Poll: Star Ocean5 censored in the west, misses the point still

[Zhukov]

In today's environment though, they'd probably tie it to an achievement. Can only imagine what the reaction to that particular decision would be.

Lollipop Chainsaw did exactly that. You get an achievement for manipulating the camera to look up the main characters skirt.

A few reviewers mentioned it, but beyond that the reaction was a resounding shrug.

 

[CrystalShadow]

They already had "Nappy Time with Edgy" in Last Hope, panty size is small potatoes.

<_< I 100%ed that game, English Voice Acting and all. Hopefully this isn't a sign that they're going to be dialing back the cringe; I didn't play the game for the deep plot, I played it to feel incredibly uncomfortable.

<spoiler=feel the cringe><youtube=8ACoTMFBGhU>

Well, cringe inducing, for sure. Wow.

And uhm. Yeah, changing the underwear doesn't really solve anything, but unless there are upskirt shots in the cutscenes it's not like you can fix this anyway.

If there's manual camera control, there's the possibility of perving on people.
I mean, that's true in real life as well, you can technically go up to a girl and look up her skirt, but the difference is she can probably see you doing that, and won't take kindly to it.

Since the camera in a game is non-corporeal, you can do it without consequence. But I'd like to see you solve this without causing bigger, more important problems...

You could have an NPC rant at the player for being a perv if the player manipulated the camera in certain ways.... In today's environment though, they'd probably tie it to an achievement. Can only imagine what the reaction to that particular decision would be.

OT - meh. From the video above, the game will probably have bigger problems than what underwear is being worn by NPCs.

Mmh. Also, since some people get off on the... 'abuse', I'm not exactly sure how much it would help anyway.
I mean, how seriously would you even take a rant from an NPC?
And yeah...
You'd almost certainly get people doing it just to see it.

I mean, I recall one of the Legend of Zelda games lets you steal stuff from a shop, but then punishes you rather severely for having done it.
Odds are, knowing that it's possible leads some people to do it in spite of the consequences though, even if just down to curiosity.

I know I have the problem of curiosity. XD
Find it hard to resist just doing anything in a game just to see what happens...

Though an achievement would of course make it worse in general.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Are all Japanese devs such huge pussies, or just Square Enix and Koei Tecmo?

I know I have the problem of curiosity. XD
Find it hard to resist just doing anything in a game just to see what happens...

Though an achievement would of course make it worse in general.

There's an achievement in Lollipop Chainsaw for peeking up the characters skirt.

 

[Einspanner]

Censored? I thought you meant something that mattered, not the underwear. Sometimes I wonder about the people who play the games I love...

 

[Lufia Erim]

Good. Let's keep censoring everything until everone wears a turtleneck and a winter coat.

Horray for equality!

/sarcasme.

I'm starting to hate the gaming community.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

They already had "Nappy Time with Edgy" in Last Hope, panty size is small potatoes.

<_< I 100%ed that game, English Voice Acting and all. Hopefully this isn't a sign that they're going to be dialing back the cringe; I didn't play the game for the deep plot, I played it to feel incredibly uncomfortable.

<spoiler=feel the cringe><youtube=8ACoTMFBGhU>

Well, cringe inducing, for sure. Wow.

And uhm. Yeah, changing the underwear doesn't really solve anything, but unless there are upskirt shots in the cutscenes it's not like you can fix this anyway.

If there's manual camera control, there's the possibility of perving on people.
I mean, that's true in real life as well, you can technically go up to a girl and look up her skirt, but the difference is she can probably see you doing that, and won't take kindly to it.

Since the camera in a game is non-corporeal, you can do it without consequence. But I'd like to see you solve this without causing bigger, more important problems...

Actually, some games like lolipop chainsaw and this ps4 jrpg I forget the name of,star quintette something,fhave begun making the camera corporeal if you maneuver it in a certain pervy way. The chars react and call you out on it and chainsw even has a trophy for it.

 

[RaikuFA]

From what I've heard, she's very underage. That's where this stuff is ok.

 

[Erttheking]

You know, you can say the word "prude" as much as you want, it doesn't automatically make your argument right.

And I have to file this under things people would never have noticed if the internet wasn't hypersensitive about this thing right now.

*Sigh* I remember when censorship was something more serious than "Dev made extremely minor change"

 

[2xDouble]

I have a better question. If nobody told you about this, would you have cared? Does anyone really play games, thinking "I bet the designers intended this character to look sexier or wear smaller/tighter clothes, but had to change it"?

The answer, of course, a resounding "yes". And those are the people you are emulating. Think about that.

 

[Erttheking]

Japanese fans are apparently upset with us in the western market about it. I'm sorry Japanese gamers, I think it's stupid too.

This the same Japan that took out the nuke and renamed the Fatman in Fallout 3? Imports to Japan get changed just as much as exports to the west, they're just more around violence than sex. Let's not pretend one country is superior to the other.

 

[WindKnight]

Japanese fans are apparently upset with us in the western market about it. I'm sorry Japanese gamers, I think it's stupid too.

