Poll: Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

Yea, but it squeezed itself REALLY SLOWLY through the bars when logically it could have flung a sharp piece of itself through the bars. In fact, there was no reason for T-1000 to grab onto the back of the car with blades when it could easily liquify and move up into the car.

It could have hidden inside her orange juice and stabbed her from the inside. (Yes, I know - that would be a really short movie.)

Just because it squeezed slowly doesn't mean it could have squeezed any faster. If your car tops out at 100mph, it's not going to move any faster than that just because you think it "should be able to." As far as we know it did what it was capable of doing.

Also, we have no idea whether or not it actually could have flung part of itself with the velocity needed to kill - we've never seen the T-1000 using pieces of itself as projectiles, other than "Uncle Bob" saying that it can't create propellent. So, logically, the best it could do would be to throw part of itself using its physical strength, and it better have one hell of a Pitcher's arm, because that was a very long hallway.

Just because you say it could "easily" liquify and move up the car doesn't mean that it can. That's a capability that, again, we as an audience have no idea whether or not it actually possesses.

Your arguments here are based on hypothetical capabilities of a machine which we, the viewers, aren't privy to. My argument with regard to the TX is that it simply failed to seize an opportunity. An infiltrator/assassin that intentionally exposes itself before it gets the chance to eliminate its target, giving its target a chance to escape, is an infiltrator/assassin that sucks at its job - regardless of whether it's a machine or a person.

Kyle Reese: "Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, unless it gets an opportunity to mug for the camera for a SWEET trailer shot, until you are dead."

The T-1000 was most likely lacking in creative thinking there. AI like any portable machine could have has to work within it's own programing. Besides that that T-1000 has plainly shown and painfully limited range over the action of it's liquid metal body, and it's even explained that way. So throwing a sharp projectile made of it self might have had unpredictable results. Either way the T-1000 is shown to have a priority of keeping it self in a single piece. Otherwise it could have easily just booby trapped a hall with bits of it self and skewered everyone from every direction. It's a machine and lacks the creative thought process of humans, or even Skynet for that matter. It can only work with in the set parameters, intentional separation is probably a variable it can't compute.

As for flowing up into the car? Well physics says that the wind would have torn it apart if it liquified at such high speed.

I'd wager a guess that the T-1000 has a very small CPU, and very little storage space. As it's made mostly of it's liquid metal larger components would risk getting heavily damaged when it's hit by say, a shotgun slug. Smaller ones could be anywhere within it's body to mitigate the potential of damage. The T-800 on the other hand is heavily armoured with plenty of space for larger more complex components, so it's learning computer is possible due to the space and the protection available. So I'd say while the T-1000 is more advanced as a killing machine, the T-800 is still more advanced as a general purpose unit, due to having a better computer.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

I think it was an entertaining and passable action movie, but it just felt so damn unnecessary. A large part of what killed it was because T2 was just so damn good, easily one of my favorite action movies of all time, that I really sort of wish the series would have just ended then on such a high note.

Other things killed it for me as well:
-Despite supposedly being much more powerful, the TX never felt even close to as scary and intimidating to me as the T-1000 did.
-It traded in a lot of the dirt and grit of the previous movies for more cheesy jokes.

Despite this, like I said, still a decent action movie, and one I'd watch again if it popped up on TV.

 

[Bad Jim]

I'd wager a guess that the T-1000 has a very small CPU, and very little storage space. As it's made mostly of it's liquid metal larger components would risk getting heavily damaged when it's hit by say, a shotgun slug. Smaller ones could be anywhere within it's body to mitigate the potential of damage. The T-800 on the other hand is heavily armoured with plenty of space for larger more complex components, so it's learning computer is possible due to the space and the protection available. So I'd say while the T-1000 is more advanced as a killing machine, the T-800 is still more advanced as a general purpose unit, due to having a better computer.

