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TaborMallory said:
Nincompoop said:
If OnLive turns out to be a total success, an expensive gaming PC will be rendered a waste of money.

OnLive will be available this winter, hence I voted next year.

This is what I'm doing.
I just watched a trailer for OnLive and it reeks of Peter-Molyneux-Syndrome.
Also, how would it render PCs useless? It connects to PCs as well.
You couldn't expect them to pack all that boasted power in a little box, can you?
You took that out of context. I said, and I quote; "expensive gaming PC". Not just a PC.
 

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axia777 said:
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Anyway, OP, I've got a very computer-savvy friend. He has a Windows 7 beta, and says it's the best operating system on the PC.
It is good to here that. All the press I have heard about 7 has been good from places like Ars Technica. I have had XP x64 for too long and I want a new OS. It is starting to feel dated. My next machine will be a Windows 7 OS based system for sure.
According to my friend, W7 looks like Vista, but has none of Vista's problems and annoyances, and is much faster than XP.
One time he came over to my house and fixed something on my XP computer; he wouldn't stop complaining about how slow it was.
 

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Nincompoop said:
TaborMallory said:
Nincompoop said:
If OnLive turns out to be a total success, an expensive gaming PC will be rendered a waste of money.

OnLive will be available this winter, hence I voted next year.

This is what I'm doing.
I just watched a trailer for OnLive and it reeks of Peter-Molyneux-Syndrome.
Also, how would it render PCs useless? It connects to PCs as well.
You couldn't expect them to pack all that boasted power in a little box, can you?
You took that out of context. I said, and I quote; "expensive gaming PC". Not just a PC.
My apologies. But still, how does it defeat the purpose of an expensive gaming PC? As I've said, a little box couldn't possibly compare to a high-end PC in terms of computing power.
 

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axia777 said:
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I run Crysis on high with no problems.
I would like to see that.
He said nothing about resolution, so he's guaranteed to be right. And "no problems" in this context is about the most subjective thing in the world. Some people feel 30fps average equals "no problems", some feel 60fps average equals "no problems", while some will not settle for less than 60fps minimum. Further depending on game, of course.

BTW, I have a slightly lesser PC than his, and Crysis at High seems to run well enough at 1680x1050. I understand the requirements go up sharply somewhere around mid-game, but unfortunately I haven't played for more than an half an hour from the beginning before getting bored, so I'm not sure how my computer would do in the later parts.
 

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Nutcase said:
axia777 said:
Nincompoop said:
I run Crysis on high with no problems.
I would like to see that.
He said nothing about resolution, so he's guaranteed to be right. And "no problems" in this context is about the most subjective thing in the world. Some people feel 30fps average equals "no problems", some feel 60fps average equals "no problems", while some will not settle for less than 60fps minimum. Further depending on game, of course.

BTW, I have a slightly lesser PC than his, and Crysis at High seems to run well enough at 1680x1050. I understand the requirements go up sharply somewhere around mid-game, but unfortunately I haven't played for more than an half an hour from the beginning before getting bored, so I'm not sure how my computer would do in the later parts.
Hold on!

Thank for pseudo standing up for me.

But

He framed me. I have never said anything about Crysis -.-. Can I report him for that? If you search for that comment, you will find that... Well you won't find it.
 

Nincompoop

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TaborMallory said:
Nincompoop said:
TaborMallory said:
Nincompoop said:
If OnLive turns out to be a total success, an expensive gaming PC will be rendered a waste of money.

OnLive will be available this winter, hence I voted next year.

This is what I'm doing.
I just watched a trailer for OnLive and it reeks of Peter-Molyneux-Syndrome.
Also, how would it render PCs useless? It connects to PCs as well.
You couldn't expect them to pack all that boasted power in a little box, can you?
You took that out of context. I said, and I quote; "expensive gaming PC". Not just a PC.
My apologies. But still, how does it defeat the purpose of an expensive gaming PC? As I've said, a little box couldn't possibly compare to a high-end PC in terms of computing power.
Well, you aren't playing the game, that's the point. A super PC in some warehouse plays it for you. It's like you have the mouse, keyboard and monitor with you, but the PC case thingy is somewhere else. All it does is sending the the images of the corresponding actions you make.

Then, if this works, good, it will thusly render a expensive gaming PC useless, because you won't need to upgrade with OnLive.

I'm not saying that this will work 100%, I'm saying give it a shot, wait and see.
 

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Nincompoop said:
Hold on!

Thank for pseudo standing up for me.

But

He framed me. I have never said anything about Crysis -.-. Can I report him for that? If you search for that comment, you will find that... Well you won't find it.
What happened is that he quoted Rednog and fucked up removing the quote tags so that your name was left there instead of Rednog's. Happens all the time. You would have noticed it if you searched for that text snippet on this thread with your browser's text search. I think if someone wanted to frame you (?!?), they'd put something a little more controversial into your mouth than a claim that Crysis runs just fine on your computer.
 

