Poll: The Raping Game (Rapelay)

[freat]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

Horrible is subjective

You may find it horrible, other people don't. I betcha there are some things you like that other people find horrible.

Wait WHAT? Raping people, stalking children IS horrible by all possible definitions. There is no way around it, and nobody with anything comparable to moral would say anything different. Maybe he has some kink that a lot of people find disgusting, yes, but if it's not extremely unethical it's not comparable to this.

No offense mate but your logic just doesn't make any sense to me

I think you have been misinformed, there are no children in this game, unless you count 17 a child (not quite an adult but certainly not a child). and there isn't anything to do with stalking in this game, it's an opening cut scene then just choose girl>choose location>have sex

From the OP: "stalker/rapist/pedophile of a family which consists of a mother and her 2 daughter"

Also, thanks for doing me the honor of giving me your second comment on this site.

The OP probably saw the Wikipedia article and started assuming things. But I bet you didn't think he could be bias now did you?
Now are you going to trust his word, or my word?
And considering I have played this game I think it should be obvious

and no problem

The wikipedia article refers to sources. Are you saying that these sources are inaccurate or what?

And how you can defend the content of this game is beyond.

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

I didn't asked whether it makes a difference. I asked WHY it makes a difference, because in my eyes, it really doesn't. I don't care what culture Japan has, wrong is wrong.

>wrong is wrong
>"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"

I can't be bothered to quote but for the person asking about a murder sim;
Murder is worse than rape
Rapelay is't a rape simulator it's a shitty H game meant for the enjoy meant of a few people
The name was probably tacked on to make controversy
Oh look what has it done

You will take intentional agreements regarding laws, given morals, and implement them or face the consequences.

Also:
Raping someone is often almost as terrible. The victim is often traumatized and develops post traumatic stress, have to endure a life of constant psychological torture. That we can even discuss this topic (even though it's fictional) only proves how absolutely permeated with subhuman moral our society has become. Or always has been.

I say this, at least show some goddamn decency, people.

So they aren't allowed to make a game because you say so?
Freedom of speach?
Hippocratic much?

Raped?

You can see your loved ones
You continue with your life
You can have therapy if you have issues and PTSD
you're alive

Murdered?
Nothing
When your dead its your loved ones that suffer
You won't be able to do anything
No life
No chance to get over it
You're dead

How do you not see this?

 

[freat]

It does make a difference because on their culture, rape is perceived differently. Saying it's wrong this being depicted on a game is nothing but your moral opinion and does not reflect that of society as a whole.

You honestly don't think that society as a whole wouldn't have the same moral opinion about this game?

Yeah, I think most people in society would agree with me on this one.

In your culture yes
How do you not get this?
Are you retarded?

 

[Mallefunction]

XD I'm a woman and I say keep it legal. Why? Because it's a fetish game, just like any other sexual roleplay that already exists. Let's face it, rape is a fetish for a lot of people. I'd rather those who entertain those thoughts to have an outlet rather than go crazy and ACTUALLY rape someone. As long as we aren't giving kids access, what is the harm?

I'm stupidly free speech and voted for this to be legal in the poll.

But, at the same time I'm torn. I honestly believe that "living out" a rape fantasy wouldn't cause someone to be less likely to do it in real life. I'm no psychology nut or anything, but generally serial killers find it easier and easier to kill after their first murder.

I'm afraid this might be easing them into it *squick.

But that's like saying that ANYONE who plays a shooter will want to go and actually kill someone. I'm pretty sure most of us have played them before and I doubt all gamers are mass murderers.

 

[Luisen123]

You honestly don't think that society as a whole wouldn't have the same moral opinion about this game?

Yeah, I think most people in society would agree with me on this one.

My idea here is towards the game, you're naive if you think that nobody has a rape fantasy, even women themselves have rape fantasies, this is where the game stands, it's nothing but a fantasy, it's a game made for people with rape fantasies.

