Just those two? Everything else gets taken down by a knee-to-groin?Kathinka said:i hope the toppic creator does not get the wrong picture though...most of the stuff here listed are sports, made for competetive reasons and recreation. no matter how good in in karate or whatever you are, an experienced thugh or violent barfighter will still hand your ass to yourself on a silver plate...
the only ones of those listed really usefull in actual self defense would be krav maga and sambo. everything else might help due to improved fitnes and such, but it's techniques will get you smacked to the ground by old-fashioned knee-to-groin^^ unfortunately it is not easy to find schools for krav maga and sambo outside isreal / russia.
<== 7 years krav maga
Muay Thai trains with knee strikes and obviously how to counter knee strikes, a quick foot jab and you have stopped a person from getting close and put them into a defensive position allowing a follow up step-up knee-kick... which obviously involves a person getting knee'd in the face.
Know I dont know about you but I think that seems to have stopped a knee to the groin.
Lets be honest, unless this person has unusually long knees a form of self-defence is going to show you how to guard against something like that.