Poll: The Escapist's MM: A case study?

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Random Argument Man

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It was the same thing last year. This was why I wasn't looking foward to it. It turns people into assholes and it gives us a bad reputation.

It's been two years that I've seen this. I'm wondering if the Escapist should stop it.
 

DarthInfernus

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The thing is, people wouldn't CARE if some new developer off the block came in and stomped everything, as long as it was a legitimate developer that made actual games with depth and interesting gameplay. Zynga just makes boring click fests. They're pissed off not with new users that can actually think (This is good), but with A) Trolls and one-posters, B) Bullshit padding of the contest clearly in favor of said new developer, and C) That great developers like BioWare and Valve who make games with the above good descriptions, (which this site is based around, the improvement and furthering of interesting games, and the discussion thereof) are getting beaten out by a few pixels on a screen of cows and chickens, and a top down version of Grand Theft Auto.

This community WELCOMES new developers, as long as these developers actually hold true to the standards of good game making. Or even show any promise of doing so. And any new users of such a like mind. But the contest, especially this year, fosters the exact opposite of all these ideals. Which is why it should be either HEAVILY revamped, or scrapped altogether.
 

Altorin

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I'm still not sure what MM is. Some kind of contest? Anyway on the subject of the new users I welcome them here as long as they stick to the rules and don't clog up the forums.
I didn't get it last year... stick around a year, pay attention in march, and it'll all make sense next year.

Maybe Tropicana will win with their upcoming SUPER AWESOME JUICAHOLIC flash advertisement.
 

Sleekgiant

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Still being a pretty new member, I find the flood of new people to be well quite annoying. I'm still not sure why people get so wrapped up in this whole developer competition, and the amount of mod wrath people have been receiving, while justified, scares me away from the whole March Mayhem
 

Jroo wuz heer

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I dont get why this is such a problem (whats mar. mayhem?) Im new and idont think Ive done any trolling. Icertainly did not come here becuz of mm
 

fix-the-spade

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This reaction happened last year (and the year before) with Turbine and their use of Launcher spam. It's kind of the point of MM to generate traffic for the Escapist, which the companies using Launcher/Facebook spamming surely do most effectively.

As for the reactions, people take it all too seriously, it reflects badly on us as much as it reflects badly on the many users who roll up, click, scream GO X LOLOLOL and never return.
Although even if a small percentage decide to stick around it represents a lot of new users on Escapist forums, which is a good thing.
 

Extreme Tazer

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No.

I hate the way that people seem to think that we're getting annoyed at the users - we are not terretorial, we're just annoyed, not with the people, but with the developer for ruining what should have been a perfectly fine competition, and also partly with the Escapist, to be honest, for not doing a thing.

That's just me, anyway.
 

thenumberthirteen

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It happens every year, and really gets the community engaged. MM 09 was what really got me into The Escapist community and forums (I only had 100 posts by Feb 09).

Sure there are trolls, but I like it. It attracts new members, and shakes things up a bit. One of these days Valve will win!
 

MimsySnark

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I didn't even pay attention to MM until a couple days ago, because I like Valve, and Blizzard, and wanted to vote for them in round 5. So I did that, and used the twitter voting function. Yes, I think it sucks that Zynga will probably take it all because they're the only developer rallying their users to vote, but honestly I'll just laugh when it's all over. Life is too short to get worked up over a silly little contest that has no real life impact, and is just meant to be a fun activity for us at the escapist. The only thing that bothers me about it right now is the people who keep bad-mouthing the good folks at the escapist--as if they somehow rigged everything to give zynga an unfair advantage! That's absurd.
 

jad4400

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I won't lie, at first I was one of those people who was pissed off at Zynga for winningg this competittion and I got mad. But now as the copetition winds down, I realize that while I'm upset at my developer for losing, it does not justify me lashing out at the people who decided to show support for their developer.

