Poll: The Draft

[IronDuke]

I suppose I wouldnt have much problem serving. I am not a die hard patriot, but any serious threat to my country starts to well up feelings of patriotism that normally lie dormant.

Sure, I dont want to go and fight in a meaningless war, but I am under the assumption that in this day and age in Australia, we have fairly sensible leaders who wouldn't conscript unless there was a decent enough threat to our way of life. From the past they know that conscription for war that isn't completely supported is likely to bring about a bad reaction. But if there are warships on the horizon, I dont think the backlash would be huge, people can see the reason to fight.

And to be honest, I think I might even like a chance to do something meaningful with my life, if that means serving my country then so be it. It's not as if I'll be remembered beyond a few years for being a perfectly mediocre white man living in a middle class suburb working a run of the mill office job-I think that scares me a little, and I think alot of people need some sort of purpose in their life.

 

[N_of_the_dead]

if there's a draft I'll see you guys in Canada, its nothing personal but i can guarantee you I would make a very shitty soldier

 

[Dealin Burgers]

Is it safe to say that if your country was at risk, most people would be willing to put their hand up in it's defence?

 

[gamebrain89]

For religous reasons, (which I won't go into as its been discussed in other threads, and the last thing we need here is another religion thread), I remain politically neutral. In other words, I don't vote, I won't serve in a politcal office, and I will not fight a war on anyside no matter the consequences. So, if there ever is a draft again, (which in all likely hood will never happen) I am headed straight for jail, Yipee!

 

[Ultrajoe]

I would dodge the draft if it was ever brought in, but there is one point i would make.

Do you really want the unwilling fighting for you? In a war they resent for a country that betrayed their trust? Those are not men i would want standing between me and destruction.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Because being shot at, blown up, set on fire and stabbed does not bode well for your chances of passing on your genes. And also- current generations are smart enough to see through bullshit propaganda, and realise that if you go into the infantry, the odds are you won't come out again. And if you do, it certainly won't be in the same shape as you came in, mentally or physically.

Cowardice is a surival trait. Which is why the British army always suffers fewer casualties that=n the American army-instead of using numbers, they use their heads. And if neccesary, material.

 

[hemahemahema]

Why are all men cowards nowaday? Thats what too much wealth gets you, back in the 1930s there was an event called the great depression and it made boys of the roaring 20s into the men who fought in WW2. Man up and stop being self righteous pussies.

If cowardice is a sign of lack of economic depression or wars, I don't see a problem.

I think you have your priorities wrong. Self-righteous pussies do the world a lot less harm than brave warring men, even if the latter is more noble. It is a fact and there is nothing I don't like about this fact

PS: there is no such thing as too much wealth, only too little

 

[vxicepickxv]

I'm not too worried about being drafted, even if it is reinstated.

 

[Balios]

Why are all men cowards nowaday? Thats what too much wealth gets you, back in the 1930s there was an event called the great depression and it made boys of the roaring 20s into the men who fought in WW2. Man up and stop being self righteous pussies.

If cowardice is a sign of lack of economic depression or wars, I don't see a problem.

I think you have your priorities wrong. Self-righteous pussies do the world a lot less harm than brave warring men, even if the latter is more noble. It is a fact and there is nothing I don't like about this fact

PS: there is no such thing as too much wealth, only too little

Thank God we didnt have cowards for founding fathers, or else we would still be speaking British (a corruption of English with lots of saying F**k)

Self righteous people do alot more harm than good. Who else would of stopped Hitler? You would of said "well if he said he was doing the right thing then how can we say hes doing wrong?" Modern realitism is the biggest threat to this great country.

There is too much wealth by the way, just look at Bill Gates or Paris Hilton. (not saying it is a bad thing but just saying its possible to have too much wealth.)

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I'm too old... so I wouldn't cause I couldn't.

 

[hemahemahema]

Self righteous people do alot more harm than good. Who else would of stopped Hitler? You would of said "well if he said he was doing the right thing then how can we say hes doing wrong?" Modern realitism is the biggest threat to this great country.

The problem is, Hitler himself was a brave warring man (received the Iron Cross and no mistake!), and basicly what happened was we needed more brave warring men to cancel him out. So if brave warring men are such a nuisance, why don't we just get rid of them all together?