But we saw the T-800s chips. They were tiny. And the actual silicon would be almost microscopic. They don't even need a heatsink and fan. There would not be a pressing reason to make the chips any smaller at the cost of being too stupid to change disguises occasionally.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

It wasn't the worst, but I think that was one of those movies that languished in production hell (Arnie had to bail out one of the stunt FX shots personally to get the movie finished). So it made a lot of sacrificies to get to the theater. Could have been a lot better. I was even on board for Salvation, still think its a decent movie but McG just didn't have the directing chops to make it hit all the right notes. The material was there, but the craftsmanship wasn't... and thats sad because we lost Christian Bale's involvement in further movies because of it.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

I'd wager a guess that the T-1000 has a very small CPU, and very little storage space. As it's made mostly of it's liquid metal larger components would risk getting heavily damaged when it's hit by say, a shotgun slug. Smaller ones could be anywhere within it's body to mitigate the potential of damage. The T-800 on the other hand is heavily armoured with plenty of space for larger more complex components, so it's learning computer is possible due to the space and the protection available. So I'd say while the T-1000 is more advanced as a killing machine, the T-800 is still more advanced as a general purpose unit, due to having a better computer.

But we saw the T-800s chips. They were tiny. And the actual silicon would be almost microscopic. They don't even need a heatsink and fan. There would not be a pressing reason to make the chips any smaller at the cost of being too stupid to change disguises occasionally.

The T-800's chip is still far and away a large enough to be a serious hazard if hit with a pistol round, let alone a 10-12 gauge rifled deer slug. It's actually large enough to make a lucky shot an instant failure of the whole unit, if the unit is made of liquid metal. Also the chip would have to be static in the T-1000, as if it were all over the body the T-1000 would loose CPU efficiency every time it were hit. They're actually so large in the T-800 that they make modern CPU clusters look miniscule. Even so a lucky hit on could be devistating to something as small as a 14nm Broadwell core. So the T-1000 would naturally use something much smaller, as to avoid exposing it to any Hydrostatic shock. That's just the CPU there's also the varied levels of memory and storage it'd need, and they'd have to be amazingly tiny too. Small enough that they wouldn't be a noticeable bump on a smooth floor without a magnifying glass. That would severely limit the T-1000's cognitive abilities, especially when coupled with it's ability to manipulate it's body, and it's sophisticated sensors.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Terminator 3 went too far into the nudge-nudge, wink-wink, leaning-on-the-fourth-wall area. I just felt like half of the film was a not-so-subtle sendup of the whole franchise, only the joke never seemed to materialize.

Though it seems that Salvation took the lesson too much to heart, did a full 180 and wind-sprinted into "grimderp" territory, taking itself too seriously instead.

One area I feel Terminator 3 doesn't get enough, credit, though, is the endoskeleton visual effects. Compared to the goofy looking stuff from the Terminator 5 trailers, Terminator 3's CG-prosthetic work has held up remarkably well.

I won't argue against that. For all the dumb moves the script made, the CGI did some impressive stuff.

 

[Bad Jim]

Even so a lucky hit on could be devistating to something as small as a 14nm Broadwell core. So the T-1000 would naturally use something much smaller, as to avoid exposing it to any Hydrostatic shock

Is the T-1000 actually susceptible to hydrostatic shock though? It needs to be mostly solid to not fall over.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

Even so a lucky hit on could be devistating to something as small as a 14nm Broadwell core. So the T-1000 would naturally use something much smaller, as to avoid exposing it to any Hydrostatic shock

Is the T-1000 actually susceptible to hydrostatic shock though? It needs to be mostly solid to not fall over.

