Poll: Some simple perspective

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Reasonable Atheist

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SO, you would need some serious willpower to ignore all the controversial gender politics going on with regards to the escapist forums, seems like every time I want to see something funny about games, i gotta see some serious drama about gender representation in the "Gaming community". This thread is meant to add a small amount of perspective, with regards to that community. Feel free to not participate in the pole if you consider your genetic make up to be some kind of secret.

Lets all see just how much more female perspective needs to be injected into video game culture, with the most simple tool available.

Please, PLEASE, I beg you all to leave your drama at the door. This is a fact finding mission

Disclaimer: yes, I am a straight white male in his 20s, and I apologise for that. However I somehow manage to play as female characters quite often without suffering some sort of internalized emotional turmoil. Femshep for life, black widow perks, all that jazz. Fun stuff.

Captcha: white bread.... haha
 

Raikas

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Reasonable Atheist said:
SO, you would need some serious willpower to ignore all the controversial gender politics going on with regards to the escapist forums, seems like every time I want to see something funny about games, i gotta see some serious drama about gender representation in the "Gaming community". This thread is meant to add a small amount of perspective, with regards to that community. Feel free to not participate in the pole if you consider your genetic make up to be some kind of secret.

Lets all see just how much more female perspective needs to be injected into video game culture, with the most simple tool available.
I think a missing factor that could skew your data on this is age. Depending on the audience here, if the age/gender spread is at all uneven (which is certainly possible), that could be impacting the final numbers.
 

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Raikas said:
I think a missing factor that could skew your data on this is age. Depending on the audience here, if the age/gender spread is at all uneven (which is certainly possible), that could be impacting the final numbers.
If the focus and desired data are entirely based in gender then I think the impact of age on the numbers shouldn't be an issue. Even if it has an effect on the data, it is still the data that we wanted. If I wanted to see how many leaves would fall into my hand if I went outside I wouldn't include the wind speed just because it affects the results, because all I wanted was the actual number I get in the end.
This is of course assuming that you wanted more specific data from the poll. If you are concerned about representation, I think the escapist will do an acceptable job of representing the gaming public's statistics in regards to gender difference amongst age groups.
 

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So, we're gauging how much female perspective needs to be added into gaming culture based on a poll in a gaming community that is overwhelmingly menfolk?

Or am I missing the point of the poll?
Reasonable Atheist said:
I am a straight white male in his 20s, and I apologise for that.
No one asked you to, I wish people would stop preempting imaginary SJWs. :/
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Seems odd to ask to vote on the basis of genetic makeup, considering that very few people actually know what their genetic makeup is, and rather, operate on an assumption of what it is, and you know what they say about assumptions. I'm just going to presume that you mean "xx" as "woman" and "xy" as man.

Voted. Somewhat related to this, ain't it about time we have the Escapist's annual Gender Census thread?
Yeah, it's a bit weird I have to agree.
Honestly though, whatever. I'm not going to get into the complications of gender identity.
I will, however, point mister Reasonable Atheist at: http://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/TheAmericanFreshman2013-Expanded.pdf which will probably give him more or less the data he is looking for.

voted none the less.
 

nima55

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Why not just ask gender? Why go with something useless like genotype? it's like asking our eye colour in relation to gaming habits.
 

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nima55 said:
Why not just ask gender? Why go with something useless like genotype? it's like asking our eye colour in relation to gaming habits.
It's been a known fact for some time that the casual blue eyes are nowhere near as hardcore or competent as the superior brown eyes.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
nima55 said:
Why not just ask gender? Why go with something useless like genotype? it's like asking our eye colour in relation to gaming habits.
It's been a known fact for some time that the casual blue eyes are nowhere near as hardcore or competent as the superior brown eyes.
What about green eyes? Are we the minority trying to ruin things for everybody else?
 

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Reasonable Atheist said:
SO, you would need some serious willpower to ignore all the controversial gender politics going on with regards to the escapist forums, seems like every time I want to see something funny about games, i gotta see some serious drama about gender representation in the "Gaming community".
Technically, you really shouldn't be seeing any of that in Gaming Discussion because those threads are actually completely off-topic - yet people still insist on making their awful gender politics threads in here anyway as they seem to think is acceptable to do so because they just so happen to be tangentially related to video games. This one you've made is also borderline the same (but at least you don't want drama).
Of course, if you went to Off-Topic or R&P then yes it's clear to see there's quite a kerfuffle. It just needs to stay there until it dies down.
 

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you know, when I was younger, 20 hours a week seemed pretty feasible , but now I just wonder where the fuck I was finding all that time.

obviously, because I only play between 1-19 hours a week, my 'injection' into gaming culture should be lesser.
 