What I am saying is, if no one got hurt, it's better to have people who prefer peace over war, people who won't join up for no reason other than to prove they are not 'cowards'. Bravery doesn't make a good soldiers - if they feel no fear they get killed in the first five minutes. And proving one's worth doen't make a good motivation for a soldier, since a good soldier should be under no illusion that his job is to destory, and the best s/he can hope for is to undo someone else's wrong in the process.

Obviously, someone like Hitler must be stopped, but more so should we put a stop to the idea that somehow the willingness to participate in war is a positive atrribute. After all, it is ideas like these that Hitler believed in, and they are among the ideas he sold to the German people. He believed that wars cleansed the world, eliminating the weaker races (Jews, Gypsies), whilst the superior races (descendants of the Aryan Race) struggle against each other in glorious battles until one 'Master Race' wins out and dominate the world (which no doubt Hitler believed to be his Nordic and Germanic people). You can not come up with an idea much more manly, nor can you come up with an idea much more wrong.

BTW: Since you mentioned Hitler first, should I quote Godwin's Law?
Ps: I won't, the comparison is sort of understandable. It's just amusing seeing Godwin's law actually working for the first time.

 

[Lt. Sera]

They can draft me, and then send me home again. The military is not too keen on people with one functioning eye, unless the war gets so bad..

*edit, if i was 100% able:

Drafting for homeland defense, fine. Drafted for attack, no. I'm not a believer of heavy armed single country intervention in these times. UN/Nato are there for a reason and should be used to their fullest extent when concerning interventions.

 

[qbert4ever]

Drafted for this war? Fuck no. And if it does come down to a draft, from what I hear all you need to do is stay right where you are when they ask you to step forward and raise your hand to be sworn in. Under the constitution (I think), they can't actually "force" you to fight against your will, and stepping forward is you saying "I'm all yours". If you stay put, they can't make you fight, nor can they throw you in jail because you're not breaking any laws.

Of course, this is only if my teacher is to be believed when he says this is how his brother got out of the last draft.

 

[Balios]

Self righteous people do alot more harm than good. Who else would of stopped Hitler? You would of said "well if he said he was doing the right thing then how can we say hes doing wrong?" Modern realitism is the biggest threat to this great country.

The problem is, Hitler himself was a brave warring man (received the Iron Cross and no mistake!), and basicly what happened was we needed more brave warring men to cancel him out. So if brave warring men are such a nuisance, why don't we just get rid of them all together?

What I am saying is, if no one got hurt, it's better to have people who prefer peace over war, people who won't join up for no reason other than to prove they are not 'cowards'. Bravery doesn't make a good soldiers - if they feel no fear they get killed in the first five minutes. And proving one's worth doen't make a good motivation for a soldier, since a good soldier should be under no illusion that his job is to destory, and the best s/he can hope for is to undo someone else's wrong in the process.

Obviously, someone like Hitler must be stopped, but more so should we put a stop to the idea that somehow the willingness to participate in war is a positive atrribute. After all, it is ideas like these that Hitler believed in, and they are among the ideas he sold to the German people. He believed that wars cleansed the world, eliminating the weaker races (Jews, Gypsies), whilst the superior races (descendants of the Aryan Race) struggle against each other in glorious battles until one 'Master Race' wins out and dominate the world (which no doubt Hitler believed to be his Nordic and Germanic people). You can not come up with an idea much more manly, nor can you come up with an idea much more wrong.

BTW: Since you mentioned Hitler first, should I quote Godwin's Law?
Ps: I won't, the comparison is sort of understandable. It's just amusing seeing Godwin's law actually working for the first time.

First off with the Godwins Law, I could of put any of the unholy atheistic alliance in there (Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hilter, Basically any communist country or a fascist one)

The brave do not charge into battle fearlessly, (they would be called fearless not brave if they did) bravery means "possessing or exhibiting courage or courageous endurance." Its knowing when to stand up for something right.

If it wasnt for a weak europe before WW2 then there wouldnt have been a Hitler, if the Allies marched into the Rheinland like they said they would if it had been militarized. Weak men make wars longer, wars will happen no matter what anyone does. War is a human condition and will never end, its like crime you can outlaw crime but it will still happen. Nothing manly about war, but there is something humane about it.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

There is something humane about war?

