Poll: Stalker Clear Sky more Fallout then Fallout 3?

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Joechenlink

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I began playing Stalker Clear Sky today after hearing all the jazz about how good it was. I am personally blown away about how atmospheric the game is, and I'm really drawn in.

I did not play the first one, so coming into this prequel I had no idea what to expect. But then it hit me, this game reminded me more of Fallout then Fallout 3 did. Did anyone else ever think this?
 

Khazoth

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The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
 

Joechenlink

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Thanks mate. Seems like one of the better forum communities around, though I could always be wrong.
 

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Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
/\ This man speaks the truth, CHHIILLLDREEN!
/lame jokes

Oh, and welcome to the Escapist, my good man!

Edit: Yeah, this is a pretty good community. Or, 99% of it is an awesome community. The other 1%.... Meh.
 

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Welcome to the Escapist. I never played Stalker but it doesn't look like much of a Fallout game. I've played the original Fallout and Fallout 3 is a pretty good jump to this generation of consoles.
 

Joechenlink

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Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
Sorry, but nostalgia couldn't exist for me, lol. I played the original Fallout games about a month before Fallout 3 came out.

And Fallout 3 felt very synthetic to me. Maybe it had something to do with everyone being from the Uncanny Vally, but I never felt lost in the world. I was always aware I was sitting on my bed, playing Oblivion with guns.
 

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Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
This, and welcome to The Escapist.
 

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I played both 2d Fallouts last year with the resolution mod. They're still better than most non-Bioware RPGs. General brown-ness not-with-standing.

Post patch Stalkers are dripping with atmosphere though, true.
 

Joechenlink

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MrCrun said:
I played both 2d Fallouts last year with the resolution mod. They're still better than most non-Bioware RPGs. General brown-ness not-with-standing.
That's how I feel mate. Fallout 2, and Morrowind are my two favorite RPG's of all time. I've been meaning to get KOTOR sooner or later, but my procrastination always get's the best of me.
 

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Joechenlink said:
Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
Sorry, but nostalgia couldn't exist for me, lol. I played the original Fallout games about a month before Fallout 3 came out.

And Fallout 3 felt very synthetic to me. Maybe it had something to do with everyone being from the Uncanny Valley, but I never felt lost in the world. I was always aware I was sitting on my bed, playing Oblivion with guns.

It's clear that you either..

A: Believe and do everything Yahtzee Croshaw says (Hinted at by the fact you basicly copied that entire post from his review.)

B: Have not played the game much, if at all.


Most of this shit is just personal opinions but Fallout 3 is not Oblivion with guns. Yes, Besthesda Studios has this horrible habit of carrying over similar or exact designs from other games. But at the end of the day.. Elder Scrolls Oblivion is a boring game that I could not stay awake to complete. Whereas Fallout 3 was one of the first FPS' I ever really fell in love with.
 

Joechenlink

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Khazoth said:
Joechenlink said:
Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
Sorry, but nostalgia couldn't exist for me, lol. I played the original Fallout games about a month before Fallout 3 came out.

And Fallout 3 felt very synthetic to me. Maybe it had something to do with everyone being from the Uncanny Valley, but I never felt lost in the world. I was always aware I was sitting on my bed, playing Oblivion with guns.


It's clear that you either..

A: Believe and do everything Yahtzee Croshaw says (Hinted at by the fact you basicly copied that entire post from his review.)

B: Have not played the game much, if at all.


Most of this shit is just personal opinions but Fallout 3 is not Oblivion with guns. Yes, Besthesda Studios has this horrible habit of carrying over similar or exact designs from other games. But at the end of the day.. Elder Scrolls Oblivion is a boring game that I could not stay awake to complete. Whereas Fallout 3 was one of the first FPS' I ever really fell in love with.
No, I do not believe everything Yahtzee says, as I loved Fallout 3 when it first came out, and disagreed with his review of it. I beat the game somewhere around 3 times, which may have lead to my dissatisfaction of the game currently. 50 hours of the same old thing can do that to a person.

And what I'm saying is not fact, it's just my personal opinion. Just like how you are saying that the first two Fallout games were rubbish, and that the new one is awesome. I feel it's mostly the other way around, but different people have different tastes.
 

Chicago Ted

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Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
I agree, I downloaded Fallout 2 hearing many people rave about how much better it was then Fallout 3, and how shallow Fallout 3 is and instead found a game that I was truely bored by. The combat sucked the worst though. I hear people saying VATS was bad, but there really is no combat at all to Fallout 2. You get your turn and no matter what it says about having a 50% hit ratio, you will miss all four strikes in a row. I did not like it at all.
 

Joechenlink

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Chicago Ted said:
Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
I agree, I downloaded Fallout 2 hearing many people rave about how much better it was then Fallout 3, and how shallow Fallout 3 is and instead found a game that I was truely bored by. The combat sucked the worst though. I hear people saying VATS was bad, but there really is no combat at all to Fallout 2. You get your turn and no matter what it says about having a 50% hit ratio, you will miss all four strikes in a row. I did not like it at all.
I felt like Fallout 2 was a game that was hard to get into. For some reason I stuck with it though, and found myself truly immersed. I've got something like 70 hours on my first file, and I still haven't beaten it.

Although that could just be saying I suck at it.
 

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Khazoth said:
The sad truth is that...


