Poll: So the TSA is letting people carry knives on planes

[Dirty Hipsters]

Problem is, I don't have a single knife that fits all these characteristics. Most of my folding knives either have liner or frame locks, and even the ones that don't tend to have blades longer than 2.5 inches (a hair over 6cm). Even the smallest knife I have, a spyderco grasshopper, wouldn't be allowed on a plane because the blade is wider than 1/2 an inch.

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For some reason, I think my knife break's most of those rules. With it being my only knife, I think I'd have ot just figure out another way to bring it with me.

Cause seriously, I hate not having my knife on me.

This is my personal favorite EDC knife that I carry with me most days:

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Yeah, no way they're going to let my Kershaw Tremor on a plane.

 

[Duncan Belfast]

Shouldn't the insane rulings start by removing the insane rulings rather than those who can be justified? Sure a 6cm knife wont be enough to hijack the plane or kill a lot of people, but you could stir up some hell. However a bottle of water, a tube of toothpaste, jam, perfume or moisturizer is strictly prohibited.

If I recall correctly, that rule was implemented in response to an attempt to simultaneously blow up ten planes by using liquid explosives stored in things like water bottles, toothpaste tubes, etc.

On topic: I wouldn't really feel the need to.

 

[AuronFtw]

I own 7 knives, and not one of them is under 6 cm. I would hesitate to call anything under 6cm a "knife" anyway, shit that tiny is a letter opener. Even multitool blades are longer than that, and they're hardly even knives already.

All this says is that whoever lays down the law at TSA is pants on head retarded.

 

[Strazdas]

I think this is a stupid idea. you should not be allowed to carry any kniveso n board.

Water is still classified as a deadly weapon, then?

Apparently, although according to the TSA website you are allowed to carry ice.

Thats because with bottles, you cant know whether its water or some liquid explosion, and with Ice, well, lets jsut say liquid explosions dont freeze like that.

 

[SnowyGamester]

Imma say yes even though I'm not planning on travelling to the USA any time soon (therefore I don't have to contend with the TSA rules) however I'll be bringing mine when I fly to PAX Aus later in the year. It lives hooked to my keys and flash drive so I take it with me wherever I go anyway...thing can be handy with all the little whatsits it has in it, even if I usually only use it to cut my fingernails and open boxes.

Spoiler: Hey wait is it knife sharing time?

Dat's mine

 

[Lieju]

Probably not.

I like carrying a Swiss-army-knife with me, because of how useful it is (the parts I most use are actually the screwdriver-parts), but mine is also expensive enough that I'm not going to risk losing it if they decide it's against the rules after all.
Which is a shame, because a situation where you lose your luggage is one where I'd be happy to at least have that.

Other knives I carry are much bigger but I only keep them with me when on the countryside, where I might need them when outside.

 

[Doclector]

This is kinda a bad idea, I think.

Even if the blade is short, in the right place it can do serious damage.

We're not in the all clear for terrorism, we never will be. It's simply not worth the risk.

 

[Yopaz]

Shouldn't the insane rulings start by removing the insane rulings rather than those who can be justified? Sure a 6cm knife wont be enough to hijack the plane or kill a lot of people, but you could stir up some hell. However a bottle of water, a tube of toothpaste, jam, perfume or moisturizer is strictly prohibited.

If I recall correctly, that rule was implemented in response to an attempt to simultaneously blow up ten planes by using liquid explosives stored in things like water bottles, toothpaste tubes, etc.

On topic: I wouldn't really feel the need to.

And knives can be used to stab and kill someone. With a 6cm blade I could even use it to make a bomb.
It's also absurdly easy to separate liquid explosives from water. If I take a sip from my bottle then clearly it can't be explosive. Simple chemical tests would also show the result. Now i'm not saying that there's no danger in letting people bring water bottles with them. I am just saying that a knife is even worse.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

If I take a sip from my bottle then clearly it can't be explosive. Simple chemical tests would also show the result. Now i'm not saying that there's no danger in letting people bring water bottles with them. I am just saying that a knife is even worse.

