Poll: Sony Pulls Out of the Console Race
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Lack of competition is never a good thing. But I don't think Sony is out just because they haven't said anything about a new console. Their PS3 is currently far more powerful than the 360 or Wii and they might make the smart choice and stick with it for a few more years.
It will probably be a marketing blow though, since a new console will create some excitement even if it won't bring anything new.
It will probably be a marketing blow though, since a new console will create some excitement even if it won't bring anything new.
That's stupid, if anything we should have a 4th option! Maybe something with actual exclusives like Nintendo, but not Nintendo.
I wish Sega was still around. I may have been a PS1 fan when they were competing with the Saturn, but I miss those guys. I enjoyed their games when they didn't only makes games. Lol, that sounds funny. I guess maybe the pressure was too much for them? They need a console for their games to be good apparently. In any case I think this would be a much different console race right now if there was also a Dreamcast360 in the mix. I would hope they do the Nintendo thing and not just become an open ended port box like the PS3 and Xbox do back and forth, but instead focus on keeping their exclusives a golden quality. (we NEED another console like that!!) Sooo many great game squeals like Powerstone 3 and 4 would be around, and they would be online!
I wish Sega was still around. I may have been a PS1 fan when they were competing with the Saturn, but I miss those guys. I enjoyed their games when they didn't only makes games. Lol, that sounds funny. I guess maybe the pressure was too much for them? They need a console for their games to be good apparently. In any case I think this would be a much different console race right now if there was also a Dreamcast360 in the mix. I would hope they do the Nintendo thing and not just become an open ended port box like the PS3 and Xbox do back and forth, but instead focus on keeping their exclusives a golden quality. (we NEED another console like that!!) Sooo many great game squeals like Powerstone 3 and 4 would be around, and they would be online!
lulz Sony loves the ps3.
Right now PS3 owners are the happiest. Good exclusives, great blu ray player, and free online.
Wii owners buy themselves the "popular system" find out in a month there are no good games for it and wait 6+ months for a new 1st party title.
And Xbox onwers are quite frankly in a weird place. There developer seems to be spending every year trying to alienate it's main player base by pushing a decent product but not what needs to be the focus. It's like M$ was like "Hey not that our system is very popular lets go ahead and just spend all our time making our player base hate us." It's embarrassing and M$ needs to get their act together soon.
And yes people are probably going to bring up "Oh but x made more money than y" thing is in the end it doesn't matter if people are upset with x because the company who controls the quality of it is looney.
Point is don't let the PS3 sales fool you it's doing QUITE WELL in fact IMO the console leader right now
Right now PS3 owners are the happiest. Good exclusives, great blu ray player, and free online.
Wii owners buy themselves the "popular system" find out in a month there are no good games for it and wait 6+ months for a new 1st party title.
And Xbox onwers are quite frankly in a weird place. There developer seems to be spending every year trying to alienate it's main player base by pushing a decent product but not what needs to be the focus. It's like M$ was like "Hey not that our system is very popular lets go ahead and just spend all our time making our player base hate us." It's embarrassing and M$ needs to get their act together soon.
And yes people are probably going to bring up "Oh but x made more money than y" thing is in the end it doesn't matter if people are upset with x because the company who controls the quality of it is looney.
Point is don't let the PS3 sales fool you it's doing QUITE WELL in fact IMO the console leader right now
If Microsoft were the only company making consoles, I'd either recluse to only playing MMOs and Bioware games on my PC or just stop gaming entirely. Seriously, out of all the consoles EVER I put Microsoft's consoles in last place. After the hell that was my 360, even the Virtual Boy ranks higher than that. When the most satisfaction you get out of a system is destroying it with a life-sized Buster Sword, there's something wrong here.
That being said, I highly doubt that Sony will drop out of the console race. They have a very dedicated fan base around the world, plus the article even points out that there is only a 4 million difference between PS3 lifetime sales and 360 lifetime sales, which isn't that big considering how many have been sold by both and the fact that the 360 got a good lead in sales over the Wii and PS3 due to it being released before the other two. Plus as long as Nintendo keeps making their absolutely fantastic first-party titles then there's no way they'll be out of the game either.
That being said, I highly doubt that Sony will drop out of the console race. They have a very dedicated fan base around the world, plus the article even points out that there is only a 4 million difference between PS3 lifetime sales and 360 lifetime sales, which isn't that big considering how many have been sold by both and the fact that the 360 got a good lead in sales over the Wii and PS3 due to it being released before the other two. Plus as long as Nintendo keeps making their absolutely fantastic first-party titles then there's no way they'll be out of the game either.