Never did I imply that rape wasn't morally wrong but a rape fantasy is not morally wrong. If I want to play a game where I can fulfill my rape fantasy, I have the right to do so, the government is not there to decide what's it's right or wrong for me, that's for each person to decide and this is what I meant when I said your moral opinion doesn't reflect that of the society.

 

[CarlMin]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

Horrible is subjective

You may find it horrible, other people don't. I betcha there are some things you like that other people find horrible.

Wait WHAT? Raping people, stalking children IS horrible by all possible definitions. There is no way around it, and nobody with anything comparable to moral would say anything different. Maybe he has some kink that a lot of people find disgusting, yes, but if it's not extremely unethical it's not comparable to this.

No offense mate but your logic just doesn't make any sense to me

I think you have been misinformed, there are no children in this game, unless you count 17 a child (not quite an adult but certainly not a child). and there isn't anything to do with stalking in this game, it's an opening cut scene then just choose girl>choose location>have sex

From the OP: "stalker/rapist/pedophile of a family which consists of a mother and her 2 daughter"

Also, thanks for doing me the honor of giving me your second comment on this site.

The OP probably saw the Wikipedia article and started assuming things. But I bet you didn't think he could be bias now did you?
Now are you going to trust his word, or my word?
And considering I have played this game I think it should be obvious

and no problem

The wikipedia article refers to sources. Are you saying that these sources are inaccurate or what?

And how you can defend the content of this game is beyond.

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

I didn't asked whether it makes a difference. I asked WHY it makes a difference, because in my eyes, it really doesn't. I don't care what culture Japan has, wrong is wrong.

>wrong is wrong
>"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"

I can't be bothered to quote but for the person asking about a murder sim;
Murder is worse than rape
Rapelay is't a rape simulator it's a shitty H game meant for the enjoy meant of a few people
The name was probably tacked on to make controversy
Oh look what has it done

You will take intentional agreements regarding laws, given morals, and implement them or face the consequences.

Also:
Raping someone is often almost as terrible. The victim is often traumatized and develops post traumatic stress, have to endure a life of constant psychological torture. That we can even discuss this topic (even though it's fictional) only proves how absolutely permeated with subhuman moral our society has become. Or always has been.

I say this, at least show some goddamn decency, people.

So they aren't allowed to make a game because you say so?
Freedom of speach?
Hippocratic much?

Raped?

You can see your loved ones
You continue with your life
You can have therapy if you have issues and PTSD
you're alive

Murdered?
Nothing
When your dead its your loved ones that suffer
You won't be able to do anything
No life
No chance to get over it
You're dead

How do you not see this?

Hippocrite? Do you meant hypocrite?

What I said was that raping someone is almost as bad as murder because you put your victim through a lifetime of mental and psychological suffering, rather than just ending his or her life.

It does make a difference because on their culture, rape is perceived differently. Saying it's wrong this being depicted on a game is nothing but your moral opinion and does not reflect that of society as a whole.

You honestly don't think that society as a whole wouldn't have the same moral opinion about this game?

Yeah, I think most people in society would agree with me on this one.

In your culture yes
How do you not get this?
Are you retarded?

That's irrelevant to that persons argument. Western society, which he referred to, frown upon this game.

You honestly don't think that society as a whole wouldn't have the same moral opinion about this game?

Yeah, I think most people in society would agree with me on this one.

My idea here is towards the game, you're naive if you think that nobody has a rape fantasy, even women themselves have rape fantasies, this is where the game stands, it's nothing but a fantasy, it's a game made for people with rape fantasies.

Never did I imply that rape wasn't morally wrong but a rape fantasy is not morally wrong. If I want to play a game where I can fulfill my rape fantasy, I have the right to do so, the government is not there to decide what's it's right or wrong for me, that's for each person to decide and this is what I meant when I said your moral opinion doesn't reflect that of the society.

