Poll: Suicide: Choice or Response?
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It can be done both ways.Buchholz101 said:
Choice is the "right" way. You don't care about living you choose to end it.
Killing your self as a reaction to something (most likely loosing a loved one or bullying) means that you care about that thing enough to feel bad over loosing it. That means you are capable of caring about something again. That's the "wrong" way.
Interesting question. I guess everything is technically a choice, except certain things like who your parents are, actions of other people, stuff like that. But you can however choose between life or death, rather than be forced into suicide. No one can make you kill yourself without some complex plot where by taking your next breath, a gun shoots you in the face, but even then you have the option of not breathing.
I'm not bashing suicidal people. I have been through those times. But in the end the sooner you take yourself out of the victim role, the sooner you can get control over your own life.
I'm not bashing suicidal people. I have been through those times. But in the end the sooner you take yourself out of the victim role, the sooner you can get control over your own life.
It's a little of both. Or rather, it can be either or. Sometimes someone consciously decides that they can't deal with everything anymore, and sometimes the weight of everything hits them all of a sudden and they react.
Its a choice. You dont see a whole lot of Knee jerk suicides. The person committing suicide has typically put a lot of thought into the situation. When is the last time you heard about someone throwing themselves off a building because of something that had happened just minutes before? Sure it might be the catalyst, but there were already thoughts and consideration in most cases years before that action occurs.
Either or, its a cop out. Its weak. But quite frankly I dont really have a problem with someone committing suicide. If you as an individual cant come up with a reason to live, then perhaps your better off not wasting your life wallowing in misery for years. Somehow I dont think we will be loosing the cure for cancer in their absence. Besides, with no natural predators we need something to thin out the herd, Cant complain about having volunteers.
Either or, its a cop out. Its weak. But quite frankly I dont really have a problem with someone committing suicide. If you as an individual cant come up with a reason to live, then perhaps your better off not wasting your life wallowing in misery for years. Somehow I dont think we will be loosing the cure for cancer in their absence. Besides, with no natural predators we need something to thin out the herd, Cant complain about having volunteers.
Thank you ninja'ing me so I didn't have to type muchVacancie said:
Although not all of the factors are external. Internal ones such as one's genetics and the like also play a role.
And the number of people with the "suicide is a sign of weakness and selfishness" is alarming.
I'm not voting.
It depends on the person and circumstances.
Such a topic cannot be narrowed down to two choices :/
It depends on the person and circumstances.
Such a topic cannot be narrowed down to two choices :/
But this assumes that all people commit suicide for the same reasons. Surely some people choose to kill themselves while others commit suicide as a response to something.
I would say suicide is a choice where it is rational, and people consciously decide that they have weighed up the alternatives and would prefer to die by their own hand, like say a terminal cancer patient who is not depressed but has logically decided that killing themselves provides more benefit than living a short but uncertain amount of time in agony. This is a choice because the pain itself does not cause them to feel suicidal, and indeed many people choose not to kill themselves once they have obtained the right to take their own life despite the pain remaining the same.
Suicide is a response where something directly triggers the suicidal actions or feelings and there is no way for the individual to choose. This can be a mental illness (I myself can testify to this, being bipolar; I have absolutely no control over myself or whether or not I am suicidal when I am in a depressive phase, and, if I did commit suicide, it would be a direct response to the mental illness, which is like the wildfire you described only the forest is my brain) or because of circumstances which prevent the individual functioning rationally. In other words, if you were able to temporarily remove them from that situation and ask them if they still wanted to kill themselves when they go back, they would say no, that's the last thing they want, whereas someone who chose to commit suicide would say they are 100% comfortable with their decision.
This is just my take on the situation.
I would say suicide is a choice where it is rational, and people consciously decide that they have weighed up the alternatives and would prefer to die by their own hand, like say a terminal cancer patient who is not depressed but has logically decided that killing themselves provides more benefit than living a short but uncertain amount of time in agony. This is a choice because the pain itself does not cause them to feel suicidal, and indeed many people choose not to kill themselves once they have obtained the right to take their own life despite the pain remaining the same.
Suicide is a response where something directly triggers the suicidal actions or feelings and there is no way for the individual to choose. This can be a mental illness (I myself can testify to this, being bipolar; I have absolutely no control over myself or whether or not I am suicidal when I am in a depressive phase, and, if I did commit suicide, it would be a direct response to the mental illness, which is like the wildfire you described only the forest is my brain) or because of circumstances which prevent the individual functioning rationally. In other words, if you were able to temporarily remove them from that situation and ask them if they still wanted to kill themselves when they go back, they would say no, that's the last thing they want, whereas someone who chose to commit suicide would say they are 100% comfortable with their decision.
This is just my take on the situation.
Suicide is illogical. It is a choice, and a poor one at that.
The only way it could ever be called less than a choice is when someone kills themselves by mistake. For instance, through mishandling of a weapon or accidental housefire.
The only way it could ever be called less than a choice is when someone kills themselves by mistake. For instance, through mishandling of a weapon or accidental housefire.
as someone who has been there, it's not really either, but if i had to pick one, i'd say it's a response. when i was suicidal, there was no "choice". death was my only option. i can't speak for everyone, but in my case, and many, many others, it's basically a fugue state. all you can do is run down that hall till you get to the end. yes, it's fucking stupid, but that's the problem. there's a reason they call it a mental illness.
obviously my suicide didn't work out in the end, and i'm terribly happy for that now. but at the time, yeah...
there's a lot more i could say here, but i can already tell i'm gonna piss off a lot of people who claim to know how other people's minds work, so i'm gonna bow out now. no point stoking the flames any higher.
obviously my suicide didn't work out in the end, and i'm terribly happy for that now. but at the time, yeah...
yes it's illogical. when one is suicidal, his brain is not functioning properly, not allowing for other options. thus, for you to call it a choice is also illogical.Scout Tactical said:
there's a lot more i could say here, but i can already tell i'm gonna piss off a lot of people who claim to know how other people's minds work, so i'm gonna bow out now. no point stoking the flames any higher.
As someone who has attempted suicide in the past I can say this, Suicide is both. Its a choice you make, you think long and hard about it. You are very aware that you are making the decision to end your life. However, you are making this choice as a response to numerous external factors. Suicide is the outcome of a complicated cause and effect relationship.
I feel that its a grey area and that its not one or the other, its the culmination of many factors, a lot of thought, and an immense amount on internal anguish.
I feel that its a grey area and that its not one or the other, its the culmination of many factors, a lot of thought, and an immense amount on internal anguish.
Are you doubting that I'm Spock, or doubting my analysis?chach_face said:
If the former, you're accurate. If the latter, I have bad news for you.