Suicide bombers are gonna be super put off about having to taste explosives. It might be icky! Or even make them SICK?! What if they dont get better?! (sarcasm aside, a suicide bombers life is measured in hours after they get on a plane so why would they give a fuck, pick an explosive that when drunk will kill them in about 6 hours, plenty of time to arm the bomb. Problem solved.)

Also chemically testing ALL the toothpaste ALL the water ALL the liquids. I mean eugh. Thats even more draconion and time consuming than anything else. Just chuck it away is the fastest route.

 

[Soviet Steve]

I was flying last summer and while in Holland I had the chance to close-read one of the posters that announced what wasn't allowed on a plane. Amongst them were catapults and ballistas.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I was flying last summer and while in Holland I had the chance to close-read one of the posters that announced what wasn't allowed on a plane. Amongst them were catapults and ballistas.

Well, how would they feel if they didn't ban them, and a terrorist brought down a plane with a trebuchet?

Cap: bark ing mad

Yeah, like that.

 

[Sansha]

I would argue that it would be extraordinarily difficult for a person or even group of people to conquer an airliner using only 6cm blades against a cabin full of people who really fucking hate terrorists and would be just itching for a chance to brutally beat the stupid out of them.

The USA's policy on terrorists isn't 'sit and co-operate' anymore. Not since 9/11, when terrorism isn't just about ransom and demands anymore. Look at Flight 93 - they got their freedom on and nearly saved the plane, and definitely saved the target.

 

[Yopaz]

If I take a sip from my bottle then clearly it can't be explosive. Simple chemical tests would also show the result. Now i'm not saying that there's no danger in letting people bring water bottles with them. I am just saying that a knife is even worse.

Suicide bombers are gonna be super put off about having to taste explosives. It might be icky! Or even make them SICK?! What if they dont get better?! (sarcasm aside, a suicide bombers life is measured in hours after they get on a plane so why would they give a fuck, pick an explosive that when drunk will kill them in about 6 hours, plenty of time to arm the bomb. Problem solved.)

Also chemically testing ALL the toothpaste ALL the water ALL the liquids. I mean eugh. Thats even more draconion and time consuming than anything else. Just chuck it away is the fastest route.

You know, most explosives are highly toxic. Consuming even small amounts could cause them to vomit blood. Yes, suicide bombers could probably take that risk because they wouldn't care about getting sick. It's not like they're planning to live it through anyway, that's true. However if they were to drink something that would make them them deadly sick and cause them to lose the skin inside their mouth don't you think that would be enough to tip us off that they are not carrying water?

Oh, you also conveniently ignored the part where I said that I wasn't saying that there was no danger danger in letting us bring water. You ignored the part where I said a knife can be used as a murder weapon, you ignored that I mentioned it can be used to make a bomb. Tell me how a knife is less dangerous than a bottle of water. Because that's the point I am trying to make here.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

You know, most explosives are highly toxic. Consuming even small amounts could cause them to vomit blood. Yes, suicide bombers could probably take that risk because they wouldn't care about getting sick. It's not like they're planning to live it through anyway, that's true. However if they were to drink something that would make them them deadly sick and cause them to lose the skin inside their mouth don't you think that would be enough to tip us off that they are not carrying water?

Oh, you also conveniently ignored the part where I said that I wasn't saying that there was no danger danger in letting us bring water. You ignored the part where I said a knife can be used as a murder weapon, you ignored that I mentioned it can be used to make a bomb. Tell me how a knife is less dangerous than a bottle of water. Because that's the point I am trying to make here.

But some are not :3 Im pretty confident nitroglycerin isnt toxic immediately. All im saying is if they are aware the only test is to drink it thats easily bypassed.

I didnt address those because i agree. A knife is way more dangerous.

The points i disputed were these two, everything else we agreed on:

Tasting was a useful test in any way shape or form.

Testing the liquid would be easy or more efficient.

The rest isnt relevent to what i wanted to say. We agree.

 

[x EvilErmine x]

WTF?...Why are you even bring a knife on a plain in the first place? What's that all about? What possible use would you have for a blade while on a flight?