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Flying-Emu said:
Rednog said:
You posses the ability to build a pc by hand, trust me a monkey with one arm and a screwdriver can put together a basic rig.
Want to teach an Emu with a crowbar how to put together a rig?
Program initiated

You stand in a dark basement, to the north you see a lot of boxes. To the south you see faint light. To the east you see a screwdriver

>Go east

You see a screwdriver. To the west is the middle of the basement.

>Pick up screwdriver

Screwdriver has been added to your inventory

> Go west

You stand in a dark basement, to the north you see a lot of boxes. To the south you see faint light. To the east you see a screwdriver

> Go north

You see a lot of boxes. To the south you see the middle of the basement.

> Open boxes

You open the boxes, you end up with a case, a motherboard, a power supply, a video card, a processor, a hard drive and memory.

> Open case

You open the case, you see a lot of slots.

> Examine slots

You see a slot that could fit the motherboard.

> Fit motherboard

You fit the motherboard, it fits nice and snug.
You see a case with a motherboard fit in one of the slots

> Examine slots

You see a slot that seems to fit the memory.

> Fit memory

You fit the memory, it fits nice and snug.
You see a case with a motherboard and memory fit.

> Examine slots

You see some weird connections, you notice they are the same size as your video card.

> Fit video card

And so on, and so on, and so on.
 

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Nutcase said:
Nincompoop said:
Hold on!

Thank for pseudo standing up for me.

But

He framed me. I have never said anything about Crysis -.-. Can I report him for that? If you search for that comment, you will find that... Well you won't find it.
What happened is that he quoted Rednog and fucked up removing the quote tags so that your name was left there instead of Rednog's. Happens all the time. You would have noticed it if you searched for that text snippet on this thread with your browser's text search. I think if someone wanted to frame you (?!?), they'd put something a little more controversial into your mouth than a claim that Crysis runs just fine on your computer.
I did find out minutes later, but I had no idea how to explain it. So I waited for your enlightenment.

I agree that it would be a silly frame =P.
 

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AT LEAST WAIT FOR WINDOWS 7. thats thats what im going to do before i buy a laptop as vista supposedly stresses them out. tho when my boyfreind build his PC (which is easy enough for even me to do) he ended up with a good PC(which can play crysis with no strain) but it wasn't cheap(£1600ish).
 

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Tenmar said:
As for the ability to build your own computer if you are willing to take about 3 days watching videos on youtube and going to computer websites like newegg.com to understand the computer component then the day you get all your parts you will be able to build your own computer. It may take a lot of time but it will be worth it. When I built my latest computer which was my first computer I built on my own the construction took me about 9 hours reading the instructions and taking the time being cautious. The willingness to learn and patience rewards capable.
You are proving my posts right. Three days of research, 9 hours spent building, plus however long it takes when things go wrong?

There is nothing that can possibly make building your own computer a good idea unless you are very much on top of things, can access spare parts in an emergency, and also consider the building and research to be entertainment. Otherwise, you should have it built, work an extra two hours or four hours or whatnot depending on your hourly wage to offset the cost, enjoy not having to do days of meaningless work and enjoy not having to take any risk.
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
Nincompoop said:
RAKtheUndead said:
Nincompoop said:
If OnLive turns out to be a total success, an expensive gaming PC will be rendered a waste of money.

OnLive will be available this winter, hence I voted next year.

This is what I'm doing.
OnLive won't work. It's 1960s-1980s technology translated to a modern audience who don't need it. Basically, time-sharing became mostly obsolete when people got home computers which worked properly.
Keep in mind how fast the internet is growing. If it's possible on paper, it should be at least be given a chance.
It's possible on paper, but short of million-dollar mainframes, it became absolutely obsolete about twenty bloody years ago.
I'm sure we are a little more advanced today. They sure have the money. I for one am gonna wait a year or two, and see how this will turn out.
 

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Nutcase said:
Tenmar said:
As for the ability to build your own computer if you are willing to take about 3 days watching videos on youtube and going to computer websites like newegg.com to understand the computer component then the day you get all your parts you will be able to build your own computer. It may take a lot of time but it will be worth it. When I built my latest computer which was my first computer I built on my own the construction took me about 9 hours reading the instructions and taking the time being cautious. The willingness to learn and patience rewards capable.
You are proving my posts right. Three days of research, 9 hours spent building, plus however long it takes when things go wrong?

There is nothing that can possibly make building your own computer a good idea unless you are very much on top of things, can access spare parts in an emergency, and also consider the building and research to be entertainment. Otherwise, you should have it built, work an extra two hours or four hours or whatnot depending on your hourly wage to offset the cost, enjoy not having to do days of meaningless work and enjoy not having to take any risk.
It doesn't take 3 days of research to build your own PC, just a few recommendation articles and some common sense. That's all you need to pick parts (for example, not buying a $500 video card is that 5% better than a $200 video card). Then putting it together is as simple as following the manuals.
 