It is actually, as are humans. But it's proven when ever it's hit it stops the round and is stunned a bit. Non-canon sources cite that it's whole body make up it's component systems, but since it reacts to hydrostatic shock that's impossible. Due in no small part that such shocks would cause systemic damage to it's systems. While the entire body of it's polyalloy mimetic metal might have some processing power it'd have to be exceptionally simple to maintain any resilience. Which is actually proven in deleted scenes of it glitching in self preservation mode after being frozen in liquid nitrogen. While repair was possible, if all of it's storage and processor were it's body, then many of the hits it sustained would also cause such systemic damage to it's core functions, as well as it's data storage. In short if it didn't have static systems like a physical CPU, Solid State Memory, RAM, and sensors... Most damage could have a cumulative effect on it's data storage, in the form of corruption, along with reducing it's CPU efficiency with hit of any projectile. This is especially true since it hardens under intense impacts.

 

[JohnnyDelRay]

It wasn't that bad, respect to the OP opinion but I would still rank it as the worst. Not very memorable, and definitely not as adept at instilling the feeling of dread with the Terminator always hot on your heels, unstoppable force with only one goal in mind. The music and atmosphere of T1 and T2 is what helped them be borderline horror with how terrifying the Terminator was.

 

[Darks63]

It was an ok film with decent action including the chase scene towards the beginning. One of the things that bothered me, and i didn't notice this until someone pointed this out, was that the soundtrack is absent in alot of scenes. there were vast parts on the movie w/o a soundtrack or it was so turned down you couldn't even hear it.

Another issue was the bathroom fight between the T-X and Arnie-bot. That scene was just bad for the most part filled with really stupid stuff like the T-X crotch grab toss and Arnie doing the toilet pile driver on the T-X.

 

[thepyrethatburns]

Terminator 3 was the last watchable one.

 

[Phil the Nervous]

As an action flick it's okay. Fight scenes are neat and Arnie's there. As sci-fi though...

...Somehow, even though the story had time travel, artificial intelligence, future soldiers, and crazy robots the writers still ended up ripping off the conclusion to Prey.

I mean come on!

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

It was a pretty terrible outing; Salvation wasn't that much better but the Future War was at least a nice change of pace and it had a few scenes that were genuinely awesome (Connor getting his scars fighting an original T-800 in Classic Arnie shell) and funny (luring the Moto-Terminators with the Guns N Roses song he listened to in his youth) but the lack of the laser guns, which oddly T5 has, and the totally awful shit-the-bed ending nuked it for me.

The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day, like Alien and Aliens are the ruling power couple who's offspring are pale shadows of their ancestors.

 

[BoogieManFL]

Something I always thought was interesting is that John Connor may be a good leader, but if he wasn't there it would be someone else. In fact he was the leader because it wasn't someone else.

A way of thinking about it, Skynet is responsible for it's own nemesis. The amount of protection and training John Conner gets is because Skynet decided to develop time travel to go back in time and try and eliminate him several times. Essentially making John better with each assassination attempt.

If you try to think of it as not a paradox, the original pre-time travel John Connor had innate skill as a leader and was good enough to stalemate Skynet and it's machines. After all these temporal changes it then made for a better John Conner and linked him up with his mother and the T-800 101 that allowed him to accomplish even more. Along those lines I imagine that in time Skynet would cause it's own destruction.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Other things killed it for me as well:
-Despite supposedly being much more powerful, the TX never felt even close to as scary and intimidating to me as the T-1000 did.
-It traded in a lot of the dirt and grit of the previous movies for more cheesy jokes.

Yeah...it seems it's actually quite hard to be robotic and emotionless convincingly. The T1000 did it really well (except for wagging fingers at the end of T2), but the TX just seemed like bad acting.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Yeah...it seems it's actually quite hard to be robotic and emotionless convincingly. The T1000 did it really well (except for wagging fingers at the end of T2), but the TX just seemed like bad acting.

That's one of those little jokes that adds a charm to the movie since it's so well placed. Just like 'Say... that's a nice bike.' and '...I need a vaction.'

And eventhough it's a joke, it's still a threatening gesture. The fact that he simply wags his finger at Sarah shows just how miffed he is that she nearly got the better of him.