and achievement, as well as the concept of the auction house itself. It's no fun.

For years, if you bought gold or items in games like World of Warcraft you couldn't show your face on a gaming site like this one. Now Blizzard is doing something even worse and everyone thinks it's wonderful. It's a really remarkable reversal of widely held opinions.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

That queue was only an issue for the first 48 hours and I can't see any more server problems...
I have steady internet and haven't an issue with Diablo III. It means that I can hop in and out of friends games, while knowing no hacked items will appear, and can make use of a 24/7 auction house. It really sounds like the people against D3 simply have a bad connection, and try to justify TL2 because of it. Makes TL2 sound like the choice for people who simply can't run D3.

I don't know if I'm 'against' Diablo III... despite all my gripes, the truth is, I would love to play it. Even though I gripe about the DRM, my connection is perfectly fine, so that's not the issue for me. At the moment, I can't run either game. Hopefully I'll be able to run both soon. I found Torchlight a little underwhelming, but I am interested to see how the sequel turns out. And the items won't be hacked, but people will be buying them with money. Is that really an improvement? Personally it's the same to me if they're hacking it or buying it with real money.