Poll: So windows 8 then...
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Well considering that the devs that don't like it don't like it because it's not an open platform, it would seem the most logical option would be Linux since that's going to be THE open platform, though I'm guessing most big companies will stick to Windows and possibly expand to Mac, since they are more popular.
Most game developers will probably do what's necessary to make software that's compatible with Windows 8. However, I think that, as time moves on, more and more developers are going to be heading over to Mac and Linux, especially once Valve releases steam for Linux.
But really, developers will develop for whatever system is the most profitable, and if that continues to be windows, most of them will continue developing for windows, no matter how shitty the newer ones get.
But really, developers will develop for whatever system is the most profitable, and if that continues to be windows, most of them will continue developing for windows, no matter how shitty the newer ones get.
Well honestly how many big games even come out exclusively for PC or with PC in mind first? If things really do stay as bad as they seem then I think maybe the big name devs might just not work on PC ports anymore, and smaller publishers and developers would just move to Linux.
Though I doubt microsoft will even care, windows 8 is going to put a dent, albeit small dent, in their revenue. Microsoft is like Blizzard: they think they know best and refuse to listen to their fans, however come launch day they'll be begging for forgiveness.
Okay guys, prepare for my rant...AGAIN!
Windows 8's main differences from Windows 7 are:
Slightly different UI changes
A hell of a lot more optimised
Integration with Windows Live accounts (now called Microsoft accounts)
Start Menu is now full screen
A closed Metro environment ON TOP OF the normal PC UI
Windows 8 is not closed off if you use it on a regular PC. Windows RT (the tablet version of Windows 8) is as closed as you would expect a tablet, although developer access is still easy to get hold of.
Feel free to question me on this, I've been using the previews since about February and three of us in our house are using Windows 8 RTM as our main OS
EDIT: Oh yes, and developers don't need to make a lot of their software compatible with Windows 8, at least not Steam. I've been using Steam for months on Win8 and it's only been as fucky as Steam is for me anyway
Windows 8's main differences from Windows 7 are:
Slightly different UI changes
A hell of a lot more optimised
Integration with Windows Live accounts (now called Microsoft accounts)
Start Menu is now full screen
A closed Metro environment ON TOP OF the normal PC UI
Windows 8 is not closed off if you use it on a regular PC. Windows RT (the tablet version of Windows 8) is as closed as you would expect a tablet, although developer access is still easy to get hold of.
Feel free to question me on this, I've been using the previews since about February and three of us in our house are using Windows 8 RTM as our main OS
EDIT: Oh yes, and developers don't need to make a lot of their software compatible with Windows 8, at least not Steam. I've been using Steam for months on Win8 and it's only been as fucky as Steam is for me anyway
Anything by Blizzard.Gatx said:
BF3.
All strategy games, whether RTS or 4X.
MMOs.
Its not that hard.
If we're going "What AAA action adventure/FPS/TPS games come out exclusively for PC" then sure, it gets hard. Any games though? That's not even trying.
Do not want.Megacherv said:
Haven't really noticed, but that's probably because my PC boots in 3 seconds anyway. Nice for low powered laptops I guess.
DEFINITELY do not want.
Do not want.
Uhh, from my experience its the other way around. You can run Desktop as an App for Metro, but Metro is where its based, do correct me if I'm wrong.
Not going to argue with the rest of it as after the first couple of Betas I decided there was no way in hell I'm installing it on my PC, but it has done nothing but be a hassle for me the whole time I used it.
OT: They'll likely stick with Windows, as there really is no need to upgrade. Windows 7 works fine, and that's where a lot of PC gamers will stay. Develop for Windows, and those people get to play, Windows 8 people get to play, and everyone ends up happy.
Now, come Windows 9 or 10, if its still this same crap, then there might be problems, but for now its easiest just to stick with Windows and use your personal favoured version of the OS until it is no longer compatible.
I expect most of the visual changes will be customisable. There's no way MS aren't going to put an option to replace the fullscreen tablet-style start menu with the classic taskbar and start menu.
Anybody who thinks they will go to Linux is delusional. Most people still haven't even heard of Linux.
It's actually much better than the Win7 start menu, as you can just pin what you use onto it, rather than have everything, and you can organise them all into separate categories as well. For me switch isn't that much of an issue as I use the taskbar for launching stuff.Joccaren said:
Nope, you can click on a tile in the start menu to go to the desktop, but it is not an 'app'. Once you go to the desktop, it's like using Windows 7. By default you boot into the start menu, but the desktop is running underneath that.