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MrCatchTwenty2 said:
This is of course assuming that you wanted more specific data from the poll. If you are concerned about representation, I think the escapist will do an acceptable job of representing the gaming public's statistics in regards to gender difference amongst age groups.
But does the escapist's membership present a representative sampling of males and females across age ranges? I don't particularly think that it does - which is fine, if you're only looking at it for what it is, but I don't think this site is particularly representative of "the gaming public" in general. I don't know if exact stats have been posted, but isn't the membership here overwhelmingly under 35 and male? You might not think that age is relevant, but the proportion of the population is probably just as skewed as it is for gender, and I suspect has more bearing on one's ability to devote that near-full-day to gaming every week.
 

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Raikas said:
I don't know if exact stats have been posted, but isn't the membership here overwhelmingly under 35 and male? You might not think that age is relevant, but the proportion of the population is probably just as skewed as it is for gender, and I suspect has more bearing on one's ability to devote that near-full-day to gaming every week.
I don't think there are stats posted for this site, not any that I am aware of anyway. However I don't see any particular reason that there would be more representation on this site from one group than any other, that doesn't also affect gaming as whole. I do agree that age would affect you ability to spend that much time gaming(I have found that it is much more difficult to find time to game as I have gotten older) but I would think that it would be equivalent for either gender so it has no relevance here.
 

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Colour Scientist said:
BloatedGuppy said:
nima55 said:
Why not just ask gender? Why go with something useless like genotype? it's like asking our eye colour in relation to gaming habits.
It's been a known fact for some time that the casual blue eyes are nowhere near as hardcore or competent as the superior brown eyes.
What about green eyes? Are we the minority trying to ruin things for everybody else?
People with green eyes are like the green party in the US, you exist but nobody really cares because there's so few of you.
 

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Late 20's male of hispanic descent. Play over 20hours a week on console/handhelds/pc.

I evolved my sleeping habits so that I can game more. Work, gym workouts, and tiredness has got nothing on me.
 

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You know, asking about gonosomes to skip the entire gender/sex debate (distinguishing between sex and gender, many languages don't even have a word for that. For example, german actually borrows the english word 'gender' with german pronounciation.) might actually be the most brilliant idea I've heard today. I think I might be doing that from now on.

captcha: make it so
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Reasonable Atheist

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Some kinda interesting data, if from a small sample size.

MarsAtlas said:
Seems odd to ask to vote on the basis of genetic makeup, considering that very few people actually know what their genetic makeup is, and rather, operate on an assumption of what it is, and you know what they say about assumptions. I'm just going to presume that you mean "xx" as "woman" and "xy" as man.

Voted. Somewhat related to this, ain't it about time we have the Escapist's annual Gender Census thread?
This is because xx is female, and xy is male, what you choose to do with yourself after your birth is your business, and I do not think gender reassignment is very related to this topic, I considered adding in a mutation vote option that does not fall in line with conventional DNA, but I thought the rarity of it would just complicate the topic. Also I myself live in a relatively small town in Canada when compared to places like Vancouver or Toronto, and as such I have never even encountered a gender-swapped individual in my entire life, so maybe I am evil and biases against them or something for just never having seen, or met someone like that outside of media portrayals. I know plenty of homosexual people, but they still count as their own gender regardless of who they choose to bed.

Back to the topic at hand, it is looking like about 25% of the escapist readership is female and spends some time every week playing games, seems like a pretty good amount of people to market some games too, especially since the male perspective is so heavily saturated. The way things are now You might even be able to swing more players into purchasing your game if you heavily market towards the female demographic (see "the sims" success). Because lets not forget, the only thing that has really mattered in this debate since the very beginning is money.

All this being said, it is possible that the escapist readership contains a higher xx concentration of the gaming community then represented as the community as a whole, based on the amount of DudeBro gamers who could not be bothered to read anything. On the flip side of that it is also possible that there is more SheBros out there then Dudebros, that would result in a higher concentration of delicious femininity then the 25% result we got from the poll. For the purposes of this discussion lets just assume 25% is accurate for now.

I don't know about you guys, but I am encouraged by 25%. I would love it if one day 50% was close to the truth, because I love games and I love my girlfriend. I am always disappointed to explain some new game, or just a concept within a game that I am exited about to her, only to have it shielded from her consciousness by her extreme disinterest. Perhaps the next generation of young men will have a better time playing games with women then I had.

Longing said:
you know, when I was younger, 20 hours a week seemed pretty feasible , but now I just wonder where the fuck I was finding all that time.

obviously, because I only play between 1-19 hours a week, my 'injection' into gaming culture should be lesser.
Be assured, your vote is not discounted if it resides in the 1-19 hours a week category.