Except that Microsoft for the past couple years have actually been focusing on the CASUAL crowd. Though if the new Xbox really will be the true "next gen" console, they'll actually be the odd ones out, since the Wii U is more or less a catch up system in terms hardware power. So this time it'll be them, rather than the Wii, that makes it difficult for ports of big name games, and etc. and since they're not tapping into some new market like the Wii did when it split from the pack (if the "720" will, as you say, be the sole hardcore system), it might not actually be a good move to have the first next gen system.
Frankly I do not see Microsoft making consoles forever. I really do not think they want to be in that business. Both Xboxes got to be as successful as they are by hemorrhaging as much money as they could possibly get away with and recouping with crazy license fees. While license fees are the foundation of consoles I seriously doubt that Microsoft really wants to be in the business of developing that hardware.
My prediction is that at some point Microsoft will knife the Xbox hardware division and roll the Xbox branding back into the PC (Home Theatre PC more specifically). Focus on the platform, let their OEM partners deal with the hardware stuff.
The question of course is then how much "console crap" will they bring back to the PC when they hypothetically do that.
The only company that I expect will stay in the console market until they die is Nintendo. I definitely do not see them pivoting or bowing out like ever. They're definitely not Sega -- they're more Japanese Apple.
My prediction is that at some point Microsoft will knife the Xbox hardware division and roll the Xbox branding back into the PC (Home Theatre PC more specifically). Focus on the platform, let their OEM partners deal with the hardware stuff.
The question of course is then how much "console crap" will they bring back to the PC when they hypothetically do that.
The only company that I expect will stay in the console market until they die is Nintendo. I definitely do not see them pivoting or bowing out like ever. They're definitely not Sega -- they're more Japanese Apple.
Er what? Where are you getting your information and speculative rumours from? Sony may have had its issues with the hackings and all, but definitely nothing bad enough to pull out of the "console race". Hell, they could probably survive on the profits the Playstation 2 made this past decade alone. It's been selling twice as long as the original XBOX ever did.
Playstation 4 will come out, just like the next XBOX will. But apparently a little later then Micrsoft. Which is understandable, since the 360 is aging a hell of a lot worse then PS3 is. It NEEDS to get something new out, or die trying. I'll lol hard if the first batch of the 720 is just as bad as the original batch of 360's (shudder).
If anything it'll be Nintendo that suffers. Why buy a HD Wii to play all the games that you can play on the other consoles? Zelda, mario and Donkey Kong are all Nintendo has, and with the WiiU's new confusing looking controller thingamebob, all those casual and family consumers that grabbed the Wii will probably feel alienated. Personally I'd be quite happy to see Nintendo end up like Sega, focusing less on making consoles and more on quality games. I'd kill to have a HD version of Zelda on my PS3.
Playstation 4 will come out, just like the next XBOX will. But apparently a little later then Micrsoft. Which is understandable, since the 360 is aging a hell of a lot worse then PS3 is. It NEEDS to get something new out, or die trying. I'll lol hard if the first batch of the 720 is just as bad as the original batch of 360's (shudder).
If anything it'll be Nintendo that suffers. Why buy a HD Wii to play all the games that you can play on the other consoles? Zelda, mario and Donkey Kong are all Nintendo has, and with the WiiU's new confusing looking controller thingamebob, all those casual and family consumers that grabbed the Wii will probably feel alienated. Personally I'd be quite happy to see Nintendo end up like Sega, focusing less on making consoles and more on quality games. I'd kill to have a HD version of Zelda on my PS3.
Bad. I don't have anything against Microsoft, but we need the diversity out there. Competition inspires greatness, after all.
On the up side it'd mean the end of console exclusives. On the down side no one would be able to afford the console because prices would sky-rocket cause people would have no choice but to buy Microsoft for their console needs. No competition means no reason to bring prices down. There is a slim chance that the massive sales that would follow from being the only console choice would mean prices would drop, but only in a parallel universe where unicorns are real, Nathan Fillion is god and Firefly is into it's 6 season and a movie.
Sir, I am deeply offended.
Nintendo has as much hardcore as MS and Sony do, or even more. Look at Monster Hunter Tri. Look at Sin and Punishment or Kid Icarus: Uprising. There are some immensely challenging games on the Wii, and the DS even moreso. I'm mostly a Nintendo gamer but I'm hardcore and I get most of my fill of hardcore gaming right on my "kiddie" (not your words, I know) systems. The hardest game I can remember playing lately on PS360 was Dark Souls, which isn't THAT tough. I regularly die more often in Nintendo games, and they can be just as punishing about it, if not MUCH moreso.
