Poll: Spunkgargleweewee

[Lunar Templar]

wee no 'neutral' option, again fan-fucking-tastic.

1) whats with the lack of 'i don't really like or dislike it' options on polls?

2) I don't particularly like or dislike it, it's just kinda there, another stupid thing on the internet people apparently are trying to make into a thing. Is it mature? no, but given MMS are used as babysitters for 12 year olds its about the right maturity level for a good chunk of the people playing that worthless crap

the 'Spectical Fighter' term was and still is much better though

 

[AD-Stu]

"Tedious pile of shite" conveys a level of contempt and derision toward whatever you're describing.

It still doesn't accurately describe what the thing is, unless you're literally describing a tedious pile of shite.

A genre label isn't supposed to convey contempt or derision. It's supposed to classify pieces of media that occupy its section of entertainment.

Sure, but you're still missing the point.

It's not actually meant to be a labelling the genre - at least, not as far as I can see. What it's actually labelling or encapsulating is the person's attitude towards that genre and, by extension, the fans of that genre.

You make a good point with your music examples. When someone comments on "that urgh urgh shit", for example, I know they're almost certainly talking about death metal. More than that, without hearing anything else I know that they don't like the genre, and almost certainly one of the things they don't like about it is the fact that they can't understand the lyrics (protip: their enjoyment probably wouldn't be improved even if they could understand).

As a fan of death metal myself, their use of the term doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not worried, for example, that the metal section in my local record store will be relabelled "urgh urgh shit" next week because that's obviously just not going to happen. Because "urgh urgh shit" isn't intended to be a genre label - rather, it's intended to convey someone's opinion of the genre. Just like Spunkgargleweewee.

 

[Tom_green_day]

I'm going to mention something I've noticed happening alot recently on the internet.
When 'famous' internet people make videos/write stuff etc, in the comment section every adopts their lexis... Or for people who don't study english, they try to talk like them. For example in the comments to an Angry Joe video people were calling things 'badass' way more, and used the same tone he did. In Robbaz's videos, people commonly refer to things that he says like his walrus and manly shit. The same his happening here, ZP used a word and now people are all using it as though it was in the original dictionary or something.
I can take a guess at why people do it, but in truth I have no idea. I think people just want the person who did the video/blog etc to like them or something. It's common enough in spoken english, when someone is talking to someone else who is higher up in power then the lower person tends to subconsciously adopt his tone to make the higher-up person like him more. If that makes sense. It does in my head.

 

[gigastar]

Its a throwaway joke, and is best left as just that.

Just think about what it would make us look like to outsiders if we were to refer to all Modern Military Shooters as... that.

 

[Rawne1980]

I admit it did get a giggle out of me when I heard it on ZP. But only because it made me remember a joke from many years ago.

Does a posh girl spit or swallow?

Neither, she gargles.

(If you don't get it then i'm not explaining it ... ask your parents).

All I see when someone else uses said term is "hi, I want to convey disdain of this genre and/or sound a little bit *edgy* and witty but i'm nowhere near clever enough to come up with my own term so i'm using someone else's .... please like me".

 

[dontlooknow]

It's a silly, childish term, and I won't be using it any time soon. That said, I don't necessarily disagree with it's use, nor do I think less of those who use it, and while I'm not keen on the word itself, there definitely needs to be a work for this subgenre.

 

[Gennadios]

SGWW is a nice sub-type for the FPS genre, lets one easily distinguish between other FPS games and Brown Military Shooters.

Plus I've started qualify other cinematic heavy corridor-based set-piece carnival rides as SGWW, such as Max Payne 3 and the new Hitman.

 

[hazabaza1]

Hasn't even Yahtzee stopped calling them that?
If the guy who made the term stops using it you know the fanbase has fucked up.

 

[88chaz88]

You know what's worse than "spunkgargleweewee"? Entire threads dedicated to complaining about the phrase.

 

[YouKnowTheName]

I think it's a good word that accurately sums up the genre it's meant to. It's not showing disdain, but an immature and borderline offensive term used specifically to describe an immature and offensive genre, (or rather, an immature and offensive game, since everything that falls under that definition is basically a photocopy of COD with little new or relevant added).

Seriously, describe a few game genres to a non-gamer. Shooters, platformers, racers... spunkgargleweewee. Action games where you play a character with a gun, games based around jumping and physical challenges, games based around racing and being fastest... and games based around joining a fictionalised representation of possibly the biggest army in the world and fighting far weaker enemies designed to resemble real people but actually a patchwork of racist stereotypes designed to reflect the xenophobia and fears of a certain corner of society (who still often come off a sympathetic simply due to being far less well equipped than you and need to be characterised almost as cartoon villains to work as antagonists at all) and committing mass murder upon them on a regular basis with the best equipment in the world, usually completely unironically to a rock soundtrack and an undercurrent of "we're awesome" all designed specifically to appeal to people's power fantasies.

So yeah, I think classifying it as a sub-genre with a hugely immature title is entirely appropriate.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

What name do we give Spunkgargleweewee games that doesn't sound clunky and unspecific?

"Modern Military Shooter", since those are the only games people use it to describe. You know the ones; Call of Duty, Battlefield, Medal of Honor, Army of Two, even the likes of Killzone which doesn't get to weasel its way out by virtue of being in spaaaaaaaaace! Sounds a lot more specific and a lot less clunky, to me, but then maybe I'm just being driven crazy by all of the people seriously trying to make this term a thing.

Sounds perfectly reasonable. I like SGWW as a joke term and as a joke term I think it could be broadened to encompass other games from other genres. For example, I would call Final Fantasy XIII, 2 and, 3 the SGWW of JRPGs (then I would watch people spread that little wild-fire on to things like Enchanted Arms etc).