This the same Japan that took out the nuke and renamed the Fatman in Fallout 3? Imports to Japan get changed just as much as exports to the west, they're just more around violence than sex. Let's not pretend one country is superior to the other.

And also the same Japan where fans had screaming tantrums over their favorite waifu turning out to have had a previous boyfriend, calling her 'used goods' and destroying their manga collections in protest

 

[ManutheBloodedge]

Well, the char is apparently 18, so there's that. People simply won't bother lookin into it due to her design being as it is.


The point I made was that enlarging them doesn't really fix the issue the prudes have so in that sense they miss the point.

You see, how can you expect anyone to actually take you seriously when you're throwing around terms like "prude?" From the very beginning you've shut down any potential for an intelligent and mature discussion. Is this really a "severe change?" I just can't bring myself to care about the size of a character's panties.

You're right about them missing the point, though. Square has a weird habit of doing this. In the end no one's happy.

Did I ever claim it to be severe though. All I claimed it to be is silly and amusing. I think you're mistaking this topic for an outrage topic when it is a humor topic instead lol.

Oh and you can have a serious discussion. I think anyone offended by panties on a fictional char being called prudeish is fair, personally.

Spiel, Satz und Sieg.

Apart from that, while I agree this topic is funny and the change is ultimately useless, this is NOT Censorship. This is a localisation issue. And while it is perfectly valid to critizise shoddy localisations, the use of the term censorship opens up a completely different can of worms.

You know, you can say the word "prude" as much as you want, it doesn't automatically make your argument right.

And I have to file this under things people would never have noticed if the internet wasn't hypersensitive about this thing right now.

*Sigh* I remember when censorship was something more serious than "Dev made extremely minor change"

I know we spoke about the topic on a different thread, but that is an example for the climate change in the game industry I brought up in relation to negative effects of gaming controversies, especially sexism. Sure, it was a minor one, and no damage was done, but the fact that a japanese developer outright states that he doesn't want to publish his work unchanged in the west due to fear of backlash is noticable. One the one hand it hurts artistic integrity, one the other hand the fear persists that this climate is only going to become more extreme, and maybe future games will suffer big and important changes.

 

[EyeReaper]

I'm sorry, but no. This is hardly censorship. It's more of cultural adaptation. There is nothing wrong with a translation changing things here and there to appeal more to the area of import, as long as nothing is removed in the process.

Hell, I'm sure no one would have even noticed (or cared) if Square didn't specifically point it out. Methinks someone is trying to manipulate the market.

I wonder if the music industry has to deal with this kind of "outrage" every time a song needs to be edited censored for radio.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

And this is why gamers, if anything, are being taken LESS seriously as time goes on. Pick your battles, otherwise you're going to look like a fool. Furthermore, just screaming "PRUDE!" does not make a valid argument. This is ridiculous.

 

[JimB]

I'm sorry, but no. This is hardly censorship. It's more of cultural adaptation.

You know, according to most of the definitions of 'censorship' I hear in discussions like these, translating text from Japanese to English is a form of censorship. This discovery delights me.

 

[Something Amyss]

I mean, how seriously would you even take a rant from an NPC?

People don't like being called out on their actions in video games. It makes them feel bad.

I have a better question. If nobody told you about this, would you have cared? Does anyone really play games, thinking "I bet the designers intended this character to look sexier or wear smaller/tighter clothes, but had to change it"?

More appropriately, has anyone really looked at a screen and said "those panties should be precisely 12% smaller!"

And also the same Japan where fans had screaming tantrums over their favorite waifu turning out to have had a previous boyfriend, calling her 'used goods' and destroying their manga collections in protest

What was this? I never heard of it.

But it wouldn't surprise me. It's not so much that the West has sexual hangups (culturally) and Japan does not. It's that the "West" has sexual hangups and Japan has sexual hangups, and sometimes they overlap but not always. Though with this one, there's certainly some overlap.

 

[ManutheBloodedge]

People don't like being called out on their actions in video games. It makes them feel bad.

Ah yes, that is precisely why noone thought Spec Ops: The Line was any good.

 

[Something Amyss]

I'm sorry, but no. This is hardly censorship. It's more of cultural adaptation.

You know, according to most of the definitions of 'censorship' I hear in discussions like these, translating text from Japanese to English is a form of censorship. This discovery delights me.

In fairness, it's kind of absurd that we pander so hard to an English-speaking audience. I mean, think about it. It's not even a small change. All or almost all of the dialogue is being edited simply to with into a Western paradigm.

Seriously, though, you're right. "Censorship" has been diced so fine that any changes are now censorship.
Localissation is mocked, even though this is localisation.

 

[Something Amyss]

People don't like being called out on their actions in video games. It makes them feel bad.

Ah yes, that is precisely why noone thought Spec Ops: The Line was any good.

Strange, that was exactly one of my examples. Given the backlash people had against being called bad guys for doing what the game told them, especially the civilians incident, it sets this up exactly. People were upset that Spec Ops told them they were bad for doing what they were told.

Interestingly enough, the people who praised it also seem to have picked up on the discomfort, or these scenes wouldn't have had any emotional resonance. It relies entirely on us, the player, having a dislike of being treated like the villain even when we act like one.