Poll: Suicide Squad Currently Doing Reshoots to Make it More Fun

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The newest Predator movie mentions its going to be a big event film on the scail of Iron Man 3 (Why Iron Man 3 of all movies?)

Wait what? That was like the only franchise they've managed to extend and somehow magically not ruined.

Here you go:

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/the-predator/39440/the-predator-to-be-big-event-film-says-shane-black

And again, IRON MAN 3?!

Why not Avengers 1 at least? Or Captain America Winter Soldier?

Bloody Shane Black. He needs to stop this crap.

Oh and I did not realize until now, Shane Black directed and screenwrote Iron Man 3

Well all I can say is, it be a surprise if he manages to make this movie even WORSE then Aliens vs Predator 2 Requiem.

Because Predators was surprisingly a good movie.

 

[mduncan50]

Also in your OP you mentioned that this sudden change in Direction of Suicide Squad reeks of Studio Mandated Interference.

I believe BvS suffered the same fate.

Originally it was gonna be just a Man of Steel 2, then it became a reimagined Dark Knight Returns, and then it became "Justice League - The Set Up movie so he don't have to make a bunch of Phase One DC movies"

I have less of an issue with a studio giving the director a mandate as to what they want to see in a movie or general tone and such, that's pretty much par for the course for any franchises. But giving them that mandate AFTER principal photography has finished is just suicidal. (Pun very much intended)

 

[Lightknight]

I'm glad most people are reserving judgment. I have no way of knowing if I like or dislike something like this based on knowing that it merely exists.

I don't think they would have invested the kind of money they did in long term contracts with the likes of actors like Will Smith and not have it placed in incapable hands or to make gut reactions to how other movies are received.

 

[Lieju]

I really don't know what to expect with this movie in general. I didn't really have high hopes for it in the first place (but keeping fingers crossed) so...

 

[Cheesy Goodness]

Considering this is not actually confirmed, I don't know what to think. While Batman v Superman had its share problems, I think being "grimdark" was not one of them, and it had more to do with the bad editing. I hope the director's cut actually gives the movie a chance to breathe and not just cram it with even more stuff.

Compare the reaction to this movie to Supergirl and the Flash teaming up on Monday night. I saw an article on IGN saying that episode is what BvS should have been. No thanks! That is actually the farthest thing I wanted it to be. I've almost given up on all the DC TV shows for their abundance of cheesiness. The only show I watch now is The Flash, and I'm not sure if I'll continue after this season ends.

As for Suicide Squad, I sure hope its good. The trailer made it look like a lighter movie, but that could be deceptive. In my humble opinion, I think some people prefer a cheery tone, because they generally view comic book movies as kid stuff. Batman is the one single exception where going into really dark, serious territory is alright. Everything else needs to be "fun" and family-friendly.

 

[Something Amyss]

Wow...Devin Faraci. There's a name I haven't heard in ages.

A couple of weeks ago I spoke with an excellent source who told me something surprising: the trailer for Suicide Squad, the one with the Queen song, did not represent the film as it then existed. "Every joke in the movie is in that trailer," this source told me. The enormous positive response to the trailer led to Warner Bros requesting reshoots that would alter the tone of the film, bringing in some more of the lightness to which audiences responded.

Okay, if, and I stress IF this is the tone they're going for, I kind of see this as a good thing. Suicide Squad's trailer wasn't overly goofy, it wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool, but it wasn't the grim cesspool I've come to expect from a DC movie. And that's why people responded. Well, that and Queen is freaking awesome and makes everything better.

But if that was all the jokes, if everything else is grime and dire and serious, then I don't think reshoots can make it worse. At worst, we'll go from one hot mess to another hot mess. At best, we might get a semi-decent film.

Remember, though, this is the trailer that got everyone who wasn't a DC fan desperate to see the DCEU succeed onboard with the product. If that's not the product they're delivering, that's going to be really bad news. I would take "muddled" over that.

 

[mduncan50]

Considering this is not actually confirmed, I don't know what to think. While Batman v Superman had its share problems, I think being "grimdark" was not one of them, and it had more to do with the bad editing. I hope the director's cut actually gives the movie a chance to breathe and not just cram it with even more stuff.

Compare the reaction to this movie to Supergirl and the Flash teaming up on Monday night. I saw an article on IGN saying that episode is what BvS should have been. No thanks! That is actually the farthest thing I wanted it to be. I've almost given up on all the DC TV shows for their abundance of cheesiness. The only show I watch now is The Flash, and I'm not sure if I'll continue after this season ends.