Again, I'm speaking of principles. And rape is wrong, fictional or not, of moral principles. Now if we are to have a more pragmatic perspective, there is nothing wrong with fantasies. It's nothing you can't help even though it can lead you to antisocial behavior. But actually making a game about it, and marketing it, that's wrong. It might even help the concept be socially accepted, which in turn will have cultural consequences.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Free speech is one thing but bloody hell this is surely over the line.

A line that's purely subjective. Free speech protects unpopular speech. You don't need free speech for things that don't cross "the line".

Like how violent video games dont let you kill children.

A few do. I think. Although there are movies where children are killed and nobody cares.

There's a difference between burning books and disallowing something abhorrent within your community (in this case a country)

There is very little difference at all. You burn books because you don't want those books in your community.

I love how you convientiently ignored the rest of my post which went on to explain it isn't like 'burning books' becuase it still would be in existence it would just be disallowed within the community.

Yeah same with those books you're burning.

that means that the books will be wiped from all human memory, it's not it still exists in Japan. So it's not like burning books.

It is. Those books will still exist outside of Germany or wherever it is you're burning.

Why shouldnt people have the freedom to decide what they allow into thier community?

Because you're trampling on other people's freedom.

Also having Rapeplay around really doesn't effect you in any way.

It effects me if some guy decides to come and rape me as a result of it? No? Thta won't necessarily happen but I think murder and rape are two seperate psychologies and we should be extremely careful about this kind of interactive medium.

The current Extra Credits talks about the role of the player in games and how it's different from that in books and film.

Perhaps it would be better to test this game before we decide to see if it has a dangerous effect or not.

 

[Luisen123]

Well you're right, I rather stop living than to suffer from a media-factored effect of rape.

You probably think all rape cases are done by strangers on a lonely alley.

 

[CarlMin]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

I have to agree with that. The notion that all sorts of violent, demeaning and illegal porn could be protected under freedom of speech seems rather stupid to me.

You like what you did there? Giving your opinion? Well your comment just bent that ammendment over a barrel, pal. Censorship is EVIL! and don't try and poke a hole in my comment about beeping out words or blurring an object. As long as it doesn't impede on anothers rights, it A-O.K, and since these are animated people, they have no rights(reading that back sounds twisted for some reason, lol)

The concept of censorship is evil but raping children isn't? Anyway, you are being too pragmatical about it. It's a question of principles, and my moral compass just says - no way. I'm a tolerant person but there's a limit to what Im ready to accept, and this is way beyond that limit.

Moral compass?

There is nothing immoral about making or playing this game.

Now arresting people for doing those things. That's immoral.

The content is immoral. It appeal to people most diagnostic criteria would probably define as antisocially disordered. And it's marketed like entertainment. That, sir, is immoral. And I doubt you will find much people that would tell you otherwise.

Yeah, you might have a few friends that share your skewed philosophy or have rape fantasies of their own, but I think that any adult, mature or educated person will give you the same answer I did.

 

[Luisen123]

It effects me if some guy decides to come and rape me as a result of it? No? Thta won't necessarily happen but I think murder and rape are two seperate psychologies and we should be extremely careful about this kind of interactive medium.

The current Extra Credits talks about the role of the player in games and how it's different from that in books and film.

Perhaps it would be better to test this game before we decide to see if it has a dangerous effect or not.

Unless you live in Japan, there is no chance this game will have an effect on your life.

And it's interesting that you mention the second part, as it has already been stated, I've played the game, it's not even rape.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

BS. Sandbox games letting you murder random civilians for fun has become the norm.

From my own experience, rape is worse than violence.

There is no proof that this obvious piece of fiction will cause rape and since you're the one who wants it banned you should prove it causes rape.

Anyone can claim something may cause crime.

I'm not qualified to do that, my degrees are in IT and History not psychology. I'm sure it would be an interesting project for someone though.

 

[Luisen123]

Again, I'm speaking of principles. And rape is wrong, fictional or not, of moral principles. Now if we are to have a more pragmatic perspective, there is nothing wrong with fantasies. It's nothing you can't help even though it can lead you to antisocial behavior. But actually making a game about it, and marketing it, that's wrong. It might even help the concept be socially accepted, which in turn will have cultural consequences.

Let's assume you're correct and it's all morally wrong, correct? So what of it? The game won't make it acceptable, it probably sold less than 10,000 copies because it's a niche game and a porn game at that? Do you seriously believe that could have such an impact on society?

And like I said, this is about it being banned, and as a citizen of a modern democracy, I have the right to decide not the government, regardless of the moral content of the product.

 

[Luisen123]

From experience, rape is worse than violence.

Would you rather have 1,000 men beaten to near death than one woman getting raped?

Stop being all victimised, any crime where any human is affected is equally wrong.

 

[CarlMin]

THIS GAME, however, is meant for players that derive pleasure from the idea of someone being raped and violated. I don't know what kind of closet psychopaths would get sexually aroused y the idea of humiliating and dominating someone like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadomasochism

It's not psychopath behavior

THIS GAME, however, is meant for players that derive pleasure from the idea of someone being raped and violated. I don't know what kind of closet psychopaths would get sexually aroused y the idea of humiliating and dominating someone like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadomasochism

It's not psychopath behavior

Psychopath is not diagnostic criteria anymore. Psychopathic behavior is layman term used to describe people that show little to no empathy. Currently, neither psychopathy nor sociopathy are valid diagnoses described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,[2] and the ICD-10 of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a diagnostic disorder.

However, antisocial personality disorder is a real condition which is very fucking often a diagnose given to sexual criminals and people with similar sadistic tendencies. There's a link according to the psychological community.

I was speaking of only sadism. Not sadomasochism. Either you don't know the difference or you just created a straw-man argument.

I'm going to quote clinical psychologist Hedwig Eisenbarth, researcher in Sexual Sadism and Psychopathy at the University of Regensburg:

"Sexual Sadism, according to DSM-IV is a disorder that belongs to the paraphilias. That is, it is a disorder that is based on deviant sexual interest, in this case the sexual interest in seeing, hearing or making others suffer from physical and / or psychic pain or from humiliation. It is to be distinguished from Sadism as a personality trait and from Sadomasochism, which combines Sadism and Masochism."

 

[CarlMin]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

I have to agree with that. The notion that all sorts of violent, demeaning and illegal porn could be protected under freedom of speech seems rather stupid to me.

You like what you did there? Giving your opinion? Well your comment just bent that ammendment over a barrel, pal. Censorship is EVIL! and don't try and poke a hole in my comment about beeping out words or blurring an object. As long as it doesn't impede on anothers rights, it A-O.K, and since these are animated people, they have no rights(reading that back sounds twisted for some reason, lol)

The concept of censorship is evil but raping children isn't? Anyway, you are being too pragmatical about it. It's a question of principles, and my moral compass just says - no way. I'm a tolerant person but there's a limit to what Im ready to accept, and this is way beyond that limit.

Moral compass?

There is nothing immoral about making or playing this game.

Now arresting people for doing those things. That's immoral.

The content is immoral. It appeal to people most diagnostic criteria would probably define as antisocially disordered. And it's marketed like entertainment. That, sir, is immoral.

How? Some people would find this entertaining so it's marketed (probably only to them) as entertainment. Where's the immorality?

And I doubt you will find much people that would tell you otherwise.

Yeah, you might have a few friends that share your skewed philosophy or have rape fantasies of their own, but I think that any adult, mature or educated person will give you the same answer I did.

Keep telling yourself that. There is nothing immoral inherent in raping/murdering/robbing fictional characters.

Fictional characters? Now you are confusing morals with ethics. It's not unethical because it doesn't directly harm anyone (even though many psychologists think that it might encourage antisocial behavior), but it can still be considered immoral.