Poll: Texas Students to be monitored with microchips.

[Arluza]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

School students who are under the age of 18 do not count as citizens and do not get rights given to adults. This is how some justify it.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

Well prospective rules shouldn't be abandoned because some people can't behave properly and will be immature about it. There's always people who are irrational and cause trouble for no good reason. They simply need to be taught it isn't acceptable, not kowtowed to.

But being treated as a criminal when you are not one is a good reason to get pissed, and school need to be taught that is is not acceptable. As I can not vote being a total dick until they kick me out of class or stop treating me as a criminal just sounds like a fantastic idea.

 

[DANEgerous]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

School students who are under the age of 18 do not count as citizens and do not get rights given to adults. This is how some justify it.

Google fuckn use that shit
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

To become a citizen at birth, you must:

Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements

 

[Something Amyss]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

Students have privacy? When did that happen?

 

[Meatspinner]

When ever I feel like European paternalism is getting out of hand I see one of these articles.

Thank you America... I guess

 

[DANEgerous]

No this is a hideous idea it is simply an unacceptable invasion of privacy.

Students have privacy? When did that happen?

Never, well at lest not from the time video cameras became available but then again that does not mean they should not fight to the small amount they have left or to be honest get more.

 

[Burst6]

So apparently they want to use this for more accurate attendance. Weird, in my high school we fixed this with pretty simple paperwork. People signed in if they needed to go to the nurses office or some other department and they used an online program to pull the attendance together. Teachers took attendance at the start of class and every class had bathroom passes.

That seems pretty waterproof to me. What are these chips supposed to accomplish that is worth the expense?

 

[AngryMongoose]

Yup, because thankfully we live in a world where no teachers are dogmatic, or prone to anger, or overreaction. Where every single person who becomes a teacher deals with students in a fair and even handed way. Where none of them would dare use such information for anything other than the safety and well being of their students. Where no teachers are murderers, or rapist; prone to exploiting children because it's easier to find them in a vulnerable position.


:/

It's strange; even in Cory Doctorow's somewhat authoritarian-dystopian book Little-Brother, the schools still aren't allowed to microchip students, instead bypassing laws by microchiping things such as Library Books.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

Well prospective rules shouldn't be abandoned because some people can't behave properly and will be immature about it. There's always people who are irrational and cause trouble for no good reason. They simply need to be taught it isn't acceptable, not kowtowed to.

But being treated as a criminal when you are not one is a good reason to get pissed, and school need to be taught that is is not acceptable.

It isn't treating them like criminals. It shouldn't affect them at all, they're at school anyway, their location ought to be known regardless. There is nothing sensitive about their location at school.

As I can not vote being a total dick until they kick me out of class or stop treating me as a criminal just sounds like a fantastic idea.

It sounds immature, pointless, and selfish. People like that don't deserve an education.

Awesome as long as it stops I win, kick me out to the school it accomplishes my goal.

But no you're right you're right being like a human is a very very selfish thing to want. I mean I should track your movements with and RFID you would be immature not to allow this.

 

[BishopofAges]

After reading more points of view here and arguements from both sides I have to ask this, full on and out to everyone in this thread:

What kind of 'private' activity are you people OK with your kids doing?

You all seem intent on thinking of yourselves when it comes to this subject, and I can say for sure that the only time I needed privacy on campus was to A) Use the Restroom (obvious on the tracking thing) B) Conduct mischief (should usually be stopped anyway) or C) Meet with others to have a private conversation (of which the RFID chip cannot HEAR, mind you)

This thing cannot HEAR, SPEAK, FEEL, TASTE, or any of the human senses, all it does for them is tell them you went to room 215 when you were supposed to or not. Kids don't really have private lives in school, unless it comes to relationships or conversation. Of which I don't believe the school will pull you into the security guard's office and ask "hey! You dating that girl from the other class or not?!"

edit: you all also act like these ID cards will be with them both the whole time they are in school and out, as well as the rest of their life, which it is not.

 

[Frozen Fox]

What a waste of money, who care if we can put more kids in their seats we still are not teaching them correctly

Who cares if we're teaching them correctly if no one shows up.

still have to get it in order. A mandatory meting with 10 million people in attendance that teaches nothing is still worse than an non-mandatory meting with one single person in attendance that does teach something

Good thing then that schools do actually teach something

Not very well to be honest but that is debatable I suppose, what is not debatable however is that if you need to track you kids so close you need to use what more or less amounts GPS to get them in to a classroom it does not matter if they are in the classroom they are not paying attention. In fact they are likely pissed I would be, i would in fact be so pissed I make smart ass comments and distract all the other kids thus lowing the quality of education.

I even feel a far grater urge to do this as I am being treated as a criminal, my school is run by dicks that treat me as a criminal then fine I will may as well act like a criminal.

Well prospective rules shouldn't be abandoned because some people can't behave properly and will be immature about it. There's always people who are irrational and cause trouble for no good reason. They simply need to be taught it isn't acceptable, not kowtowed to.

