Poll: Star Trek: Yay or Nay?

[Laughing Man]

The issue with the reboot movies is that they are being aimed at the mass, and for most part, non Trek fans. The problem though is the constant fan service that the movies are doing, the little winks here the little nudges there, again for the most part that isn't a real issue. The fans of Trek will acknowledge them and they will just fly over the heads of the non fans.

The problem with 'In To Darkness' is that they didn't just nudge or wink at something they used a great big fucking plot point from one of the old movies and TV series. The thing is it just doesn't work. The non fans won't get anything from being told who John Harrison is, in fact he could have just stayed as John Harrison and the plot would have unfolded exactly as it did and the fans of Trek will just shake their heads, that's exactly what I did when they revealed who he was, not just because I was disappointed at the retelling of story that didn't need retold but at the fact that purely within the context of the reboot KHan means nothing. You need to have seen the original series and movie just to get any idea of how significant this person is meant to be. The tragic thing is the producers knew this, hence the scene were old Spock is telling new Spock who he is.

I am also a tad annoyed with the stupidity of the stuff that goes on within the reboot.

- We have a starship, we want to go to that planet but don't want the locals to see us so instead of parking in orbit and using smaller easier to hide shuttles we will park the starship in one of the planets oceans???

- Spock banging on about the prime directive how they can't see the Enterprise because it will breach the prime directive while performing actions that break the god damn prime directive.

- Transwarp beaming, it was a crap get out of jail free plot point in the original seeing it pop up in this second movie was, well what's the point of a god damn Starship if you can just beam there?

- What the hell is with the sound effects with the Enterprise, the ship sounds like a high speed elevator. It wasn't to bad in the first movie but it gets annoying in the second one.

- Talking of which what is with the wobbling back and forth the ships seem to do while in warp?

 

[fix-the-spade]

SPOILERS

I thought it was really, really dull.

The problem was that they clearly made the film with both eyes on the franchise, so status quo is God and it neutered the whole movie.

One minute into the film it's obvious that the named crew are under contractual invulnerability, so there's no suspense. When Kirk's visor cracks there's never any feeling that he might go careening off into the moon's gravity well, to be found a frozen husk in two week's time. Even his death was perfunctory.

There's no potential for actual changes of any weight taking place, Kirk can't lose, Spock won't kill innocents, Khan will find no redemption, nothing will happen to interfere with the sequel.

Khan was the biggest waste of the film though, the original Khan was more than a boggle eyed fascist. He was genuinely trying to build a better world, but being a weapon of war knew no other way than conquest, on finding that the better world happened without him he takes a shot at redemption instead. There's never any question that new Khan would even consider being good, or have any plan beyond the Evulz, they couldn't even kill him off!

It's boring!

 

[thewaever]

So, this is this year's ASM for Bob, then? Another oppurtunity for him to decide on the quality of a film before actually seeing it?

OT: I liked it a lot. Didn't love it; it certainly had a fair few flaws but Cumberbatch was fantastic as Khan.

lol! That's hilarious. ASM is the other Movie Bob review that I just don't get. It seriously wasn't that bad!

 

[thewaever]

The Wrath of Khan had very clear themes from start to finish, the movie was about Kirk getting old, about life and death, an ically modified human, SO COOL...Even for the popcorn eating masses this is just way too dumb of a movie.

I have to disagree on the theme of the movie. They used the Khan character, but they didn't need to re-use the theme of The Wrath of Khan. Instead, the movie was pretty clearly a critique of the US's response to 9/11. I think you suffered the same problem Movie Bob did when he watched this movie. He was expecting one thing & was served something different. That can be a surprise & throw off the "flavor" of the rest of the meal.

For example, to answer your question of why Khan crashed the ship into San Francisco: that's where the academy is. You answered your own question. Khan is trying to destroy the Federation, so he naturally strikes as close to its heart as possible. You were expecting something different, though, & so you can't really see that the answer was already given. I don't see this particular point as a problem.

However, I agree with you on the strange lack of planetary defenses. I mean, even in today's real world we have satellites & the capability of deflecting meteors & things. At the very least, there should've been something set up to deflect a massive body falling into the atmosphere.

 

[uchytjes]

It was strange to me how the ships, despite being totally disabled 237,000 kilometers away from Earth fell into Earth so quickly, or even at all. I mean, shouldn't they be in orbit for that to happen?

I am REALLY glad I'm not the only one to notice that one. First of all, they seemed to be in orbit and following the moon (at least, from what I could tell), shouldn't that mean they just keep orbiting and, if anything, crash into the moon?

The other thing that I noticed was, how in the hell did all that debris get there? There seemed to be more chunks of spaceship out there than there should have been.

 

[Zantos]

EDIT: Oh yea almost forgot, get some Matte surfaces on the ship, I can't see shit past all the shiny lens flair.

I'm currently working on the theory that the sheer luminescence of all the consoles is their emergency lighting if power goes down. You couldn't see shit on that destroyer even when it was in full kill mode.

OT: I really liked it. I enjoyed it from start to end. It could do to be about 6 tribbles more ridiculous to bring it in line with it's source material. I was upset that there was no Scotty playing bagpipes. I liked Cumberbatch, although there were probably much better people for the role I can't actually name anyone in particular. The whole showdown on Kronus scene was pretty damn awesome. Needed more space planet magic (I mean, come on, bring him back to life with blood? Space planet magic!).

Also I hope next they're going to do time travel and kidnapping endangered species. Also also, vulcans are really smug. Oooh we're a super logical race but we believe in destiny. Whatevs Nimoy.