Poll: That old question Fantasy or Sci fi

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As someone who loves reading all the technical information of all the equipment, I frown upon the "It's magic, I don't have to explain" cop-out. Games like Planescape Torment have interesting magic items too, but I still prefer technical descriptions that sounds plausible in this universe.

Gameplaywise, running at and hacking something with a sword is more awkward than shooting multiple times.
 

CrazyGirl17

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...Can't I like both? No? Well fine, that's your opinion. I genuinely like both Sci-Fi and Fantasy, and really can't pick one or the other...
 

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QuenkerKing said:
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Personally I prefer Fantasy because with Fantasy, you usually get to see more of the world the story is set in. Star Wars for example is guilty of this crime, all the planets have only one kind of environment(Tatooine:Desert Dagobah:Swamp Hoth:Tundra Naboo:huge grassy field), just looking at our own planet shows this is unrealistic, because we have a lot of different environments. With Fantasy you get to see all the diverse varied aspects of the world, not just one kind.
Listen, if you are going to talk about star wars, understand the planets and climates and all that.

Not all of the planets are like that for christs sake.

They go through seasons and all. Did you expect to see a planet for a full year? No?

Naboo is like earth. It has every type of season and climate.

So is Correllia.

So is endor.

Tat/Hoth/Dag are the exceptions.

Mustafar is a dying planet, it used to be like earth too.

So, before you accuse a certain series of being "One way" do some research, mmkay?

OT, I prefer sci-fi. Why? Because I don't like those damn knife ears.
Oh Christ a Star Wars Geek!

I do not care what you and your friends have cooked up, concerning Star Wars background. It is pretty obvious that the planet where they go at the end of the 2nd film is a desert everywhere (Geonosis I think), and that Kamino is a massive ocean. So how about you research it.
Yeah maybe some have seasons, but they were NOT SUGGESTED IN THE FILMS, which is where all the important cannon stuff happens, not the spin off bullshit. That is where I get my knowledge of the franchise from THE FILMS. So no I wont do any research on it thank you very much. You may want to read whole books on Star Wars trivia and side stories etc. but I don't. So dont accuse me of not being knowledgeable about Star Wars when you yourself are wrong.

No I do not dislike spin off's but I do dislike them being used in an argument against someone, who has actually seen the main thing.
You refuse to research the topic at hand and have the audacity to tell him to research Kamino. Are you unaware that Naboo is in the films you later profess to love? Do you honestly think that your knowledge of the subject surpasses QuenkerKing's? By the Force, his name is a reference to a small, armored rodent in the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

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I used to bull's-eye poorly constructed arguments in my T-16 back home.
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QuenkerKing said:
Why weren't they suggested in the films...oh...I don't know...Did you really want them to be on every planet for a full year seeing all the seasons?

If you didn't care about what us Star Wars Geeks have cooked up, don't accuse us for being a certain way.

So, take the pole from out of your ass and move on and don't touch star wars again with your ignorant brain.
They could for all I know have one season and I have seen the films, it doesn't matter what I WANT it is what I am SHOWN. And I am shown ONE season.

I did not accuse you of anything accept being wrong. And you are very very wrong as I mentioned two other single environment planets.

I love Star Wars (the films that is) especially Bobba Fett, I am not ignorant because I just proved you wrong on something you profess to be a fan of. If anything you are the ignorant one here, you are also childish because when confronted with a superior riposte to your accusation, you can only back up your point with an insult.

I rest my case.
The hypocrisy in this post is staggering. You accuse him of insulting you personally when he can't match your "superior riposte" after you've already attacked him personally. Are you familiar with logical fallacies? If not, I'd suggest following this link:
Wait a second HAHAHA, look at the picture you posted then look at the massive list of made up planets or whatever it is, you posted. I hope you appreciate massive the irony here.

To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?

It is stupid of him to tell me to get my facts right, when he is wrong. If you don't like that tough. So.... yeah that was a 'poorly constructed argument' for sure.