Somebody never went to the Fondant school of tactics. Nerve gas, scarpet bombing, random acts of terror, minelaying, aerial minelaying, ambush tactics, flamethrowers, incendiary devices, shrapnel, high-explosives, artillery barrages in cities....nothing is 'humane' about war. If it was 'humane', it wouldn't be war, it'd be paintball. War is the last resort of decent men, and the first resort of tyrants for a reason.

And how to stop Hitler- well, if he hadn't been elected, that would have been a good start.

 

[Amnestic]

If they drafted me to the front lines they can, respectfully, fuck right off. Doesn't matter which war, I'm physically too incapable to be of any use to anyone and I'm fairly sure I'd get myself killed early on. Sorry, I'm off to Canada/Australia.

If they gave me some sort of commanding position...well that's a different matter actually. I might actually do that, if only so I can order...

Nerve gas, scarpet bombing, random acts of terror, minelaying, aerial minelaying, ambush tactics, flamethrowers, incendiary devices, shrapnel, high-explosives, artillery barrages in cities

to keep my troops alive.

 

[stevetastic]

Why are all men cowards nowaday? Thats what too much wealth gets you, back in the 1930s there was an event called the great depression and it made boys of the roaring 20s into the men who fought in WW2. Man up and stop being self righteous pussies.

If cowardice is a sign of lack of economic depression or wars, I don't see a problem.

I think you have your priorities wrong. Self-righteous pussies do the world a lot less harm than brave warring men, even if the latter is more noble. It is a fact and there is nothing I don't like about this fact

PS: there is no such thing as too much wealth, only too little

Thank God we didnt have cowards for founding fathers, or else we would still be speaking British (a corruption of English with lots of saying F**k)

Self righteous people do alot more harm than good. Who else would of stopped Hitler? You would of said "well if he said he was doing the right thing then how can we say hes doing wrong?" Modern realitism is the biggest threat to this great country.

There is too much wealth by the way, just look at Bill Gates or Paris Hilton. (not saying it is a bad thing but just saying its possible to have too much wealth.)

yes but do we have someone as evil as Hitler to attack. no. not a single war fought since World War 2 has been just, especially not one started by The US, if there was a war againts a fascist dictator who wanted to wipe out an entire race, yes i would join the army and fight him.

 

[SteinFaust]

i would serve. i enjoy my country, and i feel it is my duty to defend the freedoms it grants me. though i AM a bit unconfortable fighting against insurgents. they always hide among civilians and i can get in trouble if i kill a few and their allies lie and say my unit killed several civilians. i'd rather fight someone in a uniform.

 

[Drift-Bus]

The Draft is a Democrat thing

This is as retarded a statement as I have ever read one.

What was that? Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a Democrat, was the one who first started the Draft in 1940, as well as the Selective Service System. It was Nixon (Republican) who ended the draft and Ford (another Republican) who ended the Selective Service System. Carter, a Democrat, was the one who reinstated the Selective Service Act in 1980.

Now, it may not be wholly a Democrat thing, but large parts of it certainly are, thus making bigcountry's statement not 'retarded' in the least.

As if Republicans in The Senate and The House did not support it. Come on, be realistic here. The Draft back then got support form both parties, not just Democrats. This is not just a Presidential thing. If Republicans wanted to stop the Draft from happening then they most likely could have, one way or another. So yes, it is retarded.

*snip*A whole bunch of empirical evidence that the draft is a largely Democratic thing

Thank you, bigcountry. I was hoping someone would post who took the time to research everything! If there's one thing I can't stand on the Escapist, it's people (who know who they are) calling other peoples' statements "retarded" without any evidence to back it up. It's good to see my (and your) statements vindicated with that post.

Well you are very welcome. Its really not that hard, especially when you are argueing with somebody, who you know has zero clue about what they are talking about and probably get thier information from the liberal media. It was my pleasure (I've been pwning n00bz on teh internets for years now).




Wow can you believe all the cowards that are out there? I guess my grandparents generation was truely the "greatest generation", I had so much hope for us, but that hope is dwindling.

So, you and everyone else on this thread that have called people pussy's have already enlisted right? Cause otherwise your pretty hypocritical. But you already knew that hey. I bet your posting form the Pakistani border. Or from Iraq.