Poll: Survival. By any means necessary.
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Would be really gross though, but I think if the hunger becomes bad enough then the will to live overrides everything. Infact I read somewhere a while ago that apparently humans have a gene that code for a specific antigen that prevents (atleast many) humans from becoming sick of eating other humans. So if it's an evolutionary adaptive trait than apparently during the days that preceded civilization humans weren't all that picky with their food. Or maybe the circumstances were dire enough.
captcha: glazed donut. Yeah that sounds much better!
captcha: glazed donut. Yeah that sounds much better!
That is THE line I will never, ever cross. I would rather die, because after cannibalism I wouldn't see myself as deserving to live.
Most people say that when they are sitting behind a computer and have never had to contemplate the reality of themselves and those they care about starving slowly to death.kickyourass said:
I think you'd act differently if the proposed situation was actually your reality. :/
Given the circumstances you have put me in:
- Survive by any means necessary.
- No food for one whole week.
- Morally conflicting moment, do I eat another person?
Yes. I would.
Any other point in time, no.
But if I was starving, had no food, someone tried to kill me, and survival is number 1 right now, yes.
- Survive by any means necessary.
- No food for one whole week.
- Morally conflicting moment, do I eat another person?
Yes. I would.
Any other point in time, no.
But if I was starving, had no food, someone tried to kill me, and survival is number 1 right now, yes.
Yes, of course. He's already dead, and I'm starving, there is no question. I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but I'd do it.
Lean meat is muscle.Secondhand Revenant said:
As someone who grew up in farm country, that image is incredibly wrong. You can feed a person off of a hell of a lot less than 44 acres. Somewhere around 5 would be more than enough. If you were really anal about space management and seasonal rotations you could probably do it in 1 or 2.Space Butterfly said:
If it makes you feel better, I PROMISE, that if I ever do get caught in that dire of a situation and fall to the urge of hunger, I'll make extra special sure to let you know. How's that?Qwurty2.0 said:
Assuming water isn't an issue and I can cook then I'm gonna have me a barbeque. Seeing as they were going to kill me and I'm starving I don't really have an ethical problem with it although I'd hope I wouldn't be too squeamish.
Oh and I'm totally making some jerky.
Oh and I'm totally making some jerky.
I would go canibal to survive i there is no other choice.
thumbs kinda look like chickenlegs anyways if you bread an fry them, but human meat makes aweful eatin compred to the anmals we breed to be yummy.
I supposed it would be better to cook human meat than to fry it, I imgine it gets pretty chewy easily.
anyone got good recipes to share?
thumbs kinda look like chickenlegs anyways if you bread an fry them, but human meat makes aweful eatin compred to the anmals we breed to be yummy.
I supposed it would be better to cook human meat than to fry it, I imgine it gets pretty chewy easily.
anyone got good recipes to share?
In that situation? Yep, sure.
If the world has fallen to shit, and I'm desperately trying to survive, and the mother!@#$er just tried to kill me, I would have no qualms about taking a few strips out of his ass or arms or legs to keep me going.
If the world has fallen to shit, and I'm desperately trying to survive, and the mother!@#$er just tried to kill me, I would have no qualms about taking a few strips out of his ass or arms or legs to keep me going.
Well, I'd probably last longer then a week (I wouldn't starve THAT fast) but I'd do it if I had to. Especially if it was a stranger who had tried to kill me. It's easy to say you wouldn't do something while eating ice cream in your living room and watching the lego movie, but when things get bad, you'd be surprised. We're hard wired to survive. If it makes anyone feel better, if we're starving together in the mountains and I kick the bucket first, have at it.
Hopefully I'll have some fava beans for just such an occasion. Fufufufufufu.
(I'd probably be mentally scarred though).
Hopefully I'll have some fava beans for just such an occasion. Fufufufufufu.
(I'd probably be mentally scarred though).
Red meat and pork make me ill. Human has been compared to pork. I'm not sure it'd sustain me, so I think I'd rather starve than risk starving while throwing up (and other things) because I ate "pork."
No... Not because I wouldn't in this situation, but because I would be already dead before I make my first bite... (Stupid sexy heat!)
Alternate answer: Nope if raw, maybe if cooked, and yes regardless of what they [actually] look like if we're speaking in general...
Alternate answer: Nope if raw, maybe if cooked, and yes regardless of what they [actually] look like if we're speaking in general...
I don't think I could bring myself to do it, but I also recognize that's probably not a good decision for me personally. It just wouldn't feel right. I mean maybe if someone else did the actual preparation of it and didn't tell me about it, but that seems awful on my part. I would feel bad.