 

[Anathrax]

You want a new term? Here's your new term.

Pew Pew Suck Thumb Behind Cover Your Eyes Are Now IronSights.
"PPSTBCYEANIS"... Sounds reasonable.

"Brown Shooting Gallery."

"Dry Humping Foreigners."

"Fire In The Bore."

"First Person Snore"

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

The point was made, it was entertaining, move along. If only that genre of game would also leave and allow a modicum of creativity and innovation back into a stale and boring industry, along with the term. But if Activision know how to do anything, it's how to flog horses, living and dead. Kind of like Tesco.

 

[Kathinka]

I think it's a good word that accurately sums up the genre it's meant to. It's not showing disdain, but an immature and borderline offensive term used specifically to describe an immature and offensive genre, (or rather, an immature and offensive game, since everything that falls under that definition is basically a photocopy of COD with little new or relevant added).

Seriously, describe a few game genres to a non-gamer. Shooters, platformers, racers... spunkgargleweewee. Action games where you play a character with a gun, games based around jumping and physical challenges, games based around racing and being fastest... and games based around joining a fictionalised representation of possibly the biggest army in the world and fighting far weaker enemies designed to resemble real people but actually a patchwork of racist stereotypes designed to reflect the xenophobia and fears of a certain corner of society (who still often come off a sympathetic simply due to being far less well equipped than you and need to be characterised almost as cartoon villains to work as antagonists at all) and committing mass murder upon them on a regular basis with the best equipment in the world, usually completely unironically to a rock soundtrack and an undercurrent of "we're awesome" all designed specifically to appeal to people's power fantasies.

So yeah, I think classifying it as a sub-genre with a hugely immature title is entirely appropriate.

I didn't know that Russians were "far weaker" enemies. When did that happen?

at some point during the early 90s when russias military got cut down a bit. they did no longer need an army that could plow through europe like a lawnmower on crack, now they just needed one juuuust big enough so attacking russia wasn't worth it.

today, the u.s. has accumulated:

- twice the number of manpower reserves
- four times the strenght of aircraft
- about five times the helicopter strenght
- about 5-2 times the mbt strenght, according to who you ask
- and ten times the strenght in aircraft carriers

so yeah, all those scenarios where russia attacks america are a rather unrealistic jingoist gunwank revenge fantasy.

 

[Kathinka]

I think it's a good word that accurately sums up the genre it's meant to. It's not showing disdain, but an immature and borderline offensive term used specifically to describe an immature and offensive genre, (or rather, an immature and offensive game, since everything that falls under that definition is basically a photocopy of COD with little new or relevant added).

Seriously, describe a few game genres to a non-gamer. Shooters, platformers, racers... spunkgargleweewee. Action games where you play a character with a gun, games based around jumping and physical challenges, games based around racing and being fastest... and games based around joining a fictionalised representation of possibly the biggest army in the world and fighting far weaker enemies designed to resemble real people but actually a patchwork of racist stereotypes designed to reflect the xenophobia and fears of a certain corner of society (who still often come off a sympathetic simply due to being far less well equipped than you and need to be characterised almost as cartoon villains to work as antagonists at all) and committing mass murder upon them on a regular basis with the best equipment in the world, usually completely unironically to a rock soundtrack and an undercurrent of "we're awesome" all designed specifically to appeal to people's power fantasies.

So yeah, I think classifying it as a sub-genre with a hugely immature title is entirely appropriate.

I didn't know that Russians were "far weaker" enemies. When did that happen?

at some point during the early 90s when russias military got cut down a bit. they did no longer need an army that could plow through europe like a lawnmower on crack, now they just needed one juuuust big enough so attacking russia wasn't worth it.

today, the u.s. has accumulated:

- twice the number of manpower reserves
- four times the strenght of aircraft
- about five times the helicopter strenght
- about 5-2 times the mbt strenght, according to who you ask
- and ten times the strenght in aircraft carriers

so yeah, all those scenarios where russia attacks america are a rather unrealistic jingoist gunwank revenge fantasy.

Though it's worth noting that the Russian Mafia is wealthier than us, politically untouchable, (it's bought entire banks. BOUGHT. BANKS.) and has purchased nuclear weapons. So maybe all they need to do is make them the villians instead of the Russian government proper?

iiiii don't think that thing about nuclear weapons is accurate. is there any non-tinfoilhat sources for that?

 

[Subscriptism]

It should definitely be kept because it is perfect for describing those types of games. They are the jersey shore of the gaming world and need to identified as such.

 

[Kyrian007]

I wouldn't advocate for its usage (don't care enough,) but my only problem with the word... it is cumbersome to type. I don't use it in conversation, but that's just because I only know a few people who might get the reference. I suspect it won't catch on anyway. It won't last, but then again neither will the genre. Tastes change and develop, games and styles come and go. Whether you call them MMS's or SGWW or Brownshooter or just shooter... they evolved from the Nazi blasting squad shooter that is considered kind of retro these days. A decade from now a CoD clone will be considered "a quaint throwback" and die hard fans of the MMS will come up with their own derisive name for whatever is popular and AAA at the moment and complain about how games were better back in the 00's.

 

[At_The_Gates]

Using the term is simply an expression of spite. Yes, it is crude. Yes, it is childish, but is anyone actually surprised people are angry that a genre has changed in a way that effectively killed off the quake style fps? If both styles of shooters where still being made I doubt there would be much complaint, but simply put your buying one of these newer style fps games causes publishers to pass on making new shooters in the style I and many others loved.

For better or worse many fps fans are in two camps that really just don't like each other. The one who's style of game they like is no longer made will simply keep taking pot shots. If you don't like this its probably best to ignore it taking pot shots back is a hell of a lot more likely to start a flame war then change anyone's behavior to be less hostile.