Poll: The Latest AC controversy

[Lunar Templar]

Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.

there is great wisdom in this posters words.
sides, its an asscreed game, making it about the revolutionary war isn't going to make me care anymore then i did before (sides, the brits where being dicks )

 

[Malty Milk Whistle]

It's not so much that I dislike the British being painted in bad light, more like I dislike just how 'America fuck yeah!' the trailers have been so far.

Those were my exact words on this subject.

I'm watching you closely Daystar.
Very closely.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The Nazi party were not the first to design a working jet engine, the allys had the idea long before the Nazi's but did not think it was an idea worth persuing until their enemy started developing their own.

Huh. So everything I've learned in history is wrong.
My contempt for the education system continues to grow.

*sigh*
I'm not allowed to be right about fucking anything it seems.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.

Some issues need to be addressed.

And according to the escapist those "issues" are in every other game that comes out. I'm sorry, Ubisoft said that you would be killing people on both sides of the conflict and, if you don't trust them then we have bigger things to worry about. Also what is addressing it going to even do. "I'm offended by this so I'll complain about it on the internet, that'll show them" not going to solve anything. People are trying so hard to get video games taken seriously that they forget that sometimes people (like me) just want to sit down and play a game without having to deal with a metric shitload of drama. The Assassin's creed series has always included betrayal and killing people that you thought were on your side, I fail to see the reason they would stop here. The worst case scenario I see here is that advertisements are pandering to my country on account of us being bigger than most countries and therefore having more potential customers. Hell, these advertisements were on the fourth of July, who in their right minds makes a fourth of july ad where they make the Americans look morally ambiguous? Ubisoft is French, do you honestly believe that they honestly are going to make a game centered around "America fuck yeah"?

P.S. In a section in Assassin's creed brotherhood, you slaughter a bunch of French soldiers, how come no one had a problem with that?

All I was saying is that these issues must be discussed. And its not just complaining on the internet people have taken these complaint's to Ubisoft. The thing that irritates me is just that it seems so one sided, something that despite what some people say, Assassins creed has never been about. While I will give you that Ezio did kill some french soldiers who were just dicks and there weren't any good ones, there were only a few and that was one villain character's private force, not the whole french army. This game makes the whole British army look evil, or at least the marketing. But I understand if you just want to play games, all I'm saying is that some discussion must be had about a controversial subject. Some people are just bitching yes, but others have something intelligent to say.

I guess you have a good point, but in my opinion there are still bigger things to get worked up over in video games. Like I said this recent string of advertising is just pandering to the American audience, in the earlier stuff you see evidence to suggest that Conrad isn't exactly all in favor of the Americans, saying things like "They claim to fight for liberty, but for who?" and "Let the patriots fight their own battles, I'm here for the Templars" and one of those was actually from the game. I'm telling you, this is just pandering to reel in more American customers. I am willing to bet that by the end of the game you will stab one of the founding fathers in the throat...probably washington. He gives some funny looks in the E3 trailer.

I do agree that this is probably just pandering to Americans. I should have said before, but I do think this is all to stop Fox News and other idiot shite from saying "Assassins Creed has you murder the founding fathers and destroy freedom" along with some weird anti Obama message.

 

[Kyrian007]

For those of you (like myself that agreed with this sentiment...

Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.

I remember an idea I had during the Jack Thompson GTA:SA "murder simulator" controversy. We should kickstarter up a dev company who timed releases of games with other AAA titles with the specific purpose of OUT-controversy-ing the game we all REALLY want. Example: just before the release of GTA:SA, release an ACTUAL murder simulator. A sandbox populated by a myriad of NPC's. The player selects his target. Toys with them (bumping into them, calling then hanging up, sending cryptic letters and messages, whatever.) And then the break-in and murder (or kidnapping and pit-basement-"lotion on its skin" torture... then murder.) Then the post-murder toying with investigators while selecting a new target. Points would be given for creating a steady "theme" with the murders, resources spent by law enforcement finding you, panic among the populace, media coverage, and so on.

Good god, I just had the thought "I kind of want to play that game..." Perhaps there's something wrong with me? D'oh well.

See, with that game on shelves no one would have picked on GTA. Now for AC3... just have to OUT-"fuck yeah" the AC3 trailers and problem solved.

 

[Shadow flame master]

I don't see why people are all complaining about this so much. If anything, George Washington looks to be a bad guy/shady figure, so we could possibly have to fight him because, as some on the first page said, he apparently has a piece of eden. Not to mention that it looks like Washington is only using Connor to boost morale in his troops. And we all know what happens when you have no use for pawns after war.

 

[throwmeawaykid]

I don't really care. Bets the limitless bias against Middle-Eastern people and Russians that plagues AAA games today.

 

[sagitel]

why should ubisoft care? for them its like: lets throw a bunch of tea-drinking barbaric buck-toothed inbred bastards for the player to slaughter.
they show the trailer so more people would want to buy the game. and yes there a HUGE amount of people not caring about: ooohhh! that British guy is bad. this racism. this is controversy!
they buy for the game to go in and kill and ubisoft makes money from them. so this whole idea of" america fuck yeah!" in the trailer which was released on the fourth of july clearly shows that money making goal.