I don't think you understand what hardcore means if you think only Sony and MS are hardcore. Hardcore is about loving difficulty, and it's about loving video games of all kinds. If you're hardcore you don't scoff at a game and turn the other way; you look at all games, open-minded to any experience that can be fun. Hardcore doesn't mean wanting nothing BUT a challenge in a game, but it means you enjoy being pushed to (and beyond) your limits and improving as a gamer. It means you look at the difficulty settings your first time through and immediately choose the hardest one. But it also means you really look into other consoles and genres that you think you might not like. If someone says a game is good you don't necessarily rush out to buy it, but you don't shoot it down because it's not to your initial liking.
Little King's Story was one of the tougher games I've played this generation. Super Mario Galaxy, despite its relatively easy difficulty level, was one of the most fun. Zack and Wiki had the most difficult puzzling I've encountered this generation. Sin and Punishment had me looking at more game over screens in a 4-hour play session than I've seen in the entirety of Dark Souls. Monster Hunter Tri had more of the most challenging and demanding combat I've enjoyed in an action game. (unlike Dark Souls where a LOT of deaths felt more like the game's fault then my own)
The Wii is very much overlooked when it comes to hardcore games. In general, it's just plain overlooked by everyone. Most people who bought it got the popular first-party titles and ignored the rest. Sorry for the wall of text and I'm sure you didn't mean to say what you did, but hardcore and mature are NOT the same thing.
On that note, it's irrelevant. If Nintendo's Wii U manages to be powerful enough to compete even somewhat with the next-gen consoles, it should be able to handle almost every multi-console title. By the sound of it, it's an easy platform to develop for and Nintendo is listening to developer input on it and changing things accordingly. So I doubt that 3rd party developers will skip Nintendo for their PS4/720/PC titles in the new generation. Thus, the whole "only kiddie games" idea will fly out the window.
Nintendo has as much hardcore as MS and Sony do, or even more. Look at Monster Hunter Tri. Look at Sin and Punishment or Kid Icarus: Uprising. There are some immensely challenging games on the Wii, and the DS even moreso. I'm mostly a Nintendo gamer but I'm hardcore and I get most of my fill of hardcore gaming right on my "kiddie" (not your words, I know) systems. The hardest game I can remember playing lately on PS360 was Dark Souls, which isn't THAT tough. I regularly die more often in Nintendo games, and they can be just as punishing about it, if not MUCH moreso.
I don't think you understand what hardcore means if you think only Sony and MS are hardcore. Hardcore is about loving difficulty, and it's about loving video games of all kinds. If you're hardcore you don't scoff at a game and turn the other way; you look at all games, open-minded to any experience that can be fun. Hardcore doesn't mean wanting nothing BUT a challenge in a game, but it means you enjoy being pushed to (and beyond) your limits and improving as a gamer. It means you look at the difficulty settings your first time through and immediately choose the hardest one. But it also means you really look into other consoles and genres that you think you might not like. If someone says a game is good you don't necessarily rush out to buy it, but you don't shoot it down because it's not to your initial liking.
Little King's Story was one of the tougher games I've played this generation. Super Mario Galaxy, despite its relatively easy difficulty level, was one of the most fun. Zack and Wiki had the most difficult puzzling I've encountered this generation. Sin and Punishment had me looking at more game over screens in a 4-hour play session than I've seen in the entirety of Dark Souls. Monster Hunter Tri had more of the most challenging and demanding combat I've enjoyed in an action game. (unlike Dark Souls where a LOT of deaths felt more like the game's fault then my own)
The Wii is very much overlooked when it comes to hardcore games. In general, it's just plain overlooked by everyone. Most people who bought it got the popular first-party titles and ignored the rest. Sorry for the wall of text and I'm sure you didn't mean to say what you did, but hardcore and mature are NOT the same thing.
On that note, it's irrelevant. If Nintendo's Wii U manages to be powerful enough to compete even somewhat with the next-gen consoles, it should be able to handle almost every multi-console title. By the sound of it, it's an easy platform to develop for and Nintendo is listening to developer input on it and changing things accordingly. So I doubt that 3rd party developers will skip Nintendo for their PS4/720/PC titles in the new generation. Thus, the whole "only kiddie games" idea will fly out the window.
This is nothing new, Sony has made a habit of being the last to release their console for the generation at hand. Microsoft seems to be trying to get a jump on Sony, the same way Sega had with Dreamcast, and we all know how well that went over.
Honestly, what system is more powerful than the other doesn't really matter, unless there's a giant gap like with the Wii vs 360/PS3. If two consoles have similar hardware specs, developers will just develop for the weaker and port.
Honestly, what system is more powerful than the other doesn't really matter, unless there's a giant gap like with the Wii vs 360/PS3. If two consoles have similar hardware specs, developers will just develop for the weaker and port.
That would be called a computer...burningdragoon said: