Poll: Square Enix, and what i think of them

[rekabdarb]

Considering the last 4 real games made by them X-2 (sucked) 11 (wtf mate) 12 (sucked) and the up and coming 13, which seems to be overhyped and they sold out to 360, what are your opinions on Square Enix. (and yes despite what people say ten was made by Squaresoft)

But besides those "original games" who here has seen the infinite remade old FF games (1-5 and soon to be 6, plus Tactics and Crisis Core)("FF:CC" isn't a remake but its a prelude to the already fine FF:7) Pretty much, Square Enix is riding the coat tails of Square and Squaresoft. That's only my opinion though

Edit: they've even made a cheap FF:T knock off which is called tactics advanced >.> and have even remade that =O

and on a side note, i personally believe the FF7 series has been butcher beyond recognition, and shouldn't be "remade" anymore. PLEASE SQUARE STOP REDOING FINAL FANTASY 7 BADLY, if your gonna remake it, please just update graphics possibly add voice overs and change nothing else.

Please post your comments and thoughts por favor

 

[HeyZeus_Ezekiel_Jesus]

The keep making the same fucking games. How about creating something that doesn't take place in a fantasy world with guys that look like girls?

 

[rekabdarb]

heh yeah

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

Seriously, was I the only one who liked X-2? Jeez.

Anyway. Final Fantasy is a wildly popular series-- you can hardly fault SE for "riding the coat tails of Square and [Enix]." It's not as if Square isn't making new titles. The Last Remnant, Soul Eater, Infinite Undiscovery...

Sure, they're a very prolific company, but "remake" isn't the only trick they know.

 

[HeyZeus_Ezekiel_Jesus]

Sure, they're a very prolific company, but "remake" isn't the only trick they know.

Sure, "remake" may not be the only trick they know but it's the only one they want to use.

 

[rekabdarb]

Seriously, was I the only one who liked X-2? Jeez.

Anyway. Final Fantasy is a wildly popular series-- you can hardly fault SE for "riding the coat tails of Square and [Enix]." It's not as if Square isn't making new titles. The Last Remnant, Soul Eater, Infinite Undiscovery...

Sure, they're a very prolific company, but "remake" isn't the only trick they know.

you mean Square and [Soft] not enix
and yeah ok, they've made some "original" titles but the ones i've found from them are either part of a series (example Dragon Quest 8 or whatever) or a FF knock off

 

[-Seraph-]

Eh, I just simply refer to them as Square every time. I have been playing their games since FF1 and I quite enjoy most of the series. 1-7 were sheer brilliance, 8 I did not like but it is understandable why some may have enjoyed it, 9 was a good way to go back to their roots, 10 was great as well, I don't pay attention to 11, and 12 I have yet to play and reserve my judgment until I play it. The latest ones i have played that have been any good though have been crisis core and War of the lions, Tactics advance would fall under the crap for me.

Every series has their up's and downs, I do agree with the whole FF7 cash cow though. Crisis Core is the ONLY acceptable FF7 related game as it has the most relevance compared to DoC and AC. AC was just fun to watch but was an unnecessary addition, FF7's ending was effective as it was. DoC I will admit had a good story, but perhaps a shooting game is not a good way to execute such a story. Just for the love of god remake FF7, that's all they need to do, that alone would make more money than the sales of these spin offs put together.

I do not mind Square all too much, I expect to see epic masterpieces and utter crap from them, it's how all companies are. I Do respect Square in the endeavors to constantly reinvent themselves though, it's one thing I admire about them. They are able to keep their staples and reinvent their games in the process and I hold great respect for any company that does this. I will continue to support them and hope they try more new and innovative things (like Dissidia) while holding true to their roots, I just think that after 20 years they have gotten lazy just a tiny bit. After 20 years it can be hard to pull off something that hasnt been done before.

Heres hoping they continue to write great stories, pull off wondrous musical scores, create beautiful looking games, and strive to creating new franchises, genres and such.

 

[Axle_Gear]

From what I recall of the history of Final Fantasy, back in the old NES days, Square believed the first FF was going to be their last game before they went bankrupt and thusly out of business. But when the game turned out to be a big hit they cranked out more of the same since they never planned on getting that far.

Don't quote me on that, though. That's just what I've heard.

 

[rekabdarb]

Every series has their up's and downs, I do agree with the whole FF7 cash cow though. Crisis Core is the ONLY acceptable FF7 related game as it has the most relevance compared to DoC and AC. AC was just fun to watch but was an unnecessary addition, FF7's ending was effective as it was. DoC I will admit had a good story, but perhaps a shooting game is not a good way to execute such a story. Just for the love of god remake FF7, that's all they need to do, that alone would make more money than the sales of these spin offs put together.

I do not mind Square all too much, I expect to see epic masterpieces and utter crap from them, it's how all companies are. I Do respect Square in the endeavors to constantly reinvent themselves though, it's one thing I admire about them. They are able to keep their staples and reinvent their games in the process and I hold great respect for any company that does this. I will continue to support them and hope they try more new and innovative things (like Dissidia) while holding true to their roots, I just think that after 20 years they have gotten lazy just a tiny bit. After 20 years it can be hard to pull off something that hasnt been done before.

Heres hoping they continue to write great stories, pull off wondrous musical scores, create beautiful looking games, and strive to creating new franchises, genres and such.

ok... not gonna lie, i forgot about Dirge, and i did like it, but that was because i was going through my resident evil 4 thing (god i still love that game.) but i obviously still support them because i still buy their damn games... because i prefer to have them on a handheld system (but not tactics advance fuck that)

And sure, i guess Enix is to be awarded to continuing the series cow (Ninento, george lucas, and the lotr guy already have them though)

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

Seriously, was I the only one who liked X-2? Jeez.

Anyway. Final Fantasy is a wildly popular series-- you can hardly fault SE for "riding the coat tails of Square and [Enix]." It's not as if Square isn't making new titles. The Last Remnant, Soul Eater, Infinite Undiscovery...

Sure, they're a very prolific company, but "remake" isn't the only trick they know.

you mean Square and [Soft] not enix
and yeah ok, they've made some "original" titles but the ones i've found from them are either part of a series (example Dragon Quest 8 or whatever) or a FF knock off

Squaresoft was a brand name used by Square Co. for their games. Enix is the company Square Co. merged with.

Clearly you haven't looked very hard.

Here's an incomplete list of non-FF/DQ SquareEnix developed games:

-All Star Pro-Wrestling III
-Sword of Mana
-Front Mission (series)
-Star Ocean (series)
-Musashi: Samurai Legend
-SaGa (series)
-The World Ends with You

SE also published Drakengard, Odin Sphere, the "Mana" series, Fullmetal Alchemist games, Radiata Stories, Grandia, Valkyrie Profile, and the Japanese EverQuest II.

 

[Limos]

I was glad they released FF tactics for the PSP, I lost the disc way back when and have missed the game. The different dialogue and improved cutscenes were way cool too.

For FF7 I agree, they need to remake it but only update the graphics and add voiceover. If they keep all the stats, monsters, levels and bosses the same it will be perfect. Really the graphics were the only negative about that game.

 

[TheWickerPopstar]

I've never understood the backlash against 12. Tons of different ways to play the game, more intimate storyline, beautiful graphics and overall aesthetic...

Sure the summons served no real purpose, but other than that, I was impressed and thrilled with the game.

 

[Willwillwritehiswill]

I'm almost ashamed to say i'm enjoying crisis core.
But square had it right in the turn based era really. all this gambit crap from FFXII and to an extent the DMW from crisis core is killing what i liked about square games to begin with. and piles of poopoo like infinite undiscovery aren't helping.

 

[Syntax Error]

Odin Sphere[/B], the "Mana" series, Fullmetal Alchemist games, Radiata Stories, Grandia, Valkyrie Profile, and the Japanese EverQuest II.

I thought Atlus were the guys responsible for that?

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

Odin Sphere[/B], the "Mana" series, Fullmetal Alchemist games, Radiata Stories, Grandia, Valkyrie Profile, and the Japanese EverQuest II.

I thought Atlus were the guys responsible for that?

Square Enix published the European version. You're right, though-- Atlus designed the game.

 

[DannyDamage]

They should re-release FF7 one final time as the "Final Fantasy 7 - Despite Popular Believe, NOT The Best Of The Series, We're Over It Now After 10 years Of Overhyping Bullshit.........edition"

And thats coming from somewhat of a Final Fantasy whore!

Advent Children is phenomenal, but the rest is just milking it till it's nipples are sore.

Personally with the hyping of 13, I'm not buying a ps3 just for it, i'm not going nuts because the gfx are better than 12. I'd be happy with 13 being like 9 or 10. There was nothing wrong with either of those IMO, 9 had that anime look and 10 had the character depth and voice talent.

I think Enix have just jumped on the band-wagon of over proud video game parents that will plug their products to the end of the world.

I do like the fact that I can play some of the older ff games on my DS though and I don't have to even look at a playstation.

 

[ThePlasmatizer]

Considering the last 4 real games made by them X-2 (sucked) 11 (wtf mate) 12 (sucked) and the up and coming 13, which seems to be overhyped and they sold out to 360, what are your opinions on Square Enix. (and yes despite what people say ten was made by Squaresoft)

But besides those "original games" who here has seen the infinite remade old FF games (1-5 and soon to be 6, plus Tactics and Crisis Core)("FF:CC" isn't a remake but its a prelude to the already fine FF:7) Pretty much, Square Enix is riding the coat tails of Square and Squaresoft. That's only my opinion though

Edit: they've even made a cheap FF:T knock off which is called tactics advanced >.> and have even remade that =O

and on a side note, i personally believe the FF7 series has been butcher beyond recognition, and shouldn't be "remade" anymore. PLEASE SQUARE STOP REDOING FINAL FANTASY 7 BADLY, if your gonna remake it, please just update graphics possibly add voice overs and change nothing else.

Please post your comments and thoughts por favor

Cheap knock off?
you definitely haven't played it,
because imo the Tactics Advance series are the better games made by Square Enix.

 

[DannyDamage]

I've never understood the backlash against 12. Tons of different ways to play the game, more intimate storyline, beautiful graphics and overall aesthetic...

Sure the summons served no real purpose, but other than that, I was impressed and thrilled with the game.

Yeah, the summons sucked but can you HONESTLY say that there was as much story in 12 than any of the others?

It lacked greatly in the character depth department. I felt the only 2 characters that stood out were Balthier and Fran. The rest were pretty generic, TBH; Fran was a typical vierra so I'll say there are 1.5 deep characters in 12.

Vaan was just a prop. How often do they have their main character do so little?

I think a lot of the disdain for 12 are gamers who saw that the FF series has dropped the turn based system and it LOOKED more like the 3d action adventures that most are used to playing and people were ashamed at playing AND ENJOYING the game.

 

[The Wooster]

I've never understood the backlash against 12. Tons of different ways to play the game, more intimate storyline, beautiful graphics and overall aesthetic...

Sure the summons served no real purpose, but other than that, I was impressed and thrilled with the game.

Vaan was just a prop. How often do they have their main character do so little?

That might me where you went wrong. Vaan wasn't supposed to be the 'main' character. The game focused on them as a group.

 

[mark_n_b]

Seriously, was I the only one who liked X-2? Jeez.

I enjoyed X-2 quite a bit myself, finding the costumes and the free roaming nature of the FF X world was great fun. A lot of people did not like it so much because it was kind of a fan service game and simultaneously empowered and de-powered the core characters of the FF X world. Which is fair, but I argue for it every time.

A quick review of their titles includes Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean, Space Invaders, etc. So I challenge your assessment. This is a case of FF being a very popular and successful IP that brands the company, which explains why they are constantly re-visiting the universe. No one questions why Lucas Arts does all those Star Wars games.

It seems to me that this is likely not a company that makes games you enjoy playing. Most studios have a kind of genre focus that makes them identifiable, so it's fine not to like a studio, but millions upon millions do, and SE is larger than just FF, even if they were not, you can see the money and work and quality that goes into these titles and that is a guarantee of success when it comes to business.

As for Square making games with guys that don't look like girls. If you don't like it buy an FPS or two. The effeminate male is considered a very handsome look in most East Asian cultures and this is not a recent phenomenon, this is a distinct cultural variation from the western world, so their characters are going to look that way (it's not just Square)