 

[Da Orky Man]

The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.

I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...

 

[sagitel]

why should ubisoft care? for them its like: lets throw a bunch of tea-drinking barbaric buck-toothed inbred bastards for the player to slaughter.
they show the trailer so more people would want to buy the game. and yes there a HUGE amount of people not caring about: ooohhh! that British guy is bad. this racism. this is controversy!
they buy for the game to go in and kill and ubisoft makes money from them. so this whole idea of" america fuck yeah!" in the trailer which was released on the fourth of july clearly shows that money making goal.

I remember an idea I had during the Jack Thompson GTA:SA "murder simulator" controversy. We should kickstarter up a dev company who timed releases of games with other AAA titles with the specific purpose of OUT-controversy-ing the game we all REALLY want. Example: just before the release of GTA:SA, release an ACTUAL murder simulator. A sandbox populated by a myriad of NPC's. The player selects his target. Toys with them (bumping into them, calling then hanging up, sending cryptic letters and messages, whatever.) And then the break-in and murder (or kidnapping and pit-basement-"lotion on its skin" torture... then murder.) Then the post-murder toying with investigators while selecting a new target. Points would be given for creating a steady "theme" with the murders, resources spent by law enforcement finding you, panic among the populace, media coverage, and so on.

Good god, I just had the thought "I kind of want to play that game..." Perhaps there's something wrong with me? D'oh well.

See, with that game on shelves no one would have picked on GTA. Now for AC3... just have to OUT-"fuck yeah" the AC3 trailers and problem solved.

good gosh thats the best gaming idea i have ever heard! i want this!

 

[rbstewart7263]

Whats the problem the brits were the baddies that time?? I live in the south I was the bad guy then 100% inspite of what confederate apologists would like to think.


Sometimes your the bad guy sometimes your the good guy. tough titty.

 

[Lethos]

The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.

I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...

Not to mention the founders of principles that America would eventually fight for. John Locke yadayada.

ITT: A lot of people need to educate themselves on the British education system. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, we're not taught that the empire was great.

 

[Da Orky Man]

The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.

I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...

Not to mention the founders of principles that America would eventually fight for. John Locke yadayada.

ITT: A lot of people need to educate themselves on the British education system. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, we're not taught that the empire was great.

Hell, we're taought next to nothing about the empire. I mean, a bit of it came in while doing the First World War, but we went through a full module of Industrial Revolution with nary a word.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

It's fine for the game to be biased, but when it goes for such a cheap bias as making the Redcoats bad and the Colonials good then it's pretty shitty. It'd be like if they made it a crusade against Islam in the first one because the target demographic was white Americans.

If they go for that bias then I'm far more likely to believe that they did it solely because they were too scared to break the status quo.

 

[DJjaffacake]

Can you imagine a world where the US just decided to withdrawal from any involvement outside its borders? It would be special. I'll leave you all to ponder that.

They did that once before. We got the Great Depression and (arguably) WWII. Yeeeaaaahh...

 

[waj9876]

A sandbox populated by a myriad of NPC's. The player selects his target. Toys with them (bumping into them, calling then hanging up, sending cryptic letters and messages, whatever.) And then the break-in and murder (or kidnapping and pit-basement-"lotion on its skin" torture... then murder.) Then the post-murder toying with investigators while selecting a new target. Points would be given for creating a steady "theme" with the murders, resources spent by law enforcement finding you, panic among the populace, media coverage, and so on.

Good god, I just had the thought "I kind of want to play that game..." Perhaps there's something wrong with me?

Not at all. This sounds fucking awesome.

 

[SidheKnight]

Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.

A-MEN!

I'm not american (neither british) but it would make sense to me that the Templars are pro-British and the Assasins pro-revolution if the Templars are controlling the British crown, in which case they would lose part of their empire with the independence of the USA.

But I don't know if that's the case. It would make sense though, since the Templars have been controlling great western powers like the Papacy in previous games.

 

[rbstewart7263]

Ok I have a serious honest to god question that id like to ask. This is neither sarcasm or feined(sp?) ignorance. I actually dont know the answer to this question if there is one.


So the implication here is that the revolutionary war is not black and white. not nearly so as the civil war was that i mentioned in an earlier post. I mentioned that we were clearly the bad guys in spite of what confederate apologists think.

The same goes with nazi germany I imagine the american/british/russian hail marys that ensue with every ww2 depiction might indeed get old but itd be nigh impossible to argue that it happened any other way.

So i myself have little education on the revolutionary war aside from this otherwise black and white understanding.

So how and in what ways would you say that the revolutionary war was in fact grey? I would argue that if it wasnt so grey than the rise trailer is justified.

how can in any light the brits possibly be the good guys and the americans bad? or the morality of the whole thing be grey and unclear?

again totally real question. looking forward to some sharp responses.

editf note it was not just the americans but the french,the netherlands, and spain on the side of the colonies.

 

[dfphetteplace]

The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.

I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...

Not even a little. I'm not saying other people are innocent at all, but I have no sympathy for an empire that paved their way with the blood of indigenous people.

Cappa: Trust me.