Well considering so far everything I've chucked at it 8 has managed to install issue free, all this windows 8 is bad for gaming is stupid. And as for the game dev's who are throwing their dummy out the pram (notch and gabe), it's only because it has it's own store, Microsoft ARE NOT forcing you to buy from them or go through them to allow you to sell/install software onto systems.
Other than the GUI (which is rather marmite) the thing actually runs as well as 7, and while i might not upgrade since I don't like the GUI, it's actually a good OS, hell there's an app which puts the start menu back in which leaves me tempted.
As for games going over to linux, sure games will but it will be exactly the same as the games for Macs on steam, not many on there (yes it's growing but still). I have a very low opinion of Linux though, so it's probably just me but I've found any distro which I've used has been horrible to use, and they look horrible too, if there not going for the basic style (windows basic theme) they just have transparency on the windows.
Other than the GUI (which is rather marmite) the thing actually runs as well as 7, and while i might not upgrade since I don't like the GUI, it's actually a good OS, hell there's an app which puts the start menu back in which leaves me tempted.
As for games going over to linux, sure games will but it will be exactly the same as the games for Macs on steam, not many on there (yes it's growing but still). I have a very low opinion of Linux though, so it's probably just me but I've found any distro which I've used has been horrible to use, and they look horrible too, if there not going for the basic style (windows basic theme) they just have transparency on the windows.
if Microsoft Hardlines their certification mumbo jumbo, the game devs will try to ignore it. Tailor everything to work on Windows 7, until Microsoft either backs down on their certification demands or obsolesces Windows 7, which I imagine won't be for a long time yet.
Either that, or they'll just cave and we'll be all tangled up in antitrust bullshit over again. Either way. Doesn't matter to me.
Either that, or they'll just cave and we'll be all tangled up in antitrust bullshit over again. Either way. Doesn't matter to me.
Developers might still stick with Windows, it just might not be Windows 8. Some developers are starting to doubt Windows 8 and I trust developers who actually have to research the platform in depth than people on the internet with some opinion or another. Software development on the PC has always had a huge benefit from the freedom of a PC. Removing this can't be anything but bad.
Windows 8 wont be as closed as people think it will, but developers are doubting the progress into getting more closed and some doesn't want to support what Microsoft is doing since if they accept it now Microsoft might get the idea to close it more. Maybe Valve will start supporting Linux and transfer their entire game library over there. In that case I see no reason not to use Linux. Maybe it will tell Microsoft to work it out with the major developers and keep their system as half open as it is now.It's all in the future so all we can do is guess.
Windows 8 wont be as closed as people think it will, but developers are doubting the progress into getting more closed and some doesn't want to support what Microsoft is doing since if they accept it now Microsoft might get the idea to close it more. Maybe Valve will start supporting Linux and transfer their entire game library over there. In that case I see no reason not to use Linux. Maybe it will tell Microsoft to work it out with the major developers and keep their system as half open as it is now.It's all in the future so all we can do is guess.
Sounds like what my Desktop is used for, with my Start menu being used for all my programs so that I can get to them easily, rather than going through my Computer and such. Organizing into separate categories I've always done on my Desktop anyway, either 'unofficially' by placing the icons in certain parts of the screen dependent on their program type, or 'officially' by using free programs like Fences.Megacherv said:
As for Metro, so long as it boots to it, I'm not going to like it. Its easier just to login and get to my desktop instantly with Windows 7 then it is to log in, find the Desktop button - which is annoying thanks to how similar all the buttons look, and then go to desktop. It adds in an unnecessary extra step because MS seems to like touchscreen stuff now. Fine, for your phone OS. Not on my desktop.
I haven't even got Windows 7 yet, so I'm gonna upgrade to that first.
I think Windows 8 would go great on tablets and those touch-screen laptops & PCs, but for regular desktops and laptops where a mouse and keyboard are the main peripherals, Windows 8 is nothing more than a hinderance.
Why are Microsoft pushing something nobody entirely even wants? Windows 7 is still in its prime.
I think Windows 8 would go great on tablets and those touch-screen laptops & PCs, but for regular desktops and laptops where a mouse and keyboard are the main peripherals, Windows 8 is nothing more than a hinderance.
Why are Microsoft pushing something nobody entirely even wants? Windows 7 is still in its prime.