You take Star Wars too seriously, I suggest you find a better use of your time. Although your little altered quotes are mildly amusing. If a bit pathetic and cringe worthy.
I thought of doing one for you, but I don't want to go down to your level.

Yes people like you and him annoy me, you think that just because someone who has seen the f*cking films says something that does not fit in with some Star Wars comic you have read, it is ok to rant at them because they are "wrong". So please don't try and de-construct arguments when you can barley make one with any solid grounds or reasonable accusations yourself.

On a more civil note that is fine if you enjoy sci fi and fantasy, even mixed together. That is personally not my preference at all. Because I generally like them to be separate, and have never found an example of said combination, that I have enjoyed.
 

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Just for fun, I'll actually attempt to choose one of the two, though this will be difficult, since I love both for completely different reasons, so comparing them is both un-pedestrian and subjective.

I like scifi and all of its versions (science fantasy (Star Wars (original trilogy, not prequels)),speculative fiction, and hard science fiction (I found the Halo books to be this)), mainly for its attempt (minus the first version I said) to say "what is possible?" then "how can we make a story about this?". While Fantasy tends to be "what is an interesting scenario?" then "how can this be plausible?". Generally hard science fiction and "hard" fantasy (I'd say Elder Scrolls and Lord of the Rings are in this category) tends to be the former, while "soft" scifi and "high" fantasy tends to be the latter.

Because of this, I'd say I like science fiction better, as science fiction tends to be harder than fantasy is (overall), and speculative fiction (which is generally scifi, or at least scifi-related) can have interesting political messages.
 

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I just put everything under "speculative fiction" if it has a setting outside of our reality construct.

trying to pigeon hole everything into some odd fantasy/sci-fi binary never made sense to me because there's hundreds of sub-genres and hybrids.
 

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verdant monkai said:
Wait a second HAHAHA, look at the picture you posted then look at the massive list of made up planets or whatever it is, you posted. I hope you appreciate massive the irony here.

To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?

It is stupid of him to tell me to get my facts right, when he is wrong. If you don't like that tough. So.... yeah that was a 'poorly constructed argument' for sure.

You take Star Wars too seriously, I suggest you find a better use of your time. Although your little altered quotes are mildly amusing. If a bit pathetic and cringe worthy.
I thought of doing one for you, but I don't want to go down to your level.

Yes people like you and him annoy me, you think that just because someone who has seen the f*cking films says something that does not fit in with some Star Wars comic you have read, it is ok to rant at them because they are "wrong". So please don't try and de-construct arguments when you can barley make one with any solid grounds or reasonable accusations yourself.

On a more civil note that is fine if you enjoy sci fi and fantasy, even mixed together. That is personally not my preference at all. Because I generally like them to be separate, and have never found an example of said combination, that I have enjoyed.
Why thank you. It did take some time to type that. I'm so glad you appreciated it. And yes, I'm fully aware of the irony. I prefaced my reply with that image to highlight the absurdity of my post because I am nothing if not self-deprecating. I greatly enjoy irony in its every form. Besides, the picture was meant to depict me.

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If anything you are the ignorant one here, you are also childish because when confronted with a superior riposte to your accusation, you can only back up your point with an insult.

I rest my case.
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To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?
Is it my turn to laugh that you've yet to properly refute a single thing I've said? I must give you props, though. The first thing one learns when debating is that the best defense is a good offense. So, rather than defend your claims or attempt to explain the hypocrisy you've shown in your posts, you attack your false mental image of me. Bravo. Pointless though it may be to reply, I quite enjoy this sort of thing. Now, on to your argument, or lack thereof.

Ah, the old Get A Life Defense, so commonly used by those who are unable to make even the most rudimentary of arguments. This is often paired with a personal attack, to divert attention from the user's utter lack of support for his position. This defense is a misnomer, as it is, in fact, no defense, to which those who've slung it at skilled competitive multiplayer gamers can attest. Clearly, the one who actually knows what he's doing should just get a life, as no one with a life could possibly best the user of the Get A Life Defense. I do not have a Vitamin D deficiency, nor do I have a toy lightsaber. What I do have are friends, a job, college classes, and a beautiful girlfriend. Am I doing it right? Do I have a life? After all, you are obviously qualified to determine whether I do or not, since you've posted 20 times more than I have, despite joining more than 7 months after me.

I like how you claim to know what I think. Clearly, you are a telepathic mutant.



Regarding your claim that you've said something that doesn't fit in with some comic I've read, would it surprise you to discover that your claim doesn't fit with the movies themselves? QuenkerKing was not wrong. Not every planet had but one biome. Even discounting the Extended Universe, Naboo clearly had more than biome. Ignoring the view from space, which showed it to look much like Earth, we saw swamps, plains, and seas. Thus, Naboo could not be classified as the swamp planet, plains planet, or ocean planet. Your claim was nearly correct, but, alas, its absolute nature rendered it incorrect. If you'd simply admit to exaggerating, this would be over. Of course, that would mean admitting that your claim was incorrect.

Please excuse the following pedantic episode. 'Barley' is a type of grain, whereas 'barely' is an adverb. I presume your error was merely a typo. Regardless, thank you for your time and understanding.

I would say I do, in fact, know how to deconstruct an argument. If pointing out logical fallacies and factual inaccuracies doesn't constitute deconstructing an argument, what does? Also, I would say that I know how to formulate an argument. Mine is this: the depictions of Naboo's multiple biomes in Star Wars Episodes I and II invalidate your claim that every planet in Star Wars has but one type of environment, even excluding those depicted in the Expanded Universe.

As for the mixing of sci-fi and fantasy, I generally find the hardest sci-fi novels to be little more than science papers expanded to make books. I don't enjoy the works of authors whose skill at telling a story within their medium is inferior to their skills at their chosen fields. A good physicist, astronomer, mathematician, biologist, linguist, or whatnot may be good at what he does but that doesn't mean he's a good novelist. Regarding fantasy, I tend to dislike the lack of realism. Or, rather, the implications of very low technology. For example, the knight in shining armor urinates and defecates in said armor. Nearly everyone in a fantasy setting is likely to smell awful, due to having abominable hygiene.

I'm fond of mythology, magic, larger-than-life characters, and grand, sweeping tales of heroism and sacrifice. I also enjoy more personal tales of betrayal and vengeance, mystery and romance, action and adventure. I want my knights in shining armor to wield laser swords and wear power armor when they fight undead robot-dragons in space. Is that too much to ask?
 

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If I weren't able to have both...I'd guess I'd rather take fantasy. Mostly because it is the main genre of the roleplays I do and magic means I can usually get more than a little crazy; I try to emulate Mr Welch on a regular basis
 

verdant monkai

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Couldn't be asked reading any of that, You are obviously just insecure.

And with waay to much time on your hands btw, look at that beast you just wrote to try and justify someone else's argument about Star Wars.
Way I see it you are a desperately sad Star Wars nerd, post all the pop culture memes you want it does not win the argument. Or make my argument that he was wrong any less valid.

Plus it is about Star Wars it is a made up world so grow up.
 

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verdant monkai said:
To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?
Congratulations, you are now the most deplorable person in this thread. Dismissing your opponent's argument under the speculative supposition that they don't get out as much as you do was getting old 10 years ago. I don't even care about what the argument was, saying something like that on a GAMING FORUM is grounds for digging yourself into one of the deepest holes imaginable.

On-topic: I don't really care much whether something is fantasy or sci-fi either way as long as it's the type that I like. Judging by pure concept, I'd have to say I find sci-fi more interesting just because the future is more interesting than the pseudo-past.

I'm still waiting for a good hybrid work with massive space battles fueled by magic. Futuristic fantasy, if you will. Maybe something set in the Spelljammer universe. That'd be interesting.
Oh come on he is trying to prove me wrong about Star Wars and I have just stopped giving a sh*t, take a look at the later posts. If he is willing to type behemoths about made up planets to justify an argument made by another star wars fan what can you do? apart from question if he is making good use of his time.......Wait I know fuck this thread.
 
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Pfft.... Neither, I prefer steampunk bitchesssss.

Unless of course that's either a sub category of fantasy or Sci fi.

Though if push came to shove and I had to choose between the two then I prefer JRPG fantasy then Tolkien rip off fantasy and sci fi is just too nerdy for me.
 

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As odd as this sounds, fantasy usually feels more grounded and familiar to me.

With sci-fi, everyone else has common working knowledge of (and generally access to) future technology, which is basically just sci-fi's version of magic. That often leaves me feeling somewhat disconnected when I'm dropped into this huge universe where every random character probably took calculus in the 2nd grade and the power of future technologies means everybody except me is connected to each other with plenty of common understandings that I am not automatically privy to.

So it often feels like my understanding of the world is constantly dependent on how much other characters will bother to stop and explain it, leaving me feeling like an outsider. In fantasy, I tend to feel much more confident in how the world works and if something magical happens then there's a good chance it's just as much of a learning experience for other characters as it is for me.

I also tend to prefer the visuals of fantasy more than sci-fi. I'm not a big fan of the blue and gray everywhere nor the structure and architecture of robots and ships and future machines.

I do enjoy both, but in general I like the concept of fantasy better.
 

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solemnwar said:
Sci-fi is a subgenre of fantasy...
But I prefer "traditional" fantasy more so than sci-fi.
Hate to burst your bubble but Sci-Fi is a subgenre of speculative fiction
 

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verdant monkai said:
Couldn't be asked reading any of that, You are obviously just insecure.

And with waay to much time on your hands btw, look at that beast you just wrote to try and justify someone else's argument about Star Wars.
Way I see it you are a desperately sad Star Wars nerd, post all the pop culture memes you want it does not win the argument. Or make my argument that he was wrong any less valid.

Plus it is about Star Wars it is a made up world so grow up.
verdant monkai said:
poiumty said:
verdant monkai said:
To people like you I just have to respond, GET A LIFE. You must have spent at least a quarter of an hour on that, list and the quotes. Get rid of your toy light sabre and get some vitamin D this weekend huh?
Congratulations, you are now the most deplorable person in this thread. Dismissing your opponent's argument under the speculative supposition that they don't get out as much as you do was getting old 10 years ago. I don't even care about what the argument was, saying something like that on a GAMING FORUM is grounds for digging yourself into one of the deepest holes imaginable.
Oh come on he is trying to prove me wrong about Star Wars and I have just stopped giving a sh*t, take a look at the later posts. If he is willing to type behemoths about made up planets to justify an argument made by another star wars fan what can you do? apart from question if he is making good use of his time.......Wait I know fuck this thread.
Oh, come on, verdant monkai. You're not even going to try? Just a bit? For me? What if I say, "Pretty please with a cherry on top?" Well, I suppose I should thank you for concisely making my point for me. Funny thing is that the last two paragraphs were on topic. Thank you for your time.

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On-topic: I don't really care much whether something is fantasy or sci-fi either way as long as it's the type that I like. Judging by pure concept, I'd have to say I find sci-fi more interesting just because the future is more interesting than the pseudo-past.

I'm still waiting for a good hybrid work with massive space battles fueled by magic. Futuristic fantasy, if you will. Maybe something set in the Spelljammer universe. That'd be interesting.
That sounds pretty cool. What is this Spelljammer of which you speak?
 

verdant monkai

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Oh, come on, verdant monkai. You're not even going to try? Just a bit? For me? What if I say, "Pretty please with a cherry on top?"
Sniff Sniff Nooo you made me cwy...
Oh ok then since you asked nicely, I know I said I didn't want to go down to your level but sigh here it is.
Know that scene from attack of the clones when they chase that bounty hunter into a bar? Course you do! Now imagine I am Obiwan and you are the drug dealer.

You: Wanna argue about Star Wars?

Me: You dont want to argue about Star Wars.

You: Ehheehh I don't wanna argue about Star Wars.

Me: You want to go home and rethink your life.

You: I wanna go ho.. Wait no I don't I Wanna argue about Star Wars.

Satisfied?

Look here matey this argument is not worth either of our time. Lets agree that we both love Star Wars, battle droids are funny and :-

That guy was wrong when he said those three planets were, the only single environment planets there are more.

I over reacted, but I am not as interested, and I don't know or care about Star Wars as much as you two.

And you are officially the guy in the image you posted.

So lets put this behind us ok?
 

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poiumty said:
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That sounds pretty cool. What is this Spelljammer of which you speak?
Just this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelljammer
I looked it up on Wikipedia this morning. Seems pretty cool. I'm not a tabletop gamer but I'd be interested in a video game in that setting. Too bad only one's been made.

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Oh, come on, verdant monkai. You're not even going to try? Just a bit? For me? What if I say, "Pretty please with a cherry on top?"
Sniff Sniff Nooo you made me cwy...
Oh ok then since you asked nicely, I know I said I didn't want to go down to your level but sigh here it is.
Know that scene from attack of the clones when they chase that bounty hunter into a bar? Course you do! Now imagine I am Obiwan and you are the drug dealer.

You: Wanna argue about Star Wars?

Me: You dont want to argue about Star Wars.

You: Ehheehh I don't wanna argue about Star Wars.

Me: You want to go home and rethink your life.

You: I wanna go ho.. Wait no I don't I Wanna argue about Star Wars.

Satisfied?

Look here matey this argument is not worth either of our time. Lets agree that we both love Star Wars, battle droids are funny and :-

That guy was wrong when he said those three planets were, the only single environment planets there are more.

I over reacted, but I am not as interested, and I don't know or care about Star Wars as much as you two.

And you are officially the guy in the image you posted.

So lets put this behind us ok?
First, thanks for humoring me. His statement that Tatooine, Hoth, and Dagobah were the exceptions to the rule that the planets were earth-like was incorrect. However, so was your assertion that each planet had but one environment.

I'm OK with being the guy in the picture for this conversation, since I don't usually bother with this sort of thing. I don't have enough free time to do this often, anyway. That said, I'm willing to accept your gracious extension of the olive branch and put this argument behind us.

Regarding sci-fi and fantasy, I like it when sci-fi has fantastical elements. Mass Effect is one such example. Its science is usually pretty hard but it occasionally violates the laws of physics. I let it slide because it gives me a chance to use magic in space.
 

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Yeesh, pick one? Really? I'm a huge fan of both genres but I have a tendency towards Fantasy. I was reading/playing Fantasy from a very early age but it took a few years extra for me to get in to Sci-Fi.
 

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First, thanks for humoring me. His statement that Tatooine, Hoth, and Dagobah were the exceptions to the rule that the planets were earth-like was incorrect. However, so was your assertion that each planet had but one environment.

I'm OK with being the guy in the picture for this conversation, since I don't usually bother with this sort of thing. I don't have enough free time to do this often, anyway. That said, I'm willing to accept your gracious extension of the olive branch and put this argument behind us.

Regarding sci-fi and fantasy, I like it when sci-fi has fantastical elements. Mass Effect is one such example. Its science is usually pretty hard but it occasionally violates the laws of physics. I let it slide because it gives me a chance to use magic in space.
No problem I would much rather be friends than argue, my apologies for saying you have no life, that was a rude assumption.
As for the planets I accept your judgement on them.

As for Sci fi / fantasy, I have never found a good example of it. I saw this thing called Star Grunt once (it was as bad as it sounds) and I vaguely remember others but they to the best of my knowledge were not brilliant. Could you provide some example you have enjoyed?