Poll: The crusades were good!
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This is not true, remember the technically Christiams lost the Crusades, they were completely forced out of the holy land. It was the Mongol invasion that di more to screw the middle east up, they basically destroyed knowledge, learning and civilisation in favour a fields to graze their horses. It was after the Mongols that the Islamic world ceased to be the progressive, educated and civilised place that it was for the early middle ages.blind_dead_mcjones said:
Thousands of people killing thousands of other people about something as stupid as religion?
Yeah, I'm going with BAD on this one...
Yeah, I'm going with BAD on this one...
I have to correct you about something. First of all crusade wars are also called Holy Wars, and the reason they started was ONLY to get control over Jerusalem, as the symbol and the most important place for Christians.erbkaiser said:
It's not true that persecution of Christian pilgrims intensified under Saladin. Saladin was known for his principles of chivalry, and Christian respected him for it. He was disciple of the Qadiri Sufi order, and if you are familiar with the Sufi codex, you'll know what kind of a person he was. Suffice to say that he really was hero for every side during the crusade wars and never harmed or looted innocent people Christians or not (and this is a historical fact, you can read and check).
But they aren't the ones invading, the other guys are...Binerexis said:
Crusaders are a sort of one up internet troll, "We are right and you are wrong, plus we kill anyone who disagrees"
During the 4th Crusade, Venice convinced the raiders to focus on Constantinople, which crushed the Byzantine empire and as a result the Italians gained land and became a powerful economic center.
It is said that when Jerusalem was sacked, blood ran in the streets up to the ankle.
From what I've read, the Crusades were largely unsuccessful. The first of them were the most successful by capturing Jerusalem, but ultimately the forces went back and forth on who occupied the city.
History is powerful stuff. (Right or Wrong) is all based on a personal moral compass, and no one group holds the true morals of all. Religion is all about conflict. There were many different ideas about the nature of Jesus that provoked violence within the Christian church itself. The Crusades were used as a mechanism to bring together the quarreling sides of Christianity to fight a common enemy -- everyone else.
It is said that when Jerusalem was sacked, blood ran in the streets up to the ankle.
From what I've read, the Crusades were largely unsuccessful. The first of them were the most successful by capturing Jerusalem, but ultimately the forces went back and forth on who occupied the city.
History is powerful stuff. (Right or Wrong) is all based on a personal moral compass, and no one group holds the true morals of all. Religion is all about conflict. There were many different ideas about the nature of Jesus that provoked violence within the Christian church itself. The Crusades were used as a mechanism to bring together the quarreling sides of Christianity to fight a common enemy -- everyone else.
It was war for the sake of "god, glory, and gold". Of course it was morally indefensible. But it happened, and it doesn't help to rehash it.
I'm sorry Dave...I just can't do that.KindOfnElf said:
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Yes they were, for Europe.
If it wasn't for The Crusades lots of technological advancements might have never made its way to the west.
Perhaps even The Renaissance might have never come to pass.
More or less this. A lot of people were killed, innocent people. Not to mention all the raping and pillaging and ect. that went on.Binerexis said:
that was more of an excuse for the christian church to capture more land, have more followers, turning christianity into a cult and an empire. the knights were just looking for a punch up, and a trip to heaven.
It all ready came around. You never heard of the Muslim invasions of Western Europe, roughly occuring around the 15th century?KindOfnElf said:Absolutely. Saying crusades were a good thing is justifying slaughter of CITIES of innocent people. When people whine about how Muslims are radical now days I always say what goes around comes around globally. It was Christians vanity that made the world suffer then, just because: (quote of their mindless mottoBinerexis said:GOD WILLS IT!! My opinion: there is NOTHING good about the crusades.
Murder, racism, bigotry, rape and plunder
Invasion, occupation and persecution of a country and it's people
The deaths of thousands of men and women
All because some stupid old man with a sh*tton of gold and the power of the Catholic church decided "dat be MY landz, arabz!"
Invasion, occupation and persecution of a country and it's people
The deaths of thousands of men and women
All because some stupid old man with a sh*tton of gold and the power of the Catholic church decided "dat be MY landz, arabz!"