As for Suicide Squad, I sure hope its good. The trailer made it look like a lighter movie, but that could be deceptive. In my humble opinion, I think some people prefer a cheery tone, because they generally view comic book movies as kid stuff. Batman is the one single exception where going into really dark, serious territory is alright. Everything else needs to be "fun" and family-friendly.

I don't necessarily agree that everyone want their superhero movies fun and family friendly. Deadpool definitely wasn't family friendly, and the upcoming Civil War looks more heartbreaking than fun. But there is a certain balance to be maintained. If your entire movie is extremely dark and serious, then the moments that are supposed to heavily impact the audience will be be blunted because they don't really make us feel any different. Also, taking Superman who is supposed to be a ray of hope, and the embodiment of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" and turning him into Batman with a slightly more colorful suit just doesn't, and probably never will, make sense to me.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

You know how much is everyone willing to bet that most of the jokes and humor is going to come from the 2 literal clowns them being Joker and Harley Quinn?

 

[mduncan50]

Okay, if, and I stress IF this is the tone they're going for, I kind of see this as a good thing. Suicide Squad's trailer wasn't overly goofy, it wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool, but it wasn't the grim cesspool I've come to expect from a DC movie. And that's why people responded. Well, that and Queen is freaking awesome and makes everything better.

But if that was all the jokes, if everything else is grime and dire and serious, then I don't think reshoots can make it worse. At worst, we'll go from one hot mess to another hot mess. At best, we might get a semi-decent film.

Remember, though, this is the trailer that got everyone who wasn't a DC fan desperate to see the DCEU succeed onboard with the product. If that's not the product they're delivering, that's going to be really bad news. I would take "muddled" over that.

I definitely see what you're saying, and I can't lie and say that I'm not feeling that at all, I feel the need to play devil's advocate. Imagine that BvS had come out after Batman Begins, assuming Bale in the role, and all of the criticisms had been the same. Then at that point, with primary filming completed on The Dark Knight, the WB forced Nolan to do reshoots to make the movie "more fun" (and we're assuming Ledger was still alive at the time this was happening). I have a hard time believing it would be an equally good film, nevermind better.

 

[DefunctTheory]

To be honest, my expectations were already non-existent. Absolutely nothing from Suicide Squads pre-production hype train made me feel good about the movie - The casting looked odd, the costumes atrocious, still not sold on their version of Joker, the trailers are , with the exception of that one song, fairly underwhelming... just nothing really looks good to me.

Then I saw BvS, and now i just have zero confidence in anything DC that's not on TV.

The benefit of this is that, completely unburdened by any urge to watch the movies, I can now giggle a bit when stuff like this happens. A re-shoot to change the tone, probably to try an emulate Deadpool.

Hilarious.

 

[mduncan50]

You know how much is everyone willing to bet that most of the jokes and humor is going to come from the 2 literal clowns them being Joker and Harley Quinn?

I personally don't understand casting Will Smith in a stone cold serious role. One of the most charming dudes in Hollywood and you want to repeat After Earth?

 

[Mangod]

I don't agree. The Dirty Dozen with supervillains sounds like a rather fun idea for a movie. But if the trailer was litterally all the jokes they have in the movie...

Did you read the comics? To say they weren't great was kind of an understatement.
Dirty Dozen is a good concept, Suicide Squad is very much not.

Wait a minute... crap, I forgot to bold part of the quote. I meant that the concept was a good idea. The execution I couldn't comment on; I don't think the comic's ever been released in Sweden.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

You know how much is everyone willing to bet that most of the jokes and humor is going to come from the 2 literal clowns them being Joker and Harley Quinn?

I personally don't understand casting Will Smith in a stone cold serious role. One of the most charming dudes in Hollywood and you want to repeat After Earth?

OK I doubt he's gonna be THAT Stone Cold Serious on the level of After Earth.

 

[MCerberus]

So was Harley stealing from the store in the trailer the only joke in the entire movie, or is this just a reaction to Deadpool + BvS hate?

In either case, this smells of "by committee". Even Nolan had bat-artistic integrity sometimes, while Suicide Squad descends into trend chasing. Do we know if they've focus grouped all the personality out of it yet?

 

[Wrex Brogan]

...Man, this is going to end terribly. I wasn't too keen on Suicide Squad to begin with - the trailers felt like it was trying way too hard to be 'edgy' (not helped by how Leto has been selling his Joker performance in interviews) - so them going 'heeey, yeah, we need to make it not-grim and terrible' so suddenly is... not good signs.

Now, could be horribly wrong, could turn out really well and make it a better movie.