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Nincompoop said:
If OnLive turns out to be a total success, an expensive gaming PC will be rendered a waste of money.

OnLive will be available this winter, hence I voted next year.

This is what I'm doing.
Except that OnLive managed to fail their E3 presentation with lag, input delay and bad image quality when there was about 1 person on it. Also, Cevat Yerli thinks it's an awesome idea so it gets a few bullshit points right out of the box.

Back on topic:
Crysis is a very bad benchmark and here's why:
Unoptimized engine. Because Crytek spend more money on marketing then on development, there are several large holes in the programming, which make the game noticeably worse on hardware that wasn't out in 2007 and thus wasn't optimized for. IE, the more advanced your card, the crappier it's going to run. I actually went down in performace switching from a 8800GTS to a GTX260.
Memory leaks on max graphics. Because of some more crappy coding, running the game on the highest settings will generate an infinite amount of superfluous data stored in the ram as long as the game is running. Over time, it WILL crash your pc, no matter how good it is. More RAM increases the time before that happens but slows down your computer because more processing power is wasted on addressing all of it.

A PC that will run it on medium will set you back $300 around here. For high, try $500. No point in going above that because it won't work anyway. It all depends on how good you manage your system as well. You CAN run Crysis on medium/low with a pentium 4, 512mb ram and a geforce 6800. Other people(those who never heard of driver updates like recently converted consolers) complain about not getting it to work on an i7 and a 9800XXX.
 

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Asehujiko said:
Nincompoop said:
If OnLive turns out to be a total success, an expensive gaming PC will be rendered a waste of money.

OnLive will be available this winter, hence I voted next year.

This is what I'm doing.
Except that OnLive managed to fail their E3 presentation with lag, input delay and bad image quality when there was about 1 person on it. Also, Cevat Yerli thinks it's an awesome idea so it gets a few bullshit points right out of the box.
Are you actually implying that a first presentation is equal to the final result? Give it a shot. Besides, the problems they experienced could have been local.
 

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not a zaar said:
Nutcase said:
Tenmar said:
As for the ability to build your own computer if you are willing to take about 3 days watching videos on youtube and going to computer websites like newegg.com to understand the computer component then the day you get all your parts you will be able to build your own computer. It may take a lot of time but it will be worth it. When I built my latest computer which was my first computer I built on my own the construction took me about 9 hours reading the instructions and taking the time being cautious. The willingness to learn and patience rewards capable.
You are proving my posts right. Three days of research, 9 hours spent building, plus however long it takes when things go wrong?

There is nothing that can possibly make building your own computer a good idea unless you are very much on top of things, can access spare parts in an emergency, and also consider the building and research to be entertainment. Otherwise, you should have it built, work an extra two hours or four hours or whatnot depending on your hourly wage to offset the cost, enjoy not having to do days of meaningless work and enjoy not having to take any risk.
It doesn't take 3 days of research to build your own PC, just a few recommendation articles and some common sense. That's all you need to pick parts (for example, not buying a $500 video card is that 5% better than a $200 video card). Then putting it together is as simple as following the manuals.
Explain me again why one wouldn't simply glance at those articles, then call the store and have them build the machine with the $200 video card.
 

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Nutcase said:
not a zaar said:
Nutcase said:
Tenmar said:
As for the ability to build your own computer if you are willing to take about 3 days watching videos on youtube and going to computer websites like newegg.com to understand the computer component then the day you get all your parts you will be able to build your own computer. It may take a lot of time but it will be worth it. When I built my latest computer which was my first computer I built on my own the construction took me about 9 hours reading the instructions and taking the time being cautious. The willingness to learn and patience rewards capable.
You are proving my posts right. Three days of research, 9 hours spent building, plus however long it takes when things go wrong?

There is nothing that can possibly make building your own computer a good idea unless you are very much on top of things, can access spare parts in an emergency, and also consider the building and research to be entertainment. Otherwise, you should have it built, work an extra two hours or four hours or whatnot depending on your hourly wage to offset the cost, enjoy not having to do days of meaningless work and enjoy not having to take any risk.
It doesn't take 3 days of research to build your own PC, just a few recommendation articles and some common sense. That's all you need to pick parts (for example, not buying a $500 video card is that 5% better than a $200 video card). Then putting it together is as simple as following the manuals.
Explain me again why one wouldn't simply glance at those articles, then call the store and have them build the machine with the $200 video card.
Maybe because 'one' isn't afraid to crack open a manual and dedicate 40 minutes to a task that some store dude would charge your hundreds of dollars for.