Picture this situation, a web site dedicated to casual gaming and casual gaming newshold a popularity contest similar to march madness, most of the developers make little flash game developers and or game apps for a popular social networking site. However, they decided to include a more mainstream developer that creates games for consoles and P.C (lets pretend that it is your favorite developer). This developer calls upon everyone one of you on the Escapist to go to this site and after taking just a few seconds to make an account, vote for them in the contest. Bear in mind this contest is just for grins and giggles and there is not prize to the winning developer. After winning a couple of brakets, the people in this site become annoyed at you for coming to the site and voting, so they post angrey messages at you and demend you stop voting. They also say that your developer is stupid and you're an idiot for supporting the developer.

Ask yourself this, would you want this kind of reaction when you go to a gaming site?

We have to remember games are just here to entertain us, and angrely figting over games and their developers is almost a contradiction to why we even enjoy games.
 

Fraught

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Well, I've always been the sort of 'good old days' kind of guy, when this forum and its members were more, how do you say, tight-knit, and threads seemed to be more interesting, and so did the replies.

Nowadays, everything has gone more and more...average on this site. Threads, at least by their titles, don't really interest me as much as they used to (though there are a few), and there are so many members that there's really no one to remember in the future because of the mass.

But either way, I don't degrade any new members. I've even seen some who have been here for a while who I'd much rather degrade than a new-comer. It doesn't matter whether they come from Facebook, through Zynga's assistance, or not, rather, it's all about the content.
And by content, I mean that they should try to fit in, not announce that "I came from Facebook, yay!".
I mean, if they wouldn't do that, how would we even know that they came due to MM?

And another thing. The fact that there are literally thousands of members who only come to this site to register and vote on the MM poll, now that's bullshit. New members are nice and all, but just to help win Zynga against all the other amazing developers it's gone against...that's just wrong, and I'm not really fond of the competition, and how the developers advertise this competition.

I always thought of MM as more of a quality-determiner, emphasis on the past form of 'thinking', which is 'thought'. Let Escapists, who've come to this site, out of their love for videogames, have a fun, little competition, vote who's the best game developer. When a company who fishes in gullible non-gamers with primitive games with no real memorable qualities, and attaches itself to one of the most popular social networking places on the 'net, and also advertises their game on the front page before you enter that application, then the competition has firmly changed from 'fun poll', to 'popularity contest', which also infuriates much of the current userbase of this site.

Also, we all already know Zynga will win, and what is the fun in a competition where you already know the outcome? It's pointless. It's cheating, that you can, in a matter of minutes, log in, vote, and then leave the site forever. Is this really what the staff wants?
The moment Zynga won against Square Enix (which was, also, the first competition I voted on), then I thought 'why the hell doesn't voting on this poll require a certain number of posts?'. And not like a lot, even 15 would be nice. Anything but this.

MimsySnark said:
Life is too short to get worked up over a silly little contest that has no real life impact, and is just meant to be a fun activity for us at the escapist.
Ah, but doesn't this sentence contradict what your previous one told us? I'd specifically like to turn attention to the last few words, 'at the Escapist'.

First of all, this activity isn't fun. We know Zynga will win because they advertise it on the site, and that is not fun at all.
And second, 'for us'? 'At the Escapist'? Majority of the 10,000+ voters at Zynga aren't 'on the Escapist'. The phrase, to me, constitutes a willingness to stay. A wanting to join the community, and participate in its activities. Voting on one poll, and then leaving, isn't really that. It's more like visiting someone's home, and then pissing on their porch briefly before leaving (where the inhabitants of the home are us, members of the Escapist, the porch is this poll, and the pissing is symbolized the fact that many users are against Zynga/the advertising/that they're winning so easily, and the leaving is...well, leaving).
 

Zombie_Fish

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Please note that this is all coming from a regular user who joined last year for the sake of voting in March Mayhem. Not to vote for anyone specifically, just to vote in the tournament and have a good time.

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System Message said:
Between midnight last night to 7:30AM this morning, Gamespot suddenly went from behind by 100 votes to up by 796 votes. Do you really want Gamespot to be known as the People's Voice?

We need to strike back! Today is the last day of voting, so please cast a vote!