If you absolutely need a knife where you are going then check that shit in with your luggage and and declare it with customs.

Oh and btw, anyone who says a 6cm blade isn't really that dangerous is talking out of their arse. Anything with an sharp edge can be deadly in the right hands (or should that be wrong hands?).

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Spoiler: What Yopaz said

You know, most explosives are highly toxic. Consuming even small amounts could cause them to vomit blood. Yes, suicide bombers could probably take that risk because they wouldn't care about getting sick. It's not like they're planning to live it through anyway, that's true. However if they were to drink something that would make them them deadly sick and cause them to lose the skin inside their mouth don't you think that would be enough to tip us off that they are not carrying water?

Oh, you also conveniently ignored the part where I said that I wasn't saying that there was no danger danger in letting us bring water. You ignored the part where I said a knife can be used as a murder weapon, you ignored that I mentioned it can be used to make a bomb. Tell me how a knife is less dangerous than a bottle of water. Because that's the point I am trying to make here.

But some are not :3 Im pretty confident nitroglycerin isnt toxic immediately...

It's not toxic, it's actually sometimes used to treat Angina as it can promote vasodilation and increase blood flow.

In cases of high exposure (such as industrial exposure from demolition explosive) then it can cause intense headaches, a condition known as 'bang head' lolz

 

[Undomesticated Equine]

I have a Swiss knife on my keys and I never put it down and carry it always with me if i could take it on airplane i would after all i carry it on a bus, train whatever.

 

[Yopaz]

You know, most explosives are highly toxic. Consuming even small amounts could cause them to vomit blood. Yes, suicide bombers could probably take that risk because they wouldn't care about getting sick. It's not like they're planning to live it through anyway, that's true. However if they were to drink something that would make them them deadly sick and cause them to lose the skin inside their mouth don't you think that would be enough to tip us off that they are not carrying water?

Oh, you also conveniently ignored the part where I said that I wasn't saying that there was no danger danger in letting us bring water. You ignored the part where I said a knife can be used as a murder weapon, you ignored that I mentioned it can be used to make a bomb. Tell me how a knife is less dangerous than a bottle of water. Because that's the point I am trying to make here.

But some are not :3 Im pretty confident nitroglycerin isnt toxic immediately. All im saying is if they are aware the only test is to drink it thats easily bypassed.

I didnt address those because i agree. A knife is way more dangerous.

The points i disputed were these two, everything else we agreed on:

Tasting was a useful test in any way shape or form.

Testing the liquid would be easy or more efficient.

The rest isnt relevent to what i wanted to say. We agree.

WTF?...Why are you even bring a knife on a plain in the first place? What's that all about? What possible use would you have for a blade while on a flight?

If you absolutely need a knife where you are going then check that shit in with your luggage and and declare it with customs.

Oh and btw, anyone who says a 6cm blade isn't really that dangerous is talking out of their arse. Anything with an sharp edge can be deadly in the right hands (or should that be wrong hands?).

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It's not toxic, it's actually sometimes used to treat Angina as it can promote vasodilation and increase blood flow.

In cases of high exposure (such as industrial exposure from demolition explosive) then it can cause intense headaches, a condition known as 'bang head' lolz

Nitrglycerin is lethal in doses higher than 200mg-1200mg so it is classified as highly toxic even though it is used as heart medication. In fact a lot of medicines are highly toxic.

However I will agree that neither tasting or chemical testing are good solutions. I just find airport security in general to be stupid and that it's a step in a stupider direction when they suddenly will allow knives.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

That's interesting news. What about tweasers, small scissors (eg. grooming, manicuring) and other such small sharps?

 

[Alfador_VII]

I was flying last summer and while in Holland I had the chance to close-read one of the posters that announced what wasn't allowed on a plane. Amongst them were catapults and ballistas.

Well, how would they feel if they didn't ban them, and a terrorist brought down a plane with a trebuchet?

Cap: bark ing mad

Yeah, like that.

That list doesn't seem to include Trebuchets, so the threat of Dutch airliners being taken down by medieval siege weaponry is still very real...