But being treated as a criminal when you are not one is a good reason to get pissed, and school need to be taught that is is not acceptable.

It isn't treating them like criminals. It shouldn't affect them at all, they're at school anyway, their location ought to be known regardless. There is nothing sensitive about their location at school.

As I can not vote being a total dick until they kick me out of class or stop treating me as a criminal just sounds like a fantastic idea.

It sounds immature, pointless, and selfish. People like that don't deserve an education.

Awesome as long as it stops I win, kick me out to the school it accomplishes my goal.

Of being uneducated? Why am I not surprised that you'd want to avoid an education?

But no you're right you're right being like a human is a very very selfish thing to want. I mean I should track your movements with and RFID you would be immature not to allow this.

Is there a particular reason you're ignoring my actual argument as to why it's okay? You know, where I point out that since they're at school anyway knowing where they are at a given time is a valid thing? As opposed to my life where there's no reason to be tracking me. I wouldn't give a damn if when I went to university I had to wear some kind of ID, though that would be stupid since there's no particular reason to care where I am.

How does them being at school change anything? Being tracked is being tracked. If i went to a university that required me to use an ID that tracked my movements I would demand a refund an never return, because it is stupid and they have no reason to care where I am.

 

[Heronblade]

So how quick before the shit security of some two bit private agency leaks the personal information of children on the internet? I always love blind faith in the government picked agencies people have, especially in two years when the contract goes to the lowest bidder to save a few hundred bucks.

What personal information? How long on average students take to get from class to class? Or maybe how often a particular student plays hooky?

Ooh, scary stalker material there.

Yes the ID transmitter number for individual students would be very scary stalker material, since you know they could use it to track that individual on their way home or even around school. Couple that with finding out a student always plays hooky on Monday, or maybe that they always go to the girls bathroom at 9:20am in the morning.

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to not see the dangers of broadcasting the movement and location of school children.

You seem to be confusing these things with something along the lines of a GPS transponder. RFID chips don't broadcast anything at all, they merely allow an EMF field to read embedded data. The school's system would merely be able to tell when a student passes by specific access points with a sensor preinstalled, IE, when they pass in or out of a room.

Someone attempting to track a student's specific movements with the things would have to tag along from maybe five feet away while lugging a piece of heavy equipment. Somehow I think that would be a bit less effective than simply watching them.

How does them being at school change anything? Being tracked is being tracked. If i went to a university that required me to use an ID that tracked my movements I would demand a refund an never return, because it is stupid and they have no reason to care where I am.

Your university is not legally and ethically obligated to keep track of its students and ensure their safety. You are an adult, and presumably are responsible for your own ass.

Your typical K-12 school, on the other hand, is responsible for exactly that, they have an obligation to keep track of those who attend it. The system in the OP is at least in theory merely somewhat more effective at that job than others already in place.

Let me put it this way, let's say you were to hire a babysitter for your children, and go out and enjoy yourself. When you return, the kids are nowhere in sight, and the babysitter isn't doing anything to find them. Are you going to be fine with this situation? After all, your kids didn't have their right to privacy violated by the babysitter keeping track of them.

 

[neonsword13-ops]

Aaaaaand...all the kid has to do is take the ID badge off, and leave it in the bathroom. Wow....such an effective means of tracking people.

That would mean... a seven and a half hour shit.

Oh my.

I would feel sorry for the kid getting written up for that.

OT: Couldn't you just leave it in classroom and dabble about? Then when it's time for the next period, just pick up the id and throw it in the next class?

Seems like a broken system to me.

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

my god...MEGADETH was right!!!

 

[NiPah]

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You seem to be confusing these things with something along the lines of a GPS transponder. RFID chips don't broadcast anything at all, they merely allow an EMF field to read embedded data. The school's system would merely be able to tell when a student passes by specific access points with a sensor preinstalled, IE, when they pass in or out of a room.

Someone attempting to track a student's specific movements with the things would have to tag along from maybe five feet away while lugging a piece of heavy equipment. Somehow I think that would be a bit less effective than simply watching them.

They do, by their name they are transmitting a radio frequency, the EMF field is just another name for the field of radio waves being sent out passively by the device. These are pocket based RFID cards meaning that they will have a pretty high powered signal to talk with the receivers. Also those "bulky receivers" are about 400$, smaller then a cell phone, and can pick up a signal from about 600 feet away outside or 250 inside. They also have most costly versions that put the signal on a GPS device, and thats just the civilian model.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

seeing as your at school anyways, and it is a public government run facility, i don't see the problem...if anything they could have an adult to follow around all the students all day if they wanted to, but instead they are just putting a small tracker on you just for a location, that's it, you could be running ass naked through the halls and they wouldn't know by the tracker.

hell most cell phones these days already do that..

oh gosh, if results come out for this, can't wait to LOL at all the slackers who go out to skip periods or take smoke/drink breaks out back and get caught for it.