Poll: So where do you stand on Anonymous and why?
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I support Anonymous (and slightly off topic...Wikileaks) the more light that is shed on a situation, the better. Anyone who keeps major corporations and asshat politicians on their toes is a winner in my book.
Naturally, as with anything, I do not agree with everything they do. Blind faith in anything only leads to your own downfall.
But in general...my hat's off to you, Anon!
Naturally, as with anything, I do not agree with everything they do. Blind faith in anything only leads to your own downfall.
But in general...my hat's off to you, Anon!
I think they're a moderator of sorts. If somebody gets out of hand on the internet, it's nice to have a body willing to say "NOPE" and smack them down with all the dispassion of someone swatting a fly.
Still, I do think they can go out of hand- but for the most part, their escapades have been relativley innocuous as of late. Attacking people that torture animals? Cool by me. Attacking Westboro Baptist? Still cool. Attacking companies that target filesharers? Eh, slightly less cool, but I'm not exactly up in arms over it.
Still, I do think they can go out of hand- but for the most part, their escapades have been relativley innocuous as of late. Attacking people that torture animals? Cool by me. Attacking Westboro Baptist? Still cool. Attacking companies that target filesharers? Eh, slightly less cool, but I'm not exactly up in arms over it.
Well it's practically a human hive mind, so your question is more akin to asking where I stand on people, and I don't have a real opinion there.
People are capable of some really douchebaggy things, even evil things, they're also capable of incredible good, anonymous reflects this.
People are capable of some really douchebaggy things, even evil things, they're also capable of incredible good, anonymous reflects this.
You do realize they are anonymous to avoid legal repercussion right? Not just because they don't want people to know their identity.creager91 said:
I personally support them as they are today's most active group in defending freedom of information and expression.
Also, the lulz
I feel I should point out that half the reason they are so righteous is because they have a chance to send someone to jail etc.Zuljiin said:
On the whole, you can't say you have a position on "anonymous". It is not organised, it doesn't occur on only one website - it is simply anyone on the internet. Almost anyone who doesn't have a large amount of information about themselves online is anonymous. Even when named someone is still anonymous.
Think of it as being similar to the term "People". You don't tend to refer to your friends as people, they are friends. A large mass of humans are people. But amongst those people could be friends, compatriots, criminals, enemies and what have you. When you think of "anonymous" along these lines then you can start to understand the term. Even when you look at websites like 4chan you have a large group of people who have many different reasons for being there.
I have to admit, this piqued my curiosity. Surely you believe in freedom of speech to some extent? Or do you mean to say that if you, as a person, were simply barred from saying anything, you would be totally fine with that. It just baffles me how someone, in this day and age, can actually claim to be against freedom of speech - and still have the audacity to voice their opinion. I would appreciate an answer as you seem to have your reasons. Furthermore, you say that anonymous are most likely geeks who were bullied in school etc. I'd like to refer you to what I said above. That being said, I find that the people who visit 4chan and other such sites aren't even "geeks" as you would put it. If anything, they are generally from middle-lower class backgrounds and suffer from short attention spans. The ones who bully people do it, as has been mentioned, simply for a laugh. There is nothing more or less to it -mostly- than that.MelasZepheos said:
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I've said it before, I'll say it again: They are NOT pro-free speech, they are ANTI-free speech. No? Well, maybe someone could explain to me how taking down what someone said on their own website and replacing it with something you said is free speech? It simply isn't, and if you believe otherwise then you don't know what the term even means.Zuljiin said:
Freedom isn't the same thing as anarchy. In a free society, people can do what they wish but must take responsibility for their actions and they must coexist with others. With anarchism, however, the strongest--or in the case of Anonymous, those who can haxxor the best--dominate others and do pretty much whatever they want. And ultimately, that's what many members of Anonymous are really all about--anarchism, and forcing your own point of view on others. Unfortunately, since they go after targets that will appeal to certain people--anyone who even criticizes Julian Assange, Fred Phelps--people on the Internet seem to mistake them for some sort of heroes.
They're delusional. They seem to have this image of themselves as the "Robin Hood" of the internet, but they really don't DO anything. They fight meaningless battles that serve only to feed their own egos. They're immature, perverted, and offensive.
Meh I don't really care, I mean some of the stuff they do you can agree with them. But since they have no agenda, other than 'teh lulz', they're not really my concern.
It's not about cowardice as much as it's about lack of stupidity, I mean they really couldn't do much if they're all arrested, could they.creager91 said:
OT: The thing you have to understand about Anonymous is that they're not very organized, they're a pretty anarchic group, they have no leadership or official spokesmen or whatever. That means that everything and nothing that they do is `official' Anonymous business. That's what they mean by they are everyone and they are no one. Basically, anyone can hack any website and post words with a headless suit and nobody would know the difference. That's why they seem so schizophrenic a lot of the time, because there are different people doing different things under the same name. That's how it works to my understanding at least.
Everything they've been doing to protect our freedoms on the internet, I agree with. What they're doing in that realm is important, and they're using the few tools they have to help in big ways, and for that they deserve a pat on the back or two. The web needs to stay free and open, and they're doing more than anyone to help keep it that way.
I'm not gonna lie, the whole IDEA of anonymous kind of scares me, they seem to act like an ill trained attack dog, they can be noble and know what they are doing but they can also react really immaturely and viscously when prodded, they need to show more maturity in their responses to being poked at. They seem to be trying to gain respect through fear and are currently trying to demonstrate just what power they have. This power needs to be kept in check. They need organization or they will ultimately be destroyed by conflict withing themselves and personal agendas.
Why are people so happy to tell you they're part of 4chan?
"Yeah, you know that faceless, hive-like entity on the internet? The one that owns image boards filled with profanity, nudity, rascism and scat? The one that threatens harmless middle schoolers? I'm totally part of that."
Way to gain respect, dumbass.
"Yeah, you know that faceless, hive-like entity on the internet? The one that owns image boards filled with profanity, nudity, rascism and scat? The one that threatens harmless middle schoolers? I'm totally part of that."
Way to gain respect, dumbass.