But on the other hand, they still made Man of Steel and Superman vs. Batman, at no point asking any questions like 'are we sure we're getting these characters right?', so... I'll reserve my more negative judgements until it's out.

 

[Something Amyss]

I definitely see what you're saying, and I can't lie and say that I'm not feeling that at all, I feel the need to play devil's advocate. Imagine that BvS had come out after Batman Begins, assuming Bale in the role, and all of the criticisms had been the same. Then at that point, with primary filming completed on The Dark Knight, the WB forced Nolan to do reshoots to make the movie "more fun" (and we're assuming Ledger was still alive at the time this was happening). I have a hard time believing it would be an equally good film, nevermind better.

The difference here is that TDK had people sold from the beginning. And especially from that first moment of Ledger's Joker. People were eating crow left and right immediately on that one.

So let's continue the parallel:

What if the promo material for TDK hadn't done that? What if the only thing that got a positive response was if they cut all the funny moments from the movie together and backed it to a classic rock track (say, "Who Are You?" by The Who) and only then did it get positive responses?

Do you think such a Dark Knight would have been amazing?

For that matter, do you think this would be likely to happen on the back of Nolan, on the heels of his last movie being an actual success? Let's be honest here, Nolan wouldn't have had this problem after Begins, even if BVS had sucked.

Which, keep in mind, probably wasn't the catalyst here. I mean, they're already in reshoots less than a week after BVS dropped, according to this rumour. I thoroughly believe they could rewrite scenes in that time, but a full reshooting schedule? Something was already going on here.

 

[mduncan50]

I definitely see what you're saying, and I can't lie and say that I'm not feeling that at all, I feel the need to play devil's advocate. Imagine that BvS had come out after Batman Begins, assuming Bale in the role, and all of the criticisms had been the same. Then at that point, with primary filming completed on The Dark Knight, the WB forced Nolan to do reshoots to make the movie "more fun" (and we're assuming Ledger was still alive at the time this was happening). I have a hard time believing it would be an equally good film, nevermind better.

The difference here is that TDK had people sold from the beginning. And especially from that first moment of Ledger's Joker. People were eating crow left and right immediately on that one.

So let's continue the parallel:

What if the promo material for TDK hadn't done that? What if the only thing that got a positive response was if they cut all the funny moments from the movie together and backed it to a classic rock track (say, "Who Are You?" by The Who) and only then did it get positive responses?

Do you think such a Dark Knight would have been amazing?

For that matter, do you think this would be likely to happen on the back of Nolan, on the heels of his last movie being an actual success? Let's be honest here, Nolan wouldn't have had this problem after Begins, even if BVS had sucked.

Which, keep in mind, probably wasn't the catalyst here. I mean, they're already in reshoots less than a week after BVS dropped, according to this rumour. I thoroughly believe they could rewrite scenes in that time, but a full reshooting schedule? Something was already going on here.

Actually Man of Steel made almost twice as much box office as Batman Begins, so yeah, it definitely could have happened. And no it wouldn't have been amazing, it would have been terrible, which is my point.

 

[Parasondox]

How is it that DC TV, animation and games get things right (not all the time but you understand) but movies are a damn hassle.

I enjoy both The Flash and DareDevil. Both very different shows but they know what they are and can be. I am not dumb, I know DD is Marvel. Daredevil uses the back story of the characters, the environment and real world situations to give us a collective story surrounding a no powered super hero in a worlds where, yes, powered people lived but don't slap you in the face with it. Showing you the everyday world that Marvel has built. The characters have 9-5 lives. They don't live off world and aren't billionaires. Two low paid lawyers taking small cases, an assistant who tries to find the truth about things but put their lives at risk, a nurse who works long shifts, 7 days a week and barely gets enough rest and dealing with office politics that will affect her job.

The Flash for DC is a spin off of Arrow, which itself tried to be Nolan Batman in season one, but The Flash knows it's cheesy, campy, ridiculous and over the top because, well, comics themselves are weird. They are. Don't lie to yourself saying they have deeper meaning. Maybe one or two editions do, and they are written brilliantly but majority are insane and fun and I love that.

Movie executives may look down upon TV from time to time but they need to realise that TV is changing and evolving to the point where it will over shadow "Hollywood". If there was a survey done, I assume most people would say they watch TV more than movies now. 5-10 years ago that was different.

You can have one thing that is "fun" and you can one thing that is "dark". You just need to get the right people and team behind it and know what the protect is about and trying to show. Don't keepo adding and adding and adding once something has already been established.