The original two fallout games were horrible, horrible games. They were about as stimulating as watching paint dry. Fallout 3 was still an amazingly immersive game that can suck you in to its world.


Nostalgia is not fact.


It would be like me saying that the best FPS ever was the original Unreal.
I played fallout and fallout 2 less than a year before fallout 3 and I thought they were great. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. And I do play a lot of really old school stuff.
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Well i played STALKER before fallout 3 (because it was released first), i honestly thought that fallout 3 was what STALKER tried to be.
Nope.

Stalker isn't a post-apocalyptic game. It's a game about scavenging in a wasteland with overtones of a warzone. There is civilization around you -- that's who's buying your stuff and where all those fancy guns come from -- but you don't get to be a part of it. I think it does a much better job of playing up the fragility of your existence than the Fallout games do. In Fallout 3, I certainly never felt like I was actually in danger of running out of stuff. Fallout never really has truly frantic moments, either: everything's kind of running on a smooth beat, whereas Stalker bounces between eerie slowness and frantic scrambling. Survival is emphasized much more in Stalker; you just plain feel like you're closer to death all the time.

Metaphorically, the world of Stalker represents a reaction to life in the post-Soviet world: everyone's scrabbling about to get something out of the carcass of a dead thing that was never good, but at least used to be alive. It's a young man's post-Soviet world, to be specific, the dead world of people who never knew anything else. It's all about pointlessness and isolation; the utter absence of women and family in the game is a big part of that iconography. In Shadow of Chernobyl, your protagonist is a dire guy who's lost his past and never really finds it -- the details of it never really matter, you know it's not a happy one. In both games, your heroes' few hard-fought friends are lost to them. They're both on the edge of death. Their very names define them as world-weary, emotionless killers. Nothing short of a total metamorphosis can redeem them.

Fallout as a series is an American reaction to a post-Cold-War world: a big Generation-X "Fuck you!" to our now-useless cold-warriors. The relics in the games paint the old world as stupid, culturally-stunted, and hysterical, endlessly vacillating between the mindsets of McCarthy, Reagan, and Leave It To Beaver. The Fallout world can be lonely, too, but it's much more positive about the whole thing. Struggle as they do in the wasteland, people survive, and on their own terms. Your protagonist is someone who goes from a sheltered, regimented world into this wild frontier and thrives in it. As shitty as the world is, your young little renegade can find friends everywhere and has the power to make it her own.

They're both behind the times, in a way, channeling attitudes that were much stronger a decade and a half ago. (That's one of the reasons I don't think the Fallout franchise needs any more games.) But those attitudes are as different as east and west.

Stalker is lonely. Fallout is social.
Stalker is dour. Fallout is sarcastic.
Stalker is frantic, bipolar. Fallout is more measured, restful.

-- Alex
 

Joechenlink

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Alex_P said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Well i played STALKER before fallout 3 (because it was released first), i honestly thought that fallout 3 was what STALKER tried to be.
Nope.

Stalker isn't a post-apocalyptic game. It's a game about scavenging in a wasteland with overtones of a warzone. There is civilization around you -- that's who's buying your stuff and where all those fancy guns come from -- but you don't get to be a part of it. I think it does a much better job of playing up the fragility of your existence than the Fallout games do. In Fallout 3, I certainly never felt like I was actually in danger of running out of stuff. Fallout never really has truly frantic moments, either: everything's kind of running on a smooth beat, whereas Stalker bounces between eerie slowness and frantic scrambling. Survival is emphasized much more in Stalker; you just plain feel like you're closer to death all the time.

Metaphorically, the world of Stalker represents a reaction to life in the post-Soviet world: everyone's scrabbling about to get something out of the carcass of a dead thing that was never good, but at least used to be alive. It's a young man's post-Soviet world, to be specific, the dead world of people who never knew anything else. It's all about pointlessness and isolation; the utter absence of women and family in the game is a big part of that iconography. In Shadow of Chernobyl, your protagonist is a dire guy who's lost his past and never really finds it -- the details of it never really matter, you know it's not a happy one. In both games, your heroes' few hard-fought friends are lost to them. They're both on the edge of death. Their very names define them as world-weary, emotionless killers. Nothing short of a total metamorphosis can redeem them.

Fallout as a series is an American reaction to a post-Cold-War world: a big Generation-X "Fuck you!" to our now-useless cold-warriors. The relics in the games paint the old world as stupid, culturally-stunted, and hysterical, endlessly vacillating between the mindsets of McCarthy, Reagan, and Leave It To Beaver. The Fallout world can be lonely, too, but it's much more positive about the whole thing. Struggle as they do in the wasteland, people survive, and on their own terms. Your protagonist is someone who goes from a sheltered, regimented world into this wild frontier and thrives in it. As shitty as the world is, your young little renegade can find friends everywhere and has the power to make it her own.

They're both behind the times, in a way, channeling attitudes that were much stronger a decade and a half ago. (That's one of the reasons I don't think the Fallout franchise needs any more games.) But those attitudes are as different as east and west.

Stalker is lonely. Fallout is social.
Stalker is dour. Fallout is sarcastic.
Stalker is frantic, bipolar. Fallout is more measured, restful.

-- Alex
There we go. A post that's not trying to say anybody is stupid, and validates it's point that it's trying to make. Not just, "Old Fallout games are dumb because they're not action rpg's."

Thank you Alex.