Vote for The Escapist here! [http://pv.webbyawards.com/]
These were two messages sent to me via PM in late April last year, asking us to vote for The Escapist in the People Choice (or 'Webby') Awards 2009, an actual award with a proper award ceremony [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tCYl6rErQk] and trophy for the seperate cateogories. Without contacting the community to make them vote for themselves, the award for Best Game-related Website would've gone to Gamespot, who ended up second in the awards, if I'm right. The staff even offered a badge to everyone who had signed up at that point if they won the award; if you look through the badge list of anyone [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/badges/Zombie_Fish] who signed up before the 5[sup]th[/sup] of May 2009, they will have the badge Webby Badge somewhere in their collection.

The Escapist did something similar with the Open Web Awards 2009 in November, where they made and stickied a news announcement [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96579-Mashable-Awards-Closing-Soon-Help-Support-The-Escapist] in The News Room on the topic asking people to vote for them 'every day' to help them win the award.

I find it a bit ironic to complain about Zynga 'rallying the troops' for a fun and not overly serious tournament hosted by The Escapist when The Escapist itself did the same thing for proper award ceremonies.

Fraught said:
The problem with this point is that March Mayhem always has been a popularity contest; the staff acknowledge that as being true, which is why they allow anyone to vote. Thinking that it could be anything other than a popularity contest, especially a sign of quality is argumentum ad populum [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum]. This tournament isn't meant to be taken seriously, so don't treat it as if it should be. Sounds like a simple enough rule to follow.

Even restricting it to regulars on this site/ people who joined a month earler/ people who have more than 200 posts could be argued as being flawed as it is still open for abuse by user who just happened to join a moth earler. And even if that isn't the case, it would be like restricting who could vote in the Brit Awards (a British music award ceremony which allows anyone to vote) to people who buy music at HMV (a very popular music/ electronics and digital media store). Just because we fit the target audience doesn't make us experts in the field. It could still be argued that we don't have enough experience in the gaming industry to make this tournament valid for anything beyond a popularity contest, it's just that the sample you're basing this on is a bunch of people who visit one site regularly.

DarthInfernus said:
B) Bullshit padding of the contest clearly in favor of said new developer...
If you're talking about the Twitter second vote thing, it really isn't in favour of Zynga. Plenty of Escapists [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/twitter] use Twitter anyway, only 1.8% of voters up until now actually made valid second votes and a quick search of Twitter for Escapist March Mayhem [http://twitter.com/#search?q=Escapist%20March%20Mayhem] sees plenty of people voting foor Valve, but none for Zynga (EDIT: They're getting a few second votes now, but Zynga had to post announcements on Twitter reminding people that they can vote this way, and it is still a minority in comparison with the amount Valve are getting via the same means. That's the only way that they've gotten votes via Twitter, it really isn't helping them). If it is 'clearly' in favour of Zynga, it really isn't very clear to me.

EDIT: And if you're referring to Facebook votes, that immediately assumes that The Escapist predicted Zynga getting into the final. I doubt if the staff was predicting this turnout any more than we were.
 

SharPhoe

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SharPhoe said:
Frankly, I have this to say about it: I'm very disappointed in a lot of members of this community for acting the way they are. Yes, there are people who will join this site, vote once, and never be heard from again, but not every newcomer around he time of MM shouldn't be lumped into this category. It's that behavior that makes people want to leave more than anything, making it seem as though we're all incredibly inhospitable towards new members and, like you said, very territorial about whats "ours".
Im sorry, you condemn the notion of "our site" with the piety of "im disappointed in a lot of members of the community"? I cant begin to describe how contradictory and just blatantly pompous that statement is.

OP: Of cousre not, too many un named variables for a case study etc etc.

People dont seem to realize how its just marketing. This site is, more or less, a focus group. Arguing about that is so very vacuous.
How is that pompous? All I'm saying is that I would prefer if the needless mudslinging stopped. I have absolutely no intention or even desire to sound like I'm superior.
 

dietpeachsnapple

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Alas, there is not an option on the poll that suits my voting needs.

As a scientist I would criticize the entire survey system for lack of representativeness, external validity, and accounting of confounding effects.

I am somewhat disappointing to hear that there has been distress in the escapist while I have been away (busy and whatnot), mush less that it is over a running poll.

I am saddened to know that new users may have been slighted unjustly while they were viewed as just another 'recruit' from whatever source.

While the escapist has the right and obligation to bolster membership logs by advertising themselves, I will miss the age that it was a community grown largely from word of mouth.