I would probably be dead already due to being weak and unable to fend for myself, but if i were still alive and the choice came up i wouldn't think twice about it. Here's a question i would rather like answered, it might seem rather obvious but i am yet to hear a satisfactory explanation. Why is cannibalism immoral?
Now, I'm not asking why it is disgusting, because disgusting is entirely subjective. Some people think any meat is disgusting. Some people believe worshiping the wrong god is disgusting. Some people think coffee is disgusting. Some people think rap music is disgusting. Stating something is disgusting is not a valid ethical argument. So i don't want some half-arsed "it just is, okay" response. I'm talking a purely rational and philosophical explanation as to why eating the same species is immoral but eating other species isn't. And I'm not asking for an evolutionary explanation as to why we would hold this behavior, i would imagine the instinct to not kill your own species for food would be positive evolutionary trait for the survival of our species. And I'm also not asking why murder is immoral, by cannibalism I'm talking pure cannibalism, as in you had absolutely nothing to do with the person's death, or you have killed them under circumstances that would be considered acceptable (ie, self defense).
Take the following example:
A person who has given explicit consent to being served up as a meal at a restaurant upon their death. They won't be served raw, but rather cooked and prepared in the same manner as any other meat would be, maybe a nice stew, or a juicy steak. For argument's sake lets say that the meal will be free, so there's no chance of sparking some new industry on cannibalism.
Why would it be immoral for someone to eat this creature that has lived a full and happy life, and consented to being eaten upon a natural death, whereas it is considered perfectly moral to eat a creature that has suffered and been caged its entire life, would die an unnatural death purely for profit and would certainly not consent to being killed for food?
I understand why people wouldn't do it, there are lots of perfectly moral things that i would not do. But i don't understand why it would be considered immoral if murder is not involved.
Now, I'm not asking why it is disgusting, because disgusting is entirely subjective. Some people think any meat is disgusting. Some people believe worshiping the wrong god is disgusting. Some people think coffee is disgusting. Some people think rap music is disgusting. Stating something is disgusting is not a valid ethical argument. So i don't want some half-arsed "it just is, okay" response. I'm talking a purely rational and philosophical explanation as to why eating the same species is immoral but eating other species isn't. And I'm not asking for an evolutionary explanation as to why we would hold this behavior, i would imagine the instinct to not kill your own species for food would be positive evolutionary trait for the survival of our species. And I'm also not asking why murder is immoral, by cannibalism I'm talking pure cannibalism, as in you had absolutely nothing to do with the person's death, or you have killed them under circumstances that would be considered acceptable (ie, self defense).
Take the following example:
A person who has given explicit consent to being served up as a meal at a restaurant upon their death. They won't be served raw, but rather cooked and prepared in the same manner as any other meat would be, maybe a nice stew, or a juicy steak. For argument's sake lets say that the meal will be free, so there's no chance of sparking some new industry on cannibalism.
Why would it be immoral for someone to eat this creature that has lived a full and happy life, and consented to being eaten upon a natural death, whereas it is considered perfectly moral to eat a creature that has suffered and been caged its entire life, would die an unnatural death purely for profit and would certainly not consent to being killed for food?
I understand why people wouldn't do it, there are lots of perfectly moral things that i would not do. But i don't understand why it would be considered immoral if murder is not involved.
I'd like to answer your question with another question: Define moral, and why you care about it?FirstNameLastName said:
Morality is a meaningless term when placed next to the needs of survival. You're asking a moot point rather when dealing with the original situation. The concept of moral is completely subjective as well when it comes to cannibalism. Some cultures preform it as part of their burial rituals without batting an eye. It's distasteful nature in the "civilized" world is due solely to the social pressures.
Why do I not eat my neighbor, even though he cranks his music to loud at all hours of the night? My own base laziness and the repercussions faced when trying to explain it to the authorities.
I would actually agree, I don't believe there is any set morality. In fact, I'd argue that nothing is truly moral or immoral, they are simply a set beliefs we hold that make sense within the context of other beliefs, and usually some kind of overarching philosophy we subscribe to.Armadox said:
Nonetheless, we as humans have evolved to instinctively empathize with other creatures, and even within the realm of moral nihilism, people tend to truly internalize the meaninglessness.
Either way, if we agree that morality is a largely meaningless concept then cannibalism can't really be immoral. And if some kind a moral system is adopted then the shunning of cannibalism would still need to justified within that system.