Poll: Testing a Bioshock Theory

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IamLEAM1983

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I can only speak from experience, but I think the reason why Western gaming in particular is so centered on America is fairly obvious. Like it or not, the USA happen to be a pretty strong cultural force in today's world, and that strength can provide some sort of drive for certain developers to explore things that feel close to home.

In a sense, if Quebec had been the theatre of some sense of Exceptionalism instead of America, and Canada had turned out to be toting big cultural guns - so to speak - we'd be seeing BioShocks about alternate Canadas. Swap that for any other province or country if you'd like, but I can't say that's something that surprises me.

Plus, I have a few friends across the border. It's not like I've taken a Government class, after all, or even an American History class before in my life. Even so, I knew about the World Fair that's used as the cradle for Columbia's origins, I knew about American Exceptionalism as being something that feels pretty natural. Shit, Columbia was brought to life in a period where Americans were actually starting to shape world politics as a whole: there's their involvement in the Philippines and, obviously, the Boxer Rebellions.

If my own country had gone through times as difficult as the War of Secession and emerged united from it, I'd be cheering too. The whole concept of America being awesome, and of that adoration being taken much too far by Comstock and his zealots doesn't surprise me one bit. Not everyone's a patriot, but every country in the world has its fair share of staunch defenders. It makes perfect sense for a developer to want to explore a "what-if" where that very same sense of power and capability goes way overboard and crosses into racism and xenophobia.

If there's one tiny thing about American culture that leaves me "besotted" to this day, it's how any American can consider its country's involvement in World War Two to be a game-changer. It took Churchill's blunter policies for Great Britain's allies to begin to consider mounting an assault on the European theatre, and the Americans in particular needed Pearl Harbour as a catalyst. I can't deny any country's contribution, of course, but I've always been a little perplexed by the popular image of the American army having been made up of a bunch of perennial ass-kickers that had been giving it to the Nazis since Day One.

Of course, I'm also saying this knowing that a lot of Americans and Canadians didn't beat around the bush for Chamberlain to take a decision. There's plenty of us who enlisted overseas a long time before the Allies really got the ball rolling.
 

Krantos

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I'm American, LOVED Infinite. Didn't much care for the other two, so, yeah.

I actually heard some people say that Infinite gave off an "'Murica, Fuck Yeah!" vibe. I don't know what they were on because I came away with a distinctly different impression of the game.
 

Legion

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Non-American, love the series.

Admittedly a lot of the philosophical and societal attitudes are somewhat alien to me, but they are not what draw me to the game.

Epic Fail 1977 said:
I didn't think/realise that 'besotted' was an unusual word. Maybe I'm getting old and it's gone out of fashion.
It doen't sound strange to me, but then again I seem to use "old English" as well.
 

Frission

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Non-American here and I liked the storyline of the first game. It was a very interesting twist on linearity.
Too bad Andrew Ryan is killed and replaced by Frank Fontaine, a two bit gangster.

I liked the second bioshock a little less and I'm currently playing Bioshock Infinite.

Krantos said:
I actually heard some people say that Infinite gave off an "'Murica, Fuck Yeah!" vibe. I don't know what they were on because I came away with a distinctly different impression of the game.
They seriously think it's pro-American? The whole video game is extraordinarily critical of the United States from what I've seen so far. It criticizes the zealotry, ignorance and racism that was and may still be present in the United States.

Then again, some members of the military loved "Apocalypse Now" and "Full metal Jacket", so maybe the message just flew right above them.
 

introverted_surd

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I'm not an American and I don't see this as a problem. A games job is to appeal to as many people as possible so it can sell. This means that they will always give you enough infomation to be able to enjoy the game or chances are, people will not by it.

As long as i'm given the context (and it fits the game) I have no problem being invloved in history, politics or anything else.
 

Phasmal

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Jun 10, 2011
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Non-American who was totally in love with the first (and to some extent second) Bioshock and who is still... processing the ending to Infinite.

I was completely hooked on Bioshock from the beginning, and I'm British. I don't think it has a particularly American feel to it at all (well, Infinite obviously does with the setting).
 

zumbledum

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well i think you will get a bit more out of the references if you know about that time era. Being English myself when i entered the
order of the raven and saw that statue of john wilkes booth i just figured he was another of the founding fathers like the others we see at the start , it was only after listening to the recording in the area then seeing the picture of Lincoln getting shot that the penny dropped, i would imagine a lot of non Americans wont get that bit for an example.
 

DrunkOnEstus

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May 11, 2012
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Besotted American (thank you again, Nouw). I'm pretty sure that it's unrelated. Every country or culture that constantly shifts or is discovering how to run their democracy should find it intriguing. I haven't played Infinite yet, but I love how Bioshock 1 and 2 together give a warning that the answer is not an extreme in either the left or right direction, but to find the balance and still be excellent to each other. And that someone has to "clean the toilets".

I'm pretty sure that's universal stuff, the particular setting is irrelevant as other countries get mad exposure to American culture. Hell, the first time I saw Dude, Where's My Car? was in Paris.