Poll: The Biggest Shocker in Force Awakens

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Silentpony said:
Its still totally gonna' be Luke. They need to have a cheap 'feels' moment and its either that or killing R2D2. And Luke is the easier, more plot-centric target.
I don't know why it qualifies as "cheap". The old cast HAS to die or be marginalized in order for the new cast to be able to come into their own. You can't have them hanging around over-shadowing everything. I don't think anyone wants this to turn into The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel: Star Wars Edition.
 

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Updated: I did not include Luke because there's no way in hell they hide the big hero in the original series for most of a movie only to kill them off, although that would be a good twist with the girl being revealed as his daughter and she loses her hand to be replaced with a metal one in keeping with family traditions. But seriously, even if he does die, they're going all Obi-wan with his ghost.
There's no way they're going to kill Luke, the probably Over Powered last Jedi who's very presence complicates Jedi vs. Sith fights, but there's a chance their going to drag Lando out of Rebels and kill the black guy.

Ok.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Its cheap because the entire reason they tapped Ford and Hamill was to add legitimacy to the movie. Bait, for lack of a better term, for the more...puritanical Star Wars fans. Ticket sales.

They could have just as easily written a Star Wars movie without Han or Luke. Force knows there are like 50,000+ other stories they could have done from the expanded universe alone. KOTOR springs to mind.
But nope. Luke and Han, buy our tickets monkey man!
 

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Biggest shock is going to be when Sith master Jar Jar Binks is killed. In reality it's going to be Han. Ford is the oldest original lead cast member and at 73 there is a finite time that he can play an action role. He will be 76 when the last movie is filmed.
 

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Its cheap because the entire reason they tapped Ford and Hamill was to add legitimacy to the movie. Bait, for lack of a better term, for the more...puritanical Star Wars fans. Ticket sales.

They could have just as easily written a Star Wars movie without Han or Luke. Force knows there are like 50,000+ other stories they could have done from the expanded universe alone. KOTOR springs to mind.

But nope. Luke and Han, buy our tickets monkey man!
Well of course. Star Wars is a very expensive tentpole film. Disney didn't pay billions for the IP to make shoe-string budget low profile passion projects and dump them into the wilderness of February. They bought it to pack theaters and calcify their grip on the 18-39 year old male demographic. As such, they need to maximize revenue.

As we had some joker recently doing his goddam best to trash all the goodwill the IP generated in the 70s, 80s and early 90s, it was of paramount importance to Disney to ensure these new films began with a stamp of legitimacy. Casting Hamill, Ford and Fisher says "there ARE your father's Star Wars films". It ties them to the original trilogy. It helps alleviate fears they're going to foist another Jar-Jar on the viewing public.

I'm still not grasping in what capacity it qualifies as 'cheap'. Perhaps you can elaborate on that?
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
I should clarify by cheap I don't mean in-expensive, I mean cynical and boldly-transparent. Adding Luke wasn't to enhance the plot, it was to sell tickets. Like Abrams wasn't interested in making a good Star Wars movie, he wants a profitable Star Wars movie, like the new Trilogy. It being a good movie is moot as long as it makes money.
Its cynical.

It'd be like if the FNAF movie people cast Markiplier as the security guard. You know it wasn't because it'd add to the plot or make it a better movie, but because of the cash he'd bring in.
 

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Silentpony said:
I should clarify by cheap I don't mean in-expensive, I mean cynical and boldly-transparent.
No no, I know how you were employing it. I'm just not sure how it qualifies.

Silentpony said:
Adding Luke wasn't to enhance the plot, it was to sell tickets. Like Abrams wasn't interested in making a good Star Wars movie, he wants a profitable Star Wars movie, like the new Trilogy. It being a good movie is moot as long as it makes money.
Those are some pretty crazy conclusions to jump to, particularly in advance of actually viewing the film.

Notably, it is also DISNEY that wants a profitable Star Wars movie. Abrams, I imagine, would very much prefer it was recognized as good, rather than simply profitable, as he's not exactly hurting for work and would probably prefer accolades at this stage of his career.

Silentpony said:
It'd be like if the FNAF movie people cast Markiplier as the security guard. You know it wasn't because it'd add to the plot or make it a better movie, but because of the cash he'd bring in.
I guess I'm not clear on why including cast members from the original trilogy is, by default, a decision that "does not add to the plot or make a better movie". What evidence are you basing this conclusion on?
 

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Luke seems most likely, as I don't think Mark Hamill has his heart really in it, and having a big bad ass Jedi who can supposedly go man to man with any Inquisitor kind of steals the new cast's thunder.
Luke is like, 68. If New Hope's Obi-Wan is any indication, aging human Jedi don't exactly get more spry.
What about Count Dooku? Chris Lee was like 80 when he fenced off both young Anakin and young Obi Wan. And he faced Yoda like 5 minutes later.
Unless this is supposed to be a Sith perk?
 

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I assumed that was a flashback. So probably some character we never meet.
 

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Thoughts...

- Harrison Ford feels like he's never really liked being in Star Wars. He apparently took some convincing to come back for Empire and even more to come back for Return of the Jedi because he thought his story had been told after the first movie - this is apparently why they encased him in carbonite at the end of Empire, so they could kill him off if he didn't want to come back for the next film. These things considered I would say he is perhaps the most likely of the existing heroes to get toasted.

- Are non-jedi burned on pyres? I thought only Jedi got burned on pyres. If this is the case it seems to narrow the options - Leia, Luke (ruled out), one of the two new force-sensitive characters the adverts seem to be introducing, or perhaps the bad guy who may be redeemed by the end.

Which leads me to...

- I think it'll be one of these two who were are getting introduced to in the trailers, if it must be someone. I think it's more likely to be the girl, this feeling being a hunch'y mix of her apparent personality type - a loner who comes in and one suspects might easily go out in a blaze of self-sacrificing glory - and about the value of the two characters - a reformed stormtrooper or a grudging loner.

Actually, if we look at the way the force seems to develop in people, it is the edgy ones who tend to go bad. Anakin is an obvious example, but how about we go off on a bit of a tangent and look at your counterpoint in Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy - Rosh - who either goes light or dark depending on your own decisions. At the start of the game he is an edgy, eager to please mess.

I'm not sure. She just seems a bit more brooding and a bit more edgy. Black guy just seems to hyperventilate an awful lot.
 

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sky pies said:
Thoughts...

- Harrison Ford feels like he's never really liked being in Star Wars. He apparently took some convincing to come back for Empire and even more to come back for Return of the Jedi because he thought his story had been told after the first movie - this is apparently why they encased him in carbonite at the end of Empire, so they could kill him off if he didn't want to come back for the next film. These things considered I would say he is perhaps the most likely of the existing heroes to get toasted.

- Are non-jedi burned on pyres? I thought only Jedi got burned on pyres. If this is the case it seems to narrow the options - Leia, Luke (ruled out), one of the two new force-sensitive characters the adverts seem to be introducing, or perhaps the bad guy who may be redeemed by the end.

Which leads me to...

- I think it'll be one of these two who were are getting introduced to in the trailers, if it must be someone. I think it's more likely to be the girl, this feeling being a hunch'y mix of her apparent personality type - a loner who comes in and one suspects might easily go out in a blaze of self-sacrificing glory - and about the value of the two characters - a reformed stormtrooper or a grudging loner.

Actually, if we look at the way the force seems to develop in people, it is the edgy ones who tend to go bad. Anakin is an obvious example, but how about we go off on a bit of a tangent and look at your counterpoint in Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy - Rosh - who either goes light or dark depending on your own decisions. At the start of the game he is an edgy, eager to please mess.

I'm not sure. She just seems a bit more brooding and a bit more edgy. Black guy just seems to hyperventilate an awful lot.
Rosh goes dark side no matter what. The only choice is if you do the right thing and fall to the dark side to kill him or if you are terrible enough to spare him. Either way he turns good. If you stab him Kyle tells him he's a true Jedi as he dies IIRC
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
If elderly Luke Skywalker is flipping around and screaming ala Yoda/The Emperor in the prequel films, I will eat a hat. A fancy hat. With sequins.
I hated that so much. Yoda and the Emperor in the original are so powerful in the force they don't need ligthsabers.

I didn't mind Dooku so much, because Christopher Lee managed to make his look like effortless fencing.

Johnny Novgorod said:
What about Count Dooku? Chris Lee was like 80 when he fenced off both young Anakin and young Obi Wan. And he faced Yoda like 5 minutes later.
Unless this is supposed to be a Sith perk?
Answered your own question there. Dude was Christopher-Fucking-Lee.

I liked Dooku's fighting style. A minium of flips and shit. Just effortless beating of Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Plus that curved Lightsaber hilt is very underrated.
 

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Trick question: It will actually be the audience after [REDACTED] happens in the movie!

Other than that, it's not going to make me cry and shit...
 

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I think the ultimate biggest shocker is that people are still able to get excited over this movie. I must just be cynical.
 

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Probably. I mean, I tried to be cynical and shit, but lost it seeing and especially hearing those X-wings skimming over the surface of that water.

I less enthused about The Force, but the tech's got me hooked bad.

EDIT: Right, on topic. If anybody, I'm guessing Han. Dunno why, gut feeling. Wedge would've been a good choice, but they didn't get the actor back for the movie.

Still, I really doubt they'd be able to kill a combat pilot who isn't force sensitive and yet still fought in every notable space battle and most of the ground battles, going for one assist and on shared victory over Death Stars. He basically an anagram of everybody on this list: http://www.cracked.com/article_18933_6-wwi-fighter-pilots-whose-balls-deserve-their-own-monument_p2.html
 

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Honestly? I hope he doesn't have the cajones. I like the original cast, I like their characters, and I don't particularly want to see them killed off. I'd especially be irritated if it's some homage to the original, Luke doing the Obi-Wan, because after that, you really have to expect that episode VIII will be the "Into Darkness" of the series, and then it'll be dead to me.

I don't mind if they play it particularly safe, I'm just not built for shocks. I hope Han and Leia make it through, and I hope that Luke gets to restart some form of Jedi Order, even if it is just one or two apprentices. I just want a comfortable nostalgia fest featuring some new talent, but it looks set to be a rehash of the originals (Which, is strictly speaking, what Abrams is good at, making a shitty popcorn version of a classic with everything worth watching stripped out).

But I reckon that I'll be disappointed, and that Luke will be killed off somewhere, and Han or Chewie too, which will be a lovely ending to tack onto their stories from the original trilogy: And then, having resisted the pull of the dark side, discovered the truth about his father, fought in a brutal civil war and helped destroy two genocide machines, and inheriting the powers of a once-dead cult of mystical peacemakers, Luke died like a chump to raise the stakes for another continuation of the status quo.

I mean look at it, it looks like the Empire is alive and well, Han looks to be some form of smuggler still, Jakku is fucking Tattoine, and we've got stand ins for Vader and Palpatine inbound, with callbacks to Vader, and fucking iStormtroopers.
 

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Captain Kirk dies.

"skips merely towards the back stage"
"disappears behind the curtains"
"pops head from behind the curtains"

But in all honesty though, I'm certain that a storm trooper will..

"Gives a smug smile